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« on: May 09, 2012, 03:41:10 AM »

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Major college football appears to be moving toward a four-team playoff. In SEC country, this is widely viewed as a national reaction to the conference's recent dominance of the Bowl Championship Series system, with the past six champs coming from the league and culminating in the most recent championship game when SEC members Alabama and LSU played for the title.

It also seems a widely held view in SEC territory that the plan will backfire on the schemers by giving two teams from the league a shot at the national title each season -- that is, of course, as long as there's no requirement that each of the four participants be a conference champion.

Is there a way to predict the likelihood that the SEC will, indeed, put two teams in future four-team playoffs? ...
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2012, 06:18:51 AM »

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Here are the times that one conference has supplied two of the top four teams in the final BCS ratings:

2001: Big 12 -- Nebraska, Colorado
2004: Big 12 -- Oklahoma, Texas
2005: Big Ten -- Penn State, Ohio State
2006: Big Ten -- Ohio State, Michigan
2006: SEC -- Florida, LSU
2008: Big 12 -- Oklahoma, Texas
2008: SEC -- Florida, LSU
2010: Pac-10 -- Oregon, Stanford
2011: SEC -- LSU, Alabama

Mike Slive will need to make a case for this argument. I fear he will be outnumbered when it comes to defending non-champions being in the playoff.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 06:35:14 AM »

Where the results of the above conf. comparisons really gets skewed in the SEC's favor is when you consider the #2 SEC team had a loss around the 1st week of December (SECCG).
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 06:45:19 AM »

Whatever the new rule ends up being, I feel pretty confident it will be one designed strictly for the SEC to be minimized in having two teams in the playoffs. If this was another conference, PAC 12, Big 12, or Big 10, that was having the success that the SEC has enjoyed the past years, nothing would have been said about a playoff system. If you can't beat them, then design a way to disassemble them.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 07:00:31 AM »

Whatever the new rule ends up being, I feel pretty confident it will be one designed strictly for the SEC to be minimized in having two teams in the playoffs. If this was another conference, PAC 12, Big 12, or Big 10, that was having the success that the SEC has enjoyed the past years, nothing would have been said about a playoff system. If you can't beat them, then design a way to disassemble them.  Wink

The new system won't last if they rule that each conference is limited to one team.  Then it becomes a joke.

Recall, Kentucky would have been banned from this year's NCAA bb tournament after they lost the SECCG.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 10:02:32 AM »

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Here are the times that one conference has supplied two of the top four teams in the final BCS ratings:

2001: Big 12 -- Nebraska, Colorado
2004: Big 12 -- Oklahoma, Texas
2005: Big Ten -- Penn State, Ohio State
2006: Big Ten -- Ohio State, Michigan
2006: SEC -- Florida, LSU
2008: Big 12 -- Oklahoma, Texas
2008: SEC -- Florida, LSU
2010: Pac-10 -- Oregon, Stanford
2011: SEC -- LSU, Alabama

Mike Slive will need to make a case for this argument. I fear he will be outnumbered when it comes to defending non-champions being in the playoff.
This is final BCS standings, after bowl games.  Bama was in the top 4 in 2008 going into the bowl games and would have made that playoff.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 10:09:34 AM »

I believe the final BCS standings are before the bowl games.  Once the #1 and #2 teams are picked for the NCG, they no longer serve a purpose and they do not release another one.

A couple of weeks ago I documented that 3 out of the last 6 years the SEC would have fielded 2 teams in a 4 team playoff.  If I remember correctly, Alabama was indeed one of those teams in 2008.

I'm not sure where the discrepancy comes in.  Maybe a cut and paste error from the 2006 listing?
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 01:05:27 PM »

I believe the final BCS standings are before the bowl games.  Once the #1 and #2 teams are picked for the NCG, they no longer serve a purpose and they do not release another one.

A couple of weeks ago I documented that 3 out of the last 6 years the SEC would have fielded 2 teams in a 4 team playoff.  If I remember correctly, Alabama was indeed one of those teams in 2008.

I'm not sure where the discrepancy comes in.  Maybe a cut and paste error from the 2006 listing?
Could be.  I assumed that there was a final standing at the end of the year to crown the BCS winner, but still LSU was not up there, so must be a cut and paste error.
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