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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2011, 10:15:43 PM »

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College football needs players like Trent Richardson!

Not only a huge asset to Alabama, but a larger contributor to all of college football! What's not to like about TR?

With all the crap that has gone on during this past year concerning college football programs with on and off field disasters, TR has provided the sport a much needed role model athlete being a humble, wholesome, young individual.

Same can be said about the others in the Heisman trophy contest!

Message to Kids!.  Be like Trent. Be like Trent! Be Like Trent!


One thing to think about this years voting for "Heisman Trophy Winner" is how the different regions of the country breakdown when they cast their ballots.

Out on the West "left" coast, voters will be split on their ballots.

Matt Barkley USCw and Stanford's Andrew Luck will probably split and get equal shares of the numbers cast.

In the BIG12 voters will vote heavy on RGIII because they haven't watched any defense lately.

In the Mid-West, voters in B1G-TEN region of the country are all about Monte Ball!

That leaves the Northeast ( huge Heisman Trophy voter population) Mid- Atlantic and Eastern Seaboard voters plus the SEC region of country to cast their votes for the best Heisman Trophy Candidate in the country.

If ballot casters are honest, they have only one way to vote and that should matter to them, a vote is for TR!

Also borderline fencesitters from new SEC territory states of Texas (TAM) and Missouri Tigers may come arround and realize that the SEC is best college football conference and has the best MVP in the NCAA  in MFBATR!!!

JMHO!

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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2011, 10:24:51 PM »

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College football needs players like Trent Richardson!

Not only a huge asset to Alabama, but a larger contributor to all of college football! What's not to like about TR?

With all the crap that has gone on during this past year concerning college football programs with on and off field disasters, TR has provided the sport a much needed role model athlete being a humble, wholesome, young individual.

Same can be said about the others in the Heisman trophy contest!

Message to Kids!.  Be like Trent. Be like Trent! Be Like Trent!


One thing to think about this years voting for "Heisman Trophy Winner" is how the different regions of the country breakdown when they cast their ballots.

Out on the West "left" coast, voters will be split on their ballots.

Matt Barkley USCw and Stanford's Andrew Luck will probably split and get equal shares of the numbers cast.

In the BIG12 voters will vote heavy on RGIII because they haven't watched any defense lately.

In the Mid-West, voters in B1G-TEN region of the country are all about Monte Ball!

That leaves the Northeast ( huge Heisman Trophy voter population) Mid- Atlantic and Eastern Seaboard voters plus the SEC region of country to cast their votes for the best Heisman Trophy Candidate in the country.

If ballot casters are honest, they have only one way to vote and that should matter to them, a vote is for TR!

Also borderline fencesitters from new SEC territory states of Texas (TAM) and Missouri Tigers may come arround and realize that the SEC is best college football conference and has the best MVP in the NCAA  in MFBATR!!!

JMHO!

Is this what you've been doing all day? BTW, pretty good breakdown. Applause E-Cred
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2011, 10:31:30 PM »

 Applause E-Cred, man I give this to you all for such a discussion and breakdown. My compliments. RTR!
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2011, 07:46:23 AM »

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[This has become one of the tightest fields in recent memory. You could make the case for more than a half dozen players not just making it to New York, but also winning the Heisman Trophy.

But with one week remaining, who should be in the driver's seat? And what should it be based on? A player's value to their team? Statistics? Preseason hype?

They'll all play a part. But there's another determining factor at play, and it is those three letters that we all seem to loathe: B-C-S.

Whether it's a conscious decision, or simply voters following the teams that are directing the season's storylines, the BCS has become key in not just deciding the winner, but the rest of the voting order as well. In the last 12 years, the Heisman recipient has played in a BCS game 11 times and in that span BCS-bound players have claimed at least two of the top three spots in the final voting a whopping 10 times.

GALLERY: Who's topping the Watchman's list after Week 13?

The fact is it took a history-making season and a matchup of title game participants who had no clear contender for Tim Tebow to buck the trend and win in 2007. That's not the case this season.

1. RB Trent Richardson, Alabama, Jr.
Last week: 27 rushes for 203 yards; one reception for five yards and one TD in 42-14 win over Auburn.

Season (12 games): 263 rushes for 1,583 yards and 20 TDs; 27 receptions for 327 yards and three TDs; three kick returns for 66 yards.

He left voters with a statement game as he vies to become the SEC's third straight winner. The junior ran roughshod on the Crimson Tide's rival, torching Auburn for a career-high 203 yards, which was the most yards by a 'Bama back since Mark Ingram in 2009, and it was also his ninth 100-yard game of the year, which ties Ingram from that year. Richardson doesn't lead the nation in rushing yards or TDs, and his yardage would be the lowest by any Heisman-winning back since Archie Griffin's 1,450 in 1975, but you can argue no one has faced a more daunting schedule. He has seen seven defenses ranked in the top 50 -- Wisconsin's Montee Ball is second on this list with five -- and he's put his team in position to play for the BCS title.

Next up: Season complete



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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 08:22:38 AM »

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College football needs players like Trent Richardson!

Not only a huge asset to Alabama, but a larger contributor to all of college football! What's not to like about TR?

With all the crap that has gone on during this past year concerning college football programs with on and off field disasters, TR has provided the sport a much needed role model athlete being a humble, wholesome, young individual.

Same can be said about the others in the Heisman trophy contest!

Message to Kids!.  Be like Trent. Be like Trent! Be Like Trent!


One thing to think about this years voting for "Heisman Trophy Winner" is how the different regions of the country breakdown when they cast their ballots.

Out on the West "left" coast, voters will be split on their ballots.

Matt Barkley USCw and Stanford's Andrew Luck will probably split and get equal shares of the numbers cast.

In the BIG12 voters will vote heavy on RGIII because they haven't watched any defense lately.

In the Mid-West, voters in B1G-TEN region of the country are all about Monte Ball!

That leaves the Northeast ( huge Heisman Trophy voter population) Mid- Atlantic and Eastern Seaboard voters plus the SEC region of country to cast their votes for the best Heisman Trophy Candidate in the country.

If ballot casters are honest, they have only one way to vote and that should matter to them, a vote is for TR!

Also borderline fencesitters from new SEC territory states of Texas (TAM) and Missouri Tigers may come arround and realize that the SEC is best college football conference and has the best MVP in the NCAA  in MFBATR!!!

JMHO!


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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2011, 02:39:12 PM »

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The voters will be casting their ballots soon, so here's what it looks like in the SEC:

UPDATE: we added Tyrann Mathieu. Last minute deliberation has Mathieu back in the race. Will he inch closer nationally after this weekend?

1. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: Richardson had one last chance to make his Heisman statement and he definitely delivered. In front of a national audience against Auburn in the Iron Bowl, Richardson rushed for a career-best 203 yards and caught a touchdown pass. He even had yet another Heisman-like run when he shook off a handful defenders before cutting from the left sideline up to the right for a 57-yard run. There were times when he slid past or ran through Auburn defenders, and then there were a few runs where he carried a group of Tigers a few extra yards just to make a point. Richardson finished the regular season leading the SEC with 1,583 rushing yards and 20 touchdowns on the ground. Against SEC opponents he averaged 136 rushing yards a game and had 10 touchdowns. Richardson enters championship week as a legit front-runner in the Heisman race.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2011, 04:05:32 PM »

Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe.

Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before.

While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country.

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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2011, 04:15:47 PM »

Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe.

Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before.

While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country.



IDK, Matt Millen really knows football. Look what he did for the Detroit Li.......oh, wait, nevermind.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2011, 04:22:26 PM »

Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe.

Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before.

While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country.



IDK, Matt Millen really knows football. Look what he did for the Detroit Li.......oh, wait, nevermind.
Millen is a smart guy. He knows football. He made a reasonable argument but is just wrong. His argument is a lot better than "the SEC wins everything". But it seems he would have paid more attention to the PSU game. Maybe he is still sore from the "Goal Line Stand".
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2011, 04:42:45 PM »

Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe.

Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before.

While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country.



IDK, Matt Millen really knows football. Look what he did for the Detroit Li.......oh, wait, nevermind.
Millen is a smart guy. He knows football. He made a reasonable argument but is just wrong. His argument is a lot better than "the SEC wins everything". But it seems he would have paid more attention to the PSU game. Maybe he is still sore from the "Goal Line Stand".

He knows football. He just wouldn't recognize talent if it bit him in the face.  Laughing
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2011, 05:34:42 PM »

Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe.

Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before.

While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country.


ESPN's Mike Bellotti is a former Oregon AD and Coach. He picked TR. Maybe there is a crack in the west coast armor.

Incidently, Bellotti picked Bama to be in the BCSNCG and BATR for Heisman. He made great, well stated arguments for both. I'm a fan.
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2011, 06:22:28 PM »

From Al.com.

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I just wonder how some of the voters feel about a 3rd straight player from the State of Alabama winning the Heisman.
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2011, 06:39:39 PM »

AL played against less than spectatular defenses.  He does not get hit like TR does.  TR is hit, or hits someone almost every play he is in the game.  Also, you have to give a big plus when you look at the yards after contact. 
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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2011, 05:28:53 AM »

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Shaw believes a phrase from the Heisman Trust's mission statement -- "the pursuit of excellence with integrity" -- defines Luck best.

"I think there are a lot of voters, and some of them I know, who take that line very seriously," Shaw said. "When you become the Heisman Trophy winner, you enter an exclusive club. And these guys, they get together every year and they look at each other, and they know it's an exclusive club. They think in those terms. They want somebody who can represent college football and represent the Heisman name the right way.



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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2011, 01:20:10 PM »

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Shaw believes a phrase from the Heisman Trust's mission statement -- "the pursuit of excellence with integrity" -- defines Luck best.

"I think there are a lot of voters, and some of them I know, who take that line very seriously," Shaw said. "When you become the Heisman Trophy winner, you enter an exclusive club. And these guys, they get together every year and they look at each other, and they know it's an exclusive club. They think in those terms. They want somebody who can represent college football and represent the Heisman name the right way.



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They weren't concerned about that last year, now were they?  Besides that, Trent has just as much integrity, if not more, than all of the other candidates.
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