Alabama 55 v. Auburn 74 Basketball - Ugh!

[pmull]

Somewhat disappointing to see almost no comments by my fellow posters. I think there is so much frustration and the realization that this is a lost season that nobody wants to talk about it. The season started with so much hope, at least on my part, and to such such crap as we play is truly a letdown.
 

Another game and another example of BAMA losing because of the three point shot. 

BAMA's lead diminished significantly against LSU as BAMA shot, and missed, more 3s in the second half.  BoogerU opened up their lead in the second half as BAMA shot, and missed, more 3s.

When are the coaches, and players, going to realize that they are not an outside shooting team?  They might become one, but at the present time that is a part of their game they need to abandon.

BAMA was out rebounded, again.  Rebounds are all about effort.

BAMA's best basketball this season was the first half of the LSU game when they were driving the lane, taking short jumpers, and pressuring the defense with the inside push.

Something is wrong with this team.

We got the sh** beat out of last night but it had nothing to do with 3 point shooting. In fact we made more 3's and shot a higher percentage than the barn. We got beat because they out played us in every phase of the game except 3 point shooting.

As for the LSU game I don't know what you are talking about. Our 3 point shooting is what won the game. We were 8-16 against LSU going 7-9 in the 2nd half. Anyone in the country would take that.

[Marshal Dillon]

I knew this was going to be a tough game for us.

Really?

BAMA should have won this one walking away and with the bench and alternate lineups seeing significant time.

CAG has got to find the answer for winning games on the road. We have not won a game this year away from Coleman Coliseum.

Frankly, his record at home is not that impressive.  Wins against the likes of Georgia State and South Florida only count for so much.

Well, I expect next year you will see a huge creme puff schedule. Grant knows he is in trouble so we will get a healthy dose of Alabama A&M's, Georgia State's, and the like. This will give him a bogus winning record and maybe result in even winning 20 games. Of course, many Tide fans will fall for this farce and hail and proclaim him a good coach because he won 20 games. Next year for Coach Grant is about improving his record any way possible, not going to the NCAA Tourney.


 

[pmull]

Grants record at home has been very good. The best in the SEC after UK and Florida.

I think you are under estimating CAG and the Alabama fan base. I do not expect a cream puff non conference schedule next year. I do not think it will be the # 2 SOS like it is this year but it will be a legitimate schedule.

We need to weather the storm this year because things look better next year IMO. No one is happy with our play or our record but CAG is not going anywhere. I want him to get things turned around and I think he will. It just will not be this year.

[Marshal Dillon]

Grants record at home has been very good. The best in the SEC after UK and Florida.

I think you are under estimating CAG and the Alabama fan base. I do not expect a cream puff non conference schedule next year. I do not think it will be the # 2 SOS like it is this year but it will be a legitimate schedule.

We need to weather the storm this year because things look better next year IMO. No one is happy with our play or our record but CAG is not going anywhere. I want him to get things turned around and I think he will. It just will not be this year.

I think you are banking way too much on next year's class. Remember, they will still be freshmen and Grant's record on player development is not good. I expect to see the same stuff we have seen for the last 5 years, no rebounding, poor passing, too many turnovers, poor outside shooting, too much standing around, etc., etc., etc. I'm looking at this with my eyes wide open and in a pragmatic way. Hope he proves me wrong, but I don't see it happening. Plus, I can hear the excuses for next year already, the team is young, give Grant more time, give the players time to learn the system, etc.


 

[pmull]

Grants record at home has been very good. The best in the SEC after UK and Florida.

I think you are under estimating CAG and the Alabama fan base. I do not expect a cream puff non conference schedule next year. I do not think it will be the # 2 SOS like it is this year but it will be a legitimate schedule.

We need to weather the storm this year because things look better next year IMO. No one is happy with our play or our record but CAG is not going anywhere. I want him to get things turned around and I think he will. It just will not be this year.

I think you are banking way too much on next year's class. Remember, they will still be freshmen and Grant's record on player development is not good. I expect to see the same stuff we have seen for the last 5 years, no rebounding, poor passing, too many turnovers, poor outside shooting, too much standing around, etc., etc., etc. I'm looking at this with my eyes wide open and in a pragmatic way. Hope he proves me wrong, but I don't see it happening. Plus, I can hear the excuses for next year already, the team is young, give Grant more time, give the players time to learn the system, etc.


 

The team will not be young next year. Randolph, Cooper, Key and Jacobs will be seniors.  Obasohan will be a 4th year junior. Hale and Taylor will be sophomores.

New Players:

Transfer point guard Ricky Tarrant will be a 3rd year junior. He started two years at Tulane and was all conference. He averaged 15 pts.

Transfer Michael Kessens will be a 3rd year sophomore. He was a starter at Longwood and was Freshman Player of the Year in their conference. He averaged 13 points and 8 rebounds.

Note: Both of the transfers have been practicing with the team all year and will have a year in the system before they play their first game. IMO both of these guys will be good players for us.

We have three Top 100 recruits coming in as freshmen. IMO three guys have the potential to contribute to the program right away but only time will tell.

This will be the deepest and most balanced roster CAG has had at Alabama. We also have some big guys who can rebound and score in Hale and Kessens. Taylor, who will be better in his second year, and Jacobs will add some depth.

[roll tide roll]

We got the sh** beat out of last night but it had nothing to do with 3 point shooting. In fact we made more 3's and shot a higher percentage than the barn. We got beat because they out played us in every phase of the game except 3 point shooting.

You are really going to hang your hat on 19% 3 point shooting?

You are correct boogerU shot 17%, so BAMA did have a higher % overall.

Ok.  You have said previously that it is not coaching, but talent.  In the above situation you described who is to blame?  If it is talent, who is to blame for that?

As for the LSU game I don't know what you are talking about. Our 3 point shooting is what won the game. We were 8-16 against LSU going 7-9 in the 2nd half. Anyone in the country would take that.

My apologies.  You are right they got on a streak in the second half.  Of course anyone would be happy with 50%

BAMA went 0 - 6 (3s) in the first half v. LSU.  BAMA started the 2nd half with a 13 point lead and won by 3.  So, in spite of BAMA having their best 3 pt shooting half of the season they managed to surrender a 13 point advantage and win by 2 while going 3 - 4 from the free throw line in the waning seconds of the game.  That was also BAMA's best 3pt shooting game of the season.

BAMA shot 37% of their 3s in the 1st half.  This means they shot 63% of their 3s in the second half.

I simply see an inverse relationship between BAMA's 3pt shooting and their performance in the other aspects of the game.  In my opinion the more 3pts they shoot the more the other aspects of the game suffer.

On average BAMA shoots less than 30% against "quality" opponents.

Grants record at home has been very good. The best in the SEC after UK and Florida.

That means nothing.  That is like saying 19% 3pt shooting is something to be proud of b/c your opponent shot 17%.

Look at the overall level of competition and the outcomes v. top 25 teams among the three teams.  Of the three teams only one has no wins over a top 25 opponent.

Quality, not quantity.

If BAMA plays Duke today Duke beats BAMA by 40+.

[ricky023]

I don't know what to say anymore. I just hope we can get better someday. RTR!

[pmull]

We got the sh** beat out of last night but it had nothing to do with 3 point shooting. In fact we made more 3's and shot a higher percentage than the barn. We got beat because they out played us in every phase of the game except 3 point shooting.

You are really going to hang your hat on 19% 3 point shooting?

You are correct boogerU shot 17%, so BAMA did have a higher % overall.

Ok.  You have said previously that it is not coaching, but talent.  In the above situation you described who is to blame?  If it is talent, who is to blame for that?

As for the LSU game I don't know what you are talking about. Our 3 point shooting is what won the game. We were 8-16 against LSU going 7-9 in the 2nd half. Anyone in the country would take that.

My apologies.  You are right they got on a streak in the second half.  Of course anyone would be happy with 50%

BAMA went 0 - 6 (3s) in the first half v. LSU.  BAMA started the 2nd half with a 13 point lead and won by 3.  So, in spite of BAMA having their best 3 pt shooting half of the season they managed to surrender a 13 point advantage and win by 2 while going 3 - 4 from the free throw line in the waning seconds of the game.  That was also BAMA's best 3pt shooting game of the season.

BAMA shot 37% of their 3s in the 1st half.  This means they shot 63% of their 3s in the second half.

I simply see an inverse relationship between BAMA's 3pt shooting and their performance in the other aspects of the game.  In my opinion the more 3pts they shoot the more the other aspects of the game suffer.

On average BAMA shoots less than 30% against "quality" opponents.

Grants record at home has been very good. The best in the SEC after UK and Florida.

That means nothing.  That is like saying 19% 3pt shooting is something to be proud of b/c your opponent shot 17%.

Look at the overall level of competition and the outcomes v. top 25 teams among the three teams.  Of the three teams only one has no wins over a top 25 opponent.

Quality, not quantity.

If BAMA plays Duke today Duke beats BAMA by 40+.

I'm not hanging my hat on anything. We played like crap last night. If you would have said we lost the game to rebounding, turnovers, lack of effort or any other phase of the game but three point shooting you would have been correct. The only reason I spoke up is because you blamed the 2nd half of the LSU game on three point shooting and as you have acknowledged that is what won the game for us.

Like him or not CAG has a good record at home. He is 56-10 at home the last 4 years. (I could not quickly locate his first year home record.) That is pretty good. The 10 losses have been to good teams.

We are having a terrible year. Fans are frustrated but I do think the future looks good.

[roll tide roll]

I do not think it will be the # 2 SOS like it is this year but it will be a legitimate schedule.

Does anyone else not think BAMA's #2 SOS is a joke?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/sos

UNC played MSU, Louisville, and UK before even starting ACC play and they are 14 spots lower in SOS.

How is it possible that BAMA has a higher SOS than UNC?  It is not.  It is laughable.  Look at who BAMA precedes on that list.

Basing SOS on the winning percentage of opponents from the previous year is flawed.  BAMA having a #2 SOS ranking is proof.

This one has BAMA at 42 and falling.

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team

[roll tide roll]

I'm not hanging my hat on anything. We played like crap last night. If you would have said we lost the game to rebounding, turnovers, lack of effort or any other phase of the game but three point shooting you would have been correct.

With the exception of turnovers I made reference to all of those.  If you cannot see how 19% 3pt shooting leads to a loss I do not know what to say.

The only reason I spoke up is because you blamed the 2nd half of the LSU game on three point shooting and as you have acknowledged that is what won the game for us.

The last 3 made free throws are why BAMA won that game.

Like I said, I just see the overall level of play decrease as BAMA shoots more 3s.

Like him or not CAG has a good record at home.

I like him and want him to do well.

He is 56-10 at home the last 4 years. (I could not quickly locate his first year home record.) That is pretty good. The 10 losses have been to good teams

Historically BAMA has played well at home and lost on the road.

There is still time for BAMA to turn things around.  If they get hot and that carries over into the SEC Tourney (how many years has that been said?) they still have some potential.  

I do not see getting to the first round of the NCAA and losing as success.  If it included an SEC Tournament Championship I would be okay with that, but it has been over a decade since BAMA even made a serious run in the SEC Tournament.

[pmull]

I do not think it will be the # 2 SOS like it is this year but it will be a legitimate schedule.

Does anyone else not think BAMA's #2 SOS is a joke?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/sos

UNC played MSU, Louisville, and UK before even starting ACC play and they are 14 spots lower in SOS.

How is it possible that BAMA has a higher SOS than UNC?  It is not.  It is laughable.  Look at who BAMA precedes on that list.

Basing SOS on the winning percentage of opponents from the previous year is flawed.  BAMA having a #2 SOS ranking is proof.

This one has BAMA at 42 and falling.

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team

I will put our schedule up against anyone's. The SOS not only looks at the top teams you play but the very bad teams you play. We have played a difficult schedule. ESPN, Yahoo and Realtime agree with your CBS link that our SOS is # 2 at this point.

Click here for link

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[roll tide roll]

I do not think it will be the # 2 SOS like it is this year but it will be a legitimate schedule.

Does anyone else not think BAMA's #2 SOS is a joke?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/sos

UNC played MSU, Louisville, and UK before even starting ACC play and they are 14 spots lower in SOS.

How is it possible that BAMA has a higher SOS than UNC?  It is not.  It is laughable.  Look at who BAMA precedes on that list.

Basing SOS on the winning percentage of opponents from the previous year is flawed.  BAMA having a #2 SOS ranking is proof.

This one has BAMA at 42 and falling.

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team

I will put our schedule up against anyone's. The SOS not only looks at the top teams you play but the very bad teams you play. We have played a difficult schedule. ESPN, Yahoo and Realtime agree with your CBS link that our SOS is # 2 at this point.

Click here for link

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Put it up against UNC's and explain to me how BAMA is 14 spots better.  They are not.
 

Take an objective look at the CBS list, or any list that has BAMA at #2.  It is just wrong.

Of course they look at all teams to tabulate a strength of schedule.

If the three you added use a similar formula as CBS then they will have similar results.


Have a good weekend.

[Leewillie]

I don't know what to say anymore. I just hope we can get better someday. RTR!

Hey Preacher, Hang in there, Softball is just around the corner.

[Jamos]

Let us see your credentials as a coach Roll Tide Roll, you seem to have all of the answers to Bama's problems. 

[Marshal Dillon]

Let us see your credentials as a coach Roll Tide Roll, you seem to have all of the answers to Bama's problems. 

I don't think anyone needs credentials if they have eyes & an open mind. Our play is atrocious, there just isn't any way to sugarcoat what we see on the court.


 

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