Sunday Morning CRS Coach's Corner: Game 7

[bama57]

Coaching, recruiting and execution all play a part in special teams. We ranked pretty high in punt and kick off returns when we had Arenas and Maze. We have not had a dynamic returner in a few years. Lee Tiffin made a ST coach look pretty good with his strong accurate leg.

IMO defending punts and kicks is about coaching and execution. You coach them well and players do their job the results are normally good. One player gets out of his lane and you give up a big return.

This is college football. Things go well and the players get the credit. Things go bad and it is coaching. Some things never change.

I think Coach Williams is a solid coach.

#+I do too!

[Jamos]

Did all you guys doing high 5's because you think this article discredited me actually read the article. First of all, only 4 types of stats are used. How about these comments from the article:

Statistically, none of the four coverage/return teams are among the national leaders.

Conversely, the kickoff return team is No. 97, managing just 18.9 yards an attempt. It also lost two crucial fumbles in the 43-37 Ole Miss loss in September.

"Are there some questions here and there? Absolutely," said Baron Huber, a fullback and special teams member from 2006-09. "Anybody that feels good about our field goal team lining up and kicking a field goal right now is probably overzealous.

"Everyone always talks about how difficult (Saban's) defense is to learn," Reamer said. "And the scheme for special teams wasn't difficult, but it was hard to execute. Some people just didn't understand how to make it work."

Funny, I thought it was the coach's job to teach players how to execute.

Kickoff coverage was an issue a few times last year as opponents had a few long returns. After the touchdown in Week 1, Ole Miss returned the opening kickoff 54 yards to set up a field goal in a 23-17 Alabama loss. Texas A&M also had a 75-yard return as the Tide ranked 77th nationally.

"The kickoff coverage has probably been puzzling to me as a fan over the last couple of years," Huber said.

It's improved this fall to rank 53rd with an average yield of 20.3 yards. There are 20 teams allowing between 20.0 and 20.9 a try and none of Alabama's foes have returned one longer than 33 yards.

There's a lot more to special teams than 4 stats. How about our players fielding punts inside the 10 yard line, a big no-no or fielding a kick-off inside the 15 near the sideline before it goes out-of-bounds and then falling out-of-bounds with the ball inside the 15. I go by what I see with my own eyes, no some article & certainly not 4 stats trying to justify what we all know is the truth, our special teams have been bad during the entire tenure of Williams. Also, who does Saban go straight to after a ST snafu, Bobby Williams, and it doesn't look like he's congratulating Williams. Plus, does anyone really expect a former player come out & criticize a current coach? Of course not, they come out in support.

I will ask again, do you really think that Shula, Anthony Grant, Ears Whitworth, & many, many others were good coaches, it's the players fault for failing to execute. No one wanted to answer this question last time I posted it, will one of you Bobby Williams supporters please address this question, now. Thanks.

I hope chechem, Jamos, 57, & 2Stater answer the above question. A couple might.


 

Md, for the sake of another argument with you which seems to be your norm, it really isn't worth the space that it takes to write a rebuttal to you. No one has ever said that coaches don't make bad decisions at times but who are you and I to question what happened when we don't know any of the circumstances for what happened. We only base our argument on what we saw, which can be very deceiving when judging. You like to argue that the players aren't getting the proper coaching but that is your opinion by what you saw and not by what you know. You prove that by your claim that the players are covering up for the coaches, are you saying that CNS is a bad coach and doesn't know what he is doing? He is responsible for every coach on his staff and I'm sure that he doesn't have all of the best football coaches out there but I would say that he has the best of what is available. My opinion is that if Bobby Williams isn't doing his job, CNS would have replaced him long ago. Again, maybe the problem is CNS himself in that he doesn't know what he is doing by keeping such a bad coach on his staff. Isn't he the one that is responsible for everything. I find it strange that you read a factual article by the players about the special teams and how they practice but yet it is all hogwash by your standards. But, maybe it isn't so strange by your standards after all.



 

[bama57]

MD, you stated:  What you are implying is that coaches like Shula, Ears Whitworth, DuBose, & others were good coaches but the players did not listen to their coaches & perform properly. Therefore, it's the players fault. Not trying to be mean, but Williams is a failure as ST coach, period.
     1st off I did not see you make a question
      2nd off, once again you assume YOU KNOW what some one else is implying without merit
        3rd off, stop assuming, you ain't qualified  

           

[Catch Prothro]

This Thread has reached its limit.  There is a difference of opinion, and no one is going to change their minds.  

Let's enjoy some football!


 

[2Stater]

BLOOM!!!

[Marshal Dillon]

Did all you guys doing high 5's because you think this article discredited me actually read the article. First of all, only 4 types of stats are used. How about these comments from the article:

Statistically, none of the four coverage/return teams are among the national leaders.

Conversely, the kickoff return team is No. 97, managing just 18.9 yards an attempt. It also lost two crucial fumbles in the 43-37 Ole Miss loss in September.

"Are there some questions here and there? Absolutely," said Baron Huber, a fullback and special teams member from 2006-09. "Anybody that feels good about our field goal team lining up and kicking a field goal right now is probably overzealous.

"Everyone always talks about how difficult (Saban's) defense is to learn," Reamer said. "And the scheme for special teams wasn't difficult, but it was hard to execute. Some people just didn't understand how to make it work."

Funny, I thought it was the coach's job to teach players how to execute.

Kickoff coverage was an issue a few times last year as opponents had a few long returns. After the touchdown in Week 1, Ole Miss returned the opening kickoff 54 yards to set up a field goal in a 23-17 Alabama loss. Texas A&M also had a 75-yard return as the Tide ranked 77th nationally.

"The kickoff coverage has probably been puzzling to me as a fan over the last couple of years," Huber said.

It's improved this fall to rank 53rd with an average yield of 20.3 yards. There are 20 teams allowing between 20.0 and 20.9 a try and none of Alabama's foes have returned one longer than 33 yards.

There's a lot more to special teams than 4 stats. How about our players fielding punts inside the 10 yard line, a big no-no or fielding a kick-off inside the 15 near the sideline before it goes out-of-bounds and then falling out-of-bounds with the ball inside the 15. I go by what I see with my own eyes, no some article & certainly not 4 stats trying to justify what we all know is the truth, our special teams have been bad during the entire tenure of Williams. Also, who does Saban go straight to after a ST snafu, Bobby Williams, and it doesn't look like he's congratulating Williams. Plus, does anyone really expect a former player come out & criticize a current coach? Of course not, they come out in support.

I will ask again, do you really think that Shula, Anthony Grant, Ears Whitworth, & many, many others were good coaches, it's the players fault for failing to execute. No one wanted to answer this question last time I posted it, will one of you Bobby Williams supporters please address this question, now. Thanks.

I hope chechem, Jamos, 57, & 2Stater answer the above question. A couple might.


 

Md, for the sake of another argument with you which seems to be your norm, it really isn't worth the space that it takes to write a rebuttal to you. No one has ever said that coaches don't make bad decisions at times but who are you and I to question what happened when we don't know any of the circumstances for what happened. We only base our argument on what we saw, which can be very deceiving when judging. You like to argue that the players aren't getting the proper coaching but that is your opinion by what you saw and not by what you know. You prove that by your claim that the players are covering up for the coaches, are you saying that CNS is a bad coach and doesn't know what he is doing? He is responsible for every coach on his staff and I'm sure that he doesn't have all of the best football coaches out there but I would say that he has the best of what is available. My opinion is that if Bobby Williams isn't doing his job, CNS would have replaced him long ago. Again, maybe the problem is CNS himself in that he doesn't know what he is doing by keeping such a bad coach on his staff. Isn't he the one that is responsible for everything. I find it strange that you read a factual article by the players about the special teams and how they practice but yet it is all hogwash by your standards. But, maybe it isn't so strange by your standards after all.

Md, for the sake of another argument with you which seems to be your norm, it really isn't worth the space that it takes to write a rebuttal to you.

Ah yes, attack the messenger, again. I'm not "arguing" for the heck of it, I'm trying to give a different opinion or insight into a problem which we ALL know exists. I guess your definition of arguing is anyone who disagrees with you or most everyone else on a subject.


You prove that by your claim that the players are covering up for the coaches, are you saying that CNS is a bad coach and doesn't know what he is doing?

Where in the world am I saying the players are covering for the coaches? I stated a fact, former players do not criticize their former coaches. That's normal. If you have some examples of former Tide players criticizing their coaches, please share it with me. However, if you read what Huber says, it's somewhat revealing.


My opinion is that if Bobby Williams isn't doing his job, CNS would have replaced him long ago.


It's just not that simple for Coach Saban. You're missing the human factor. Saban has a long relationship with Williams, going back, at least to his days at Michigan State, which is 15-20 years. Coach Saban is not an unfeeling robot like he is painted in the media. I bet he knows Williams wife & family after all these years & has feelings for them. When those factors are in play you don't always see a person's short-comings on-the-job. I said before, if Saban wants to keep Williams fine, that's his decision & he has to live with it. Coach Saban is a great coach, but that does not make him infallible, he is still a human being. I'm sure others of us have been in or seen similar situations as a business owner, supervisor, or employee with under-performing employees. I sure have.


 I find it strange that you read a factual article by the players about the special teams and how they practice but yet it is all hogwash by your standards. But, maybe it isn't so strange by your standards after all.


Again, you're trying to change the subject from Coach Williams to me. Never said it was hogwash, just saying don't expect former Tide players to criticize the coaches. If you read the article closely, they have concerns about special teams, too.

By the way, I respect you for responding to my question, but you still did not answer the question. Was Shula, Grant, & others good coaches who failed because the players did not execute properly? That's my question. Thanks.


 

[Catch Prothro]

 

[ricky023]

  , the discussions on here are so very educational. RTR!

[Marshal Dillon]

This Thread has reached its limit.  There is a difference of opinion, and no one is going to change their minds.  

Let's enjoy some football!


 

I apologize, but I can't sit by while someone avoids the basic question I asked, twists my words into convoluted ways, & basically tries to make me the problem. This is America & we all have a right to disagree & even be wrong in our opinions. Fans are the most biased folks in the world, if you don't believe it, listen to the callers on Finebaum. Bobby Williams is a lousy special teams coach, that's my opinion. If you think he's a wonderful ST coach, fine, that's your opinion. Remember all the posters who stood up for Grant & tried to make me the problem, same situation here. Like I said Prothro, I do apologize for not heeding your request. You're a good poster & I appreciate you. Thanks

[Marshal Dillon]

 




 

[Catch Prothro]

This Thread has reached its limit.  There is a difference of opinion, and no one is going to change their minds.  

Let's enjoy some football!


 

I apologize, but I can't sit by while someone avoids the basic question I asked, twists my words into convoluted ways, & basically tries to make me the problem. This is America & we all have a right to disagree & even be wrong in our opinions. Fans are the most biased folks in the world, if you don't believe it, listen to the callers on Finebaum. Bobby Williams is a lousy special teams coach, that's my opinion. If you think he's a wonderful ST coach, fine, that's your opinion. Remember all the posters who stood up for Grant & tried to make me the problem, same situation here. Like I said Prothro, I do apologize for not heeding your request. You're a good poster & I appreciate you. Thanks

The only reason I didn't lock the thread down is I figured you had the right to respond.   

[Marshal Dillon]

This Thread has reached its limit.  There is a difference of opinion, and no one is going to change their minds.  

Let's enjoy some football!


 

I apologize, but I can't sit by while someone avoids the basic question I asked, twists my words into convoluted ways, & basically tries to make me the problem. This is America & we all have a right to disagree & even be wrong in our opinions. Fans are the most biased folks in the world, if you don't believe it, listen to the callers on Finebaum. Bobby Williams is a lousy special teams coach, that's my opinion. If you think he's a wonderful ST coach, fine, that's your opinion. Remember all the posters who stood up for Grant & tried to make me the problem, same situation here. Like I said Prothro, I do apologize for not heeding your request. You're a good poster & I appreciate you. Thanks

The only reason I didn't lock the thread down is I figured you had the right to respond.   

Bingo and I appreciate it.

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