Coach Butch Davis of UNC Says NCAA Allegations Serious; update: Butch Fired

[Marshal Dillon]

My son is there in Chapel Hill.  UNC is in major trouble.  They had all kinds of academic issues on top of the recruiting stuff.  I don't see how he'll survive, and can't understand why he's still there today.

Agree. Plus, UNC sees themself as above-the-fray and somewhat snobbish, kinda like Michigan. They think of themselves as an Ivy League type academically.

Hmmm.  I've never experienced that attitude there.  The administration at UNC now is embarrassed by this mess and want it erased.   That's why I see a clean sweep; faculty, administration, coaches, and players involved will be dismissed.  I'm surprised it hasn't started yet.

I'm glad to hear that, so maybe my perception is incorrect. I hope I'm wrong, since the state of North Carolina is a great state.

[Chechem]

My son is there in Chapel Hill.  UNC is in major trouble.  They had all kinds of academic issues on top of the recruiting stuff.  I don't see how he'll survive, and can't understand why he's still there today.

Agree. Plus, UNC sees themself as above-the-fray and somewhat snobbish, kinda like Michigan. They think of themselves as an Ivy League type academically.

Hmmm.  I've never experienced that attitude there.  The administration at UNC now is embarrassed by this mess and want it erased.   That's why I see a clean sweep; faculty, administration, coaches, and players involved will be dismissed.  I'm surprised it hasn't started yet.

I'm glad to hear that, so maybe my perception is incorrect. I hope I'm wrong, since the state of North Carolina is a great state.

Thanks, MD.  I put enough money into NC.  It should be a great state.

edit: Make that, "put enough money into UNC".   

[Marshal Dillon]

I love most of the Southern states, like the Carolinas, Georgia, Tennessee, North Florida, Texas, & Kentucky.

[Chechem]

I love most of the Southern states, like the Carolinas, Georgia, Tennessee, North Florida, Texas, & Kentucky.

Me too, plus whatever was left out: Mississippi, Louisiana, Arky, ALABAMA, and NW Florida SE Alabama.

[Chechem]

Just got a call.  Butch is out at UNC; FIRED.

[ricky023]

Just got a call.  Butch is out at UNC; FIRED.

OK, have they named a temp. replacement? It is not far to football practice. Why did they fire him, because of the NCAA allegations? RTR!

[Chechem]

I got a phone call about this one.  Here is a link:

Click here for link

"To restore confidence in the University of North Carolina and our football program, it's time to make a change," said UNC Chancellor Thorp. "What started as a purely athletic issue has begun to chip away at this university's reputation. I have been deliberate in my approach to understanding this situation fully, and I have worked to be fair to everyone involved."

[Coach Hank Crisp]

I will tell you the truth why they fired him. It was because NCAA dropped lack of institutional conrol charges against tOSU because they fired Tressel. UNC is following that path. Hoping for the same.

 

[carl childers]

Nick Saban to UNC - there, I was the first to post it.

[SUPERCOACH]

Nick Saban to UNC - there, I was the first to post it.

[SUPERCOACH]

I will tell you the truth why they fired him. It was because NCAA dropped lack of institutional conrol charges against tOSU because they fired Tressel. UNC is following that path. Hoping for the same.

 

This is probably correct, and it infuriates me that the NCACA would even consider that.  If that is how it works, then schools every where that want to cheat will just hire a yes man buffoon to run the program.  Then when they get caught, he becomes the sacrificial lamb that gets them out of the lack of institutional control charge and the sanctions that go with it.  Now, does this sound like a strategy that a certain cow college may be planning to use?  Unfortunately, it might just work to at least reduce the penalties.

 

[Chechem]

I will tell you the truth why they fired him. It was because NCAA dropped lack of institutional conrol charges against tOSU because they fired Tressel. UNC is following that path. Hoping for the same.

 

This is probably correct, and it infuriates me that the NCACA would even consider that.  If that is how it works, then schools every where that want to cheat will just hire a yes man buffoon to run the program.  Then when they get caught, he becomes the sacrificial lamb that gets them out of the lack of institutional control charge and the sanctions that go with it.  Now, does this sound like a strategy that a certain cow college may be planning to use?  Unfortunately, it might just work to at least reduce the penalties.

 

Butch was fired because he was at the center of the major allegations.  The Chancellor took time to review the accusations and ensure that he understood the situation.  He realized that UNC's academic reputation would suffer from this for a long time and that meant Butch had to go.

[SUPERCOACH]

Again, as I stated the other day in a previous post, I guess technically there isn't a lack of institutional control.  If it is done intentionally it shows an overpowering amount of institutional control.

I don't think this is what happened at UNC, but does anybody think that cheese whiz was hired for his stellar record at Iowa State?  They put him in place as a puppet that would not fight the institutional control.

There should be a special section of the rule book for schools that cheat when there ISN'T a lack of institutional control.

[Coach Hank Crisp]

Timing, Timing, Timing.

Last week the NCAA dropped the major charge of institutional control. Tressel was at the center of all of tOSU problems because he did not report violations (forward emails) to the compliance offficers.

Same thing with the Vols and the NCAA. Pearl lied to NCAA with a Tn. lawyer beside him. They fired Pearl in March, self impose sanctions and are begging for mercy from NCAA.

Coach Davis is fired a week before fall camp starts only to appease the NCAA. Beg for mercy on their knees.

JMHO.

 

[SUPERCOACH]

I will tell you the truth why they fired him. It was because NCAA dropped lack of institutional conrol charges against tOSU because they fired Tressel. UNC is following that path. Hoping for the same.

 

This is probably correct, and it infuriates me that the NCACA would even consider that.  If that is how it works, then schools every where that want to cheat will just hire a yes man buffoon to run the program.  Then when they get caught, he becomes the sacrificial lamb that gets them out of the lack of institutional control charge and the sanctions that go with it.  Now, does this sound like a strategy that a certain cow college may be planning to use?  Unfortunately, it might just work to at least reduce the penalties.

 

Butch was fired because he was at the center of the major allegations.  The Chancellor took time to review the accusations and ensure that he understood the situation.  He realized that UNC's academic reputation would suffer from this for a long time and that meant Butch had to go.

Yes, Butch had to go eventually and he clearly was not hired as a puppet.  Their situation is a little different I suppose.  But the idea that firing somebody can get you out of penalties when you deserve them otherwise is the part that infuriates me.  It didn't used to be that way, at least not when we fired Dubose.

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