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« on: November 28, 2011, 07:56:17 PM »

What do you think the voters should take into consideration?  Also, what if a voter leaves one of the top players off his ballot, should it be thrown out?  Should they have to justify their vote?
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 08:18:34 PM »

Without going to the Heisman site and digging out their definition, I think the player that contributes the most to his teams success should be a candidate. But first you must have TEAM success. His conduct and character on and OFF the field should be a large factor.

Leaving TR off a AL ballot in order to make a voter's ballot count more is wrong. We are talking about 15-20 years of hard work with these kids, not some voter's disappointment that the Pac12 or Big10 isn't in the running for a NC again.

The vote are made public but they should be made MORE public than they are. As it is, you must do some digging to see how people voted.

Bama gives some extra attention to the Heisman and with HTWMI and MFBATR they gave some extra PR. But nothing like I've seen other schools do for their candidates. I've seen campaigns, sometimes going back to last years bowls, hyping their player.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 08:21:42 PM »

What do you think the voters should take into consideration?  Also, what if a voter leaves one of the top players off his ballot, should it be thrown out?  Should they have to justify their vote?

I think they should go by the poll we've been voting on every day.  Cheesy

Actually, I think the major consideration should be what the player has done for his team. I think Luck is a very talented QB and may well be a #1 pick in the draft. But Heisman-wise, he plays in the conference with the worst defensive teams. Same situation with RGIII, poor defensive teams in the big 12. I actually would put Montee Ball ahead of those two because the Big 10 plays better "D" than those 2 conferences. Then there's Trent, taking Bama to the BCSNCG and is an  incredible talent playing against the best defensive conference in the country. Also, as much as I don't like the guy personnally, I would have given Tyrann Mathieu a great deal of consideration for what he's done for LSU had it not been for his drug suspension.

As for someone being left off of a voter's ballot, I would say keep it if he is an authentic voter for the Heisman. JMHO.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 08:41:15 PM »

The first think I look at is how good is the competition that this player is playing against. It's a big difference in a players results when that player is looking at a top ranked defense everyweek.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 08:56:10 PM »

Should they change who gets to vote?
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 09:01:06 PM »

Should they change who gets to vote?

I think if a voter shows obvious constant bias, that voter should be replaced, as long as the rules committee makes it policy.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 09:08:16 PM »

I think all of you have hit the nail on the head.

Performance, Character, Opponents (Defensive Strength), and Contribution to the team.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 09:18:32 PM »

The only thing I would add is that I think professional athletes, icons, and entertainers should be disqualified.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 09:23:38 PM »

The only thing I would add is that I think professional athletes, icons, and entertainers should be disqualified.
I always thought giving former winners (HTWMI) a vote was a nice touch.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2011, 09:28:36 PM »

We (Bama Alumni Assc) had a roast for Mel Allen in the Downtown Athletic Club. IDK if winning the Heisman includes a lifelong membership, sorta like the green jacket, but it would be a real nice bonus.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 09:31:07 PM »

Should they change who gets to vote?

I think if a voter shows obvious constant bias, that voter should be replaced, as long as the rules committee makes it policy.

This bias is what screws everything up. Gary Danielson touched on this very thing at the end of the Bama/Auburn game Saturday. When there is a clear choice of two players that has distanced themselves from the others say, Richardson and Luck and someone would vote Richardson first and Luck dead last, that is wrong. All of the ballots should be checked and those that do this sort of thing should never be allowed to vote again. Maybe they should vote for just one player rather than all of them.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2011, 09:34:16 PM »

Should they change who gets to vote?

I think if a voter shows obvious constant bias, that voter should be replaced, as long as the rules committee makes it policy.

This bias is what screws everything up. Gary Danielson touched on this very thing at the end of the Bama/Auburn game Saturday. When there is a clear choice of two players that has distanced themselves from the others say, Richardson and Luck and someone would vote Richardson first and Luck dead last, that is wrong. All of the ballots should be checked and those that do this sort of thing should never be allowed to vote again. Maybe they should vote for just one player rather than all of them.

J, did you peek at my ballot?  Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2011, 09:38:20 PM »

I'm with Jamos , we all know that there are people voting  that shouldn't be .
just need to see how bad it shows and cull the non-keepers .
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2011, 09:40:48 PM »

Should they change who gets to vote?

I think if a voter shows obvious constant bias, that voter should be replaced, as long as the rules committee makes it policy.

This bias is what screws everything up. Gary Danielson touched on this very thing at the end of the Bama/Auburn game Saturday. When there is a clear choice of two players that has distanced themselves from the others say, Richardson and Luck and someone would vote Richardson first and Luck dead last, that is wrong. All of the ballots should be checked and those that do this sort of thing should never be allowed to vote again. Maybe they should vote for just one player rather than all of them.

J, did you peek at my ballot?  Cheesy

Nope, should I though?    Laughing
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2011, 09:56:32 PM »

For Heisman voting purposes, the nation is divided into six regions—each of which get 145 votes. Put another way, each region gets exactly 16.67 percent of the votes. However, each region does not constitute an even one-sixth of the population. Three regions (Far West, Midwest, and Mid-Atlantic) have larger populations than that – and three have less (Northeast, South, and Southwest). In fact, the Far West has the greatest population at 21.1% of the country and the Northeast has the least – 11.9%. (WIKIPEDIA)

One quick mention--the Heisman is an award given by the Downtown Athletic Club, a private social club. Nothing to do with the NCAA. I imagine their members can vote to change anything, at any time.   
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