What's up with this Fluker story

[SUPERCOACH]

[SeniorTSM]

I heard that the guy who wrote the article was on XM radio yesterday and said he wasnt turning over what proof he had to the NCAA, if they want it they can go get it he said.

 

[2Stater]

If Bama has been working on this since before the story broke, that means that if there is anything to it, Bama self reported it. Now I know that didn't help during the textbook scandal, but we're apparently only talking about a couple thousand dollars here.

With the NCAA doing absolutely nothing to schools with much more serious cases, if they slam Bama, not only do I think the NCAA is done, Bama would have grounds for a lawsuit against them. In fact, I think the NCAA is fair game with several schools due to the inconsistency of their rulings.

[SeniorTSM]

From what ive seen over the last couple years, the best thing to do is hire good lawyers and shut up.

[SUPERCOACH]

From what ive seen over the last couple years, the best thing to do is hire good lawyers and shut up.

Especially if the Yahoo guy is not going to give them any of his evidence.

By the way, Yahoo also broke the Reggie Bush story.

[Jamos]

From what ive seen over the last couple years, the best thing to do is hire good lawyers and shut up.

Exactly, make them prove all of the accusations. Maybe Bama better hire Auburn's lawters.

[bamaphil]

Historically when Bama has self-reported and cooperated with the NCAA they've slammed us.  When other schools stonewall they get off with a slap on the wrist if that.  I have a bad feeling about this one.

[ALTideUp]

I'm thinking we might be screwed on this one.

[pmull]

If any of this is true there are several things to consider.

1. The school, coaches and compliance dept did not know anything nor were they trying to hide anything.
2. Luther Davis, a former player, will not be considered a booster. He is a conduit for a sports agent who funneled money to players from schools besides Alabama which is proof he was out for himself and not to give Alabama an advantage. IMO it helps that other schools are involved.
3. If the alledged documents are not turned over to the NCAA they will have a difficult time obtaining the documents legally.
4. Luther Davis was used as a "runner" to try and avoid stiff penalties for sports agent interference in Alabama and Mississippi.

If this is an isolated event, Alabama coaches or institution did not know, we are okay if the ncaa determines we could not have known. This is only embarrassing. I suspect this will be the case.

[SUPERCOACH]

If any of this is true there are several things to consider.

1. The school, coaches and compliance dept did not know anything nor were they trying to hide anything.
2. Luther Davis, a former player, will not be considered a booster. He is a conduit for a sports agent who funneled money to players from schools besides Alabama which is proof he was out for himself and not to give Alabama an advantage. IMO it helps that other schools are involved.
3. If the alledged documents are not turned over to the NCAA they will have a difficult time obtaining the documents legally.
4. Luther Davis was used as a "runner" to try and avoid stiff penalties for sports agent interference in Alabama and Mississippi.

If this is an isolated event, Alabama coaches or institution did not know, we are okay if the ncaa determines we could not have known. This is only embarrassing. I suspect this will be the case.

I hope so.  But the school didn't know anything about the textbook scheme either and self reported it to the NCAA as soon as they figured out what happened.  Look how that turned out.  We are well within the 5 year repeat violator window since we only came off probation last summer.  If an embattled NCAA wanted to re-establish itself and regain credibility, this would be the perfect case to do it with.

Some of the alleged documents are publicly available on the internet, like the western union receipt I posted.

[2Stater]

If any of this is true there are several things to consider.

1. The school, coaches and compliance dept did not know anything nor were they trying to hide anything.
2. Luther Davis, a former player, will not be considered a booster. He is a conduit for a sports agent who funneled money to players from schools besides Alabama which is proof he was out for himself and not to give Alabama an advantage. IMO it helps that other schools are involved.
3. If the alledged documents are not turned over to the NCAA they will have a difficult time obtaining the documents legally.
4. Luther Davis was used as a "runner" to try and avoid stiff penalties for sports agent interference in Alabama and Mississippi.

If this is an isolated event, Alabama coaches or institution did not know, we are okay if the ncaa determines we could not have known. This is only embarrassing. I suspect this will be the case.

I hope so.  But the school didn't know anything about the textbook scheme either and self reported it to the NCAA as soon as they figured out what happened.  Look how that turned out.  We are well within the 5 year repeat violator window since we only came off probation last summer.  If an embattled NCAA wanted to re-establish itself and regain credibility, this would be the perfect case to do it with.

Some of the alleged documents are publicly available on the internet, like the western union receipt I posted.

I disagree with this. The NCAA will come off looking like they are picking on Alabama after all the weak rulings they have levied on other schools for worse offenses. They aren't the powerful organization they used to be. Having said that, they are smart enough, however, to realize how a damaging ruling would be perceived in the college sports world, and the liability it would open up for the lawsuit that I posted about earlier.

[bamaphil]

I don't think we're in any danger of losing scholarships or receiving a bowl ban.  This appears to be an isolated incident and since Saban arrived things have been run cleanly. 

It's very possible the NCAA will vacate wins, including the championships, and place us back on probation.

[pmull]

If any of this is true there are several things to consider.

1. The school, coaches and compliance dept did not know anything nor were they trying to hide anything.
2. Luther Davis, a former player, will not be considered a booster. He is a conduit for a sports agent who funneled money to players from schools besides Alabama which is proof he was out for himself and not to give Alabama an advantage. IMO it helps that other schools are involved.
3. If the alledged documents are not turned over to the NCAA they will have a difficult time obtaining the documents legally.
4. Luther Davis was used as a "runner" to try and avoid stiff penalties for sports agent interference in Alabama and Mississippi.

If this is an isolated event, Alabama coaches or institution did not know, we are okay if the ncaa determines we could not have known. This is only embarrassing. I suspect this will be the case.

I hope so.  But the school didn't know anything about the textbook scheme either and self reported it to the NCAA as soon as they figured out what happened.  Look how that turned out.  We are well within the 5 year repeat violator window since we only came off probation last summer.  If an embattled NCAA wanted to re-establish itself and regain credibility, this would be the perfect case to do it with.

Some of the alleged documents are publicly available on the internet, like the western union receipt I posted.

The text book issue is very different IMO. The school (probably student workers) issued the books to players. This happened with hundreds of players across several sports. The NCAA deemed the school did know or should have known this was happening. It would be hard to argue that was an isolated case and the school, who issued the books, did not know.

I am guessing the documents on the internet are copies that would have to be proven real. I could easily fake a Western Union receipt and post it on the internet. Just because it is on the internet does not make it real. That is where we use the barn defense of deny, deny, deny and make them prove it.

I think we will take the high road and tell the truth. This was an isolated case of an agent taking advantage of a student athlete without the school or coaches knowledge.

[SUPERCOACH]

If any of this is true there are several things to consider.

1. The school, coaches and compliance dept did not know anything nor were they trying to hide anything.
2. Luther Davis, a former player, will not be considered a booster. He is a conduit for a sports agent who funneled money to players from schools besides Alabama which is proof he was out for himself and not to give Alabama an advantage. IMO it helps that other schools are involved.
3. If the alledged documents are not turned over to the NCAA they will have a difficult time obtaining the documents legally.
4. Luther Davis was used as a "runner" to try and avoid stiff penalties for sports agent interference in Alabama and Mississippi.

If this is an isolated event, Alabama coaches or institution did not know, we are okay if the ncaa determines we could not have known. This is only embarrassing. I suspect this will be the case.

I hope so.  But the school didn't know anything about the textbook scheme either and self reported it to the NCAA as soon as they figured out what happened.  Look how that turned out.  We are well within the 5 year repeat violator window since we only came off probation last summer. If an embattled NCAA wanted to re-establish itself and regain credibility, this would be the perfect case to do it with.

Some of the alleged documents are publicly available on the internet, like the western union receipt I posted.

I disagree with this. The NCAA will come off looking like they are picking on Alabama after all the weak rulings they have levied on other schools for worse offenses. They aren't the powerful organization they used to be. Having said that, they are smart enough, however, to realize how a damaging ruling would be perceived in the college sports world, and the liability it would open up for the lawsuit that I posted about earlier.

That is assuming we fight back.  Last time we just laid down and let them roll over us.  The whole textbook case really opened my eyes to how they work.  I never expected anything serious to happen with that.  Clearly the university operated with integrity in that case and did absolutely nothing wrong.  Even what the students did wrong wasn't that bad.  Yet they almost gave us the death penalty.

One thing I do agree with is that the NCAA is much different now.  Perhaps that very case where they overreached so far is what caused the pendulum to begin swinging back to the other side where it is now.

[Chechem]

Short version:
If Ed Stinson plays against A&M, we have nothing to worry about.  
If he sits, we're going to self-impose the penalties.  

 


Yes, he played against VT.

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