Alabama Travels West To Take On UCLA (9:00 CT ESPN2)

[Catch Prothro]

I think Bama lost this game on the offensive boards.  UCLA had too many second and third chances.  At the end, there were some questionable foul calls and non-calls, which put Bama away.

[Marshal Dillon]

Some sobering & disturbing facts about our Tide basketball team.

Our "biggest" win has been against Texas Tech, 7-5 & RPI of 125. We are 5-7 with an RPI of 156.

Tide Team Stats in NCAA:

Points per Game:  162nd
Rebounds per Game:  196th
Assists per Game:  303rd
FG Percentage:  129th

SEC Team Stats for Tide

Rebounding: 13th
Scoring: Tied for 8th
FG %: 9th
FT %: 2nd (Auburn is 1st, what does that tell you?)
3 point shooting %: 8th
Assists: 13th
Steals: 4th
Blocks: 7th



Everything starts with coaching.



 

[Jamos]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

[Marshal Dillon]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

I guess Coach K, Jim Boeheim, or John Calipari could not do better with these same players, right? Or even Wimp Sanderson or C. M. Newton?


 

[Jamos]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

I guess Coach K, Jim Boeheim, or John Calipari could not do better with these same players, right? Or even Wimp Sanderson or C. M. Newton?


 

Probably not. There's not but one real player on the team and he wears #12. The others  all want to be.

[Marshal Dillon]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

I guess Coach K, Jim Boeheim, or John Calipari could not do better with these same players, right? Or even Wimp Sanderson or C. M. Newton?


 

Probably not. There's not but one real player on the team and he wears #12. The others  all want to be.

Amazing. So Coach Bryant who took a team that was 2-7-1 and the next year, using the same players went 5-4-1, then the next year he went 7-2-2 with basically the players of Ears Whitworth was just lucky. Saban took mainly Shula's players and had them at 12-2 two years later. I guess Coach Bryant and Coach Saban were just lucky to have good players and they had zero input into how well the team performed, right? Gosh, I didn't know it was so simple. Your stubbornness in admitting the reality of the situation is mind-boggling. By the way, who recruited these "sorry" players that Coach Grant has? Who has failed to develop them? Who decides what type of defense they play, what type of offense they play, who decides the line-up? Just wondering.


 

[Jamos]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

I guess Coach K, Jim Boeheim, or John Calipari could not do better with these same players, right? Or even Wimp Sanderson or C. M. Newton?


 

Probably not. There's not but one real player on the team and he wears #12. The others  all want to be.

Amazing. So Coach Bryant who took a team that was 2-7-1 and the next year, using the same players went 5-4-1, then the next year he went 7-2-2 with basically the players of Ears Whitworth was just lucky. Saban took mainly Shula's players and had them at 12-2 two years later. I guess Coach Bryant and Coach Saban were just lucky to have good players and they had zero input into how well the team performed, right? Gosh, I didn't know it was so simple. Your stubbornness in admitting the reality of the situation is mind-boggling. By the way, who recruited these "sorry" players that Coach Grant has? Who has failed to develop them? Who decides what type of defense they play, what type of offense they play, who decides the line-up? Just wondering.


 

Hmmm, I didn't know Bear and CNS ever coached basketball.

[2Stater]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

I guess Coach K, Jim Boeheim, or John Calipari could not do better with these same players, right? Or even Wimp Sanderson or C. M. Newton?


 

Probably not. There's not but one real player on the team and he wears #12. The others  all want to be.

Amazing. So Coach Bryant who took a team that was 2-7-1 and the next year, using the same players went 5-4-1, then the next year he went 7-2-2 with basically the players of Ears Whitworth was just lucky. Saban took mainly Shula's players and had them at 12-2 two years later. I guess Coach Bryant and Coach Saban were just lucky to have good players and they had zero input into how well the team performed, right? Gosh, I didn't know it was so simple. Your stubbornness in admitting the reality of the situation is mind-boggling. By the way, who recruited these "sorry" players that Coach Grant has? Who has failed to develop them? Who decides what type of defense they play, what type of offense they play, who decides the line-up? Just wondering.


 

Hmmm, I didn't know Bear and CNS ever coached basketball.

 

In my opinion, the recruiting, which looked promising, did not pan out. This is a lousy shooting team. I don't care how much coaching you get, if you don''t have the eye, you don't have the eye. Even CNS has had busts, Tyler Love and Philip Sims come to mind, and many more that did not live up to their potential.

But a few bad recruits can be overcome in football, because there are 22 positions on offense and defense to be filled with 85 scholarships to fill those positions. Only 5 total in basketball with much fewer scholarships.

You're not comparing apples to apples. I am not holding CAG completely without fault, but this team has no chemistry and very little talent, much of it because there is no leadership from the players. Releford is the only real talent on the team, and even he has problems executing down the stretch with the game on the line.

[Marshal Dillon]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

I guess Coach K, Jim Boeheim, or John Calipari could not do better with these same players, right? Or even Wimp Sanderson or C. M. Newton?


 

Probably not. There's not but one real player on the team and he wears #12. The others  all want to be.

Amazing. So Coach Bryant who took a team that was 2-7-1 and the next year, using the same players went 5-4-1, then the next year he went 7-2-2 with basically the players of Ears Whitworth was just lucky. Saban took mainly Shula's players and had them at 12-2 two years later. I guess Coach Bryant and Coach Saban were just lucky to have good players and they had zero input into how well the team performed, right? Gosh, I didn't know it was so simple. Your stubbornness in admitting the reality of the situation is mind-boggling. By the way, who recruited these "sorry" players that Coach Grant has? Who has failed to develop them? Who decides what type of defense they play, what type of offense they play, who decides the line-up? Just wondering.


 

Hmmm, I didn't know Bear and CNS ever coached basketball.

 

In my opinion, the recruiting, which looked promising, did not pan out. This is a lousy shooting team. I don't care how much coaching you get, if you don''t have the eye, you don't have the eye. Even CNS has had busts, Tyler Love and Philip Sims come to mind, and many more that did not live up to their potential.

But a few bad recruits can be overcome in football, because there are 22 positions on offense and defense to be filled with 85 scholarships to fill those positions. Only 5 total in basketball with much fewer scholarships.

You're not comparing apples to apples. I am not holding CAG completely without fault, but this team has no chemistry and very little talent, much of it because there is no leadership from the players. Releford is the only real talent on the team, and even he has problems executing down the stretch with the game on the line.

This is his FIFTH year. When has he had good shooters, ball handlers, inside players, etc. Greene has been the only inside player we have had & he was NOT recruited by Grant. How many years does he get until he can find some shooters & ball handlers? We have had the same EXACT problems since Grant has been head coach. Too many turnovers, too much fouling, no rebounding, too much standing around, poor outside shooting, losing in close games, blowing leads, etc. 90% of this is not his fault? We are paying him $2 mil a year for this type of playing & results? I have sincere questions for you & Jamos. How bad does it have to get before you place 85-90% of the blame on Grant? How many more years is this type of play acceptable? Just wondering. I really find this a fascinating situation and appreciate yours or anybody else's input. Thanks.


 

[N.AL-Tider]

Was I dreaming or did Bill Walton actually say that Bama is the third best team in the SEC?

[Jamos]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

I guess Coach K, Jim Boeheim, or John Calipari could not do better with these same players, right? Or even Wimp Sanderson or C. M. Newton?


 

Probably not. There's not but one real player on the team and he wears #12. The others  all want to be.

Amazing. So Coach Bryant who took a team that was 2-7-1 and the next year, using the same players went 5-4-1, then the next year he went 7-2-2 with basically the players of Ears Whitworth was just lucky. Saban took mainly Shula's players and had them at 12-2 two years later. I guess Coach Bryant and Coach Saban were just lucky to have good players and they had zero input into how well the team performed, right? Gosh, I didn't know it was so simple. Your stubbornness in admitting the reality of the situation is mind-boggling. By the way, who recruited these "sorry" players that Coach Grant has? Who has failed to develop them? Who decides what type of defense they play, what type of offense they play, who decides the line-up? Just wondering.


 

Hmmm, I didn't know Bear and CNS ever coached basketball.

 

In my opinion, the recruiting, which looked promising, did not pan out. This is a lousy shooting team. I don't care how much coaching you get, if you don''t have the eye, you don't have the eye. Even CNS has had busts, Tyler Love and Philip Sims come to mind, and many more that did not live up to their potential.

But a few bad recruits can be overcome in football, because there are 22 positions on offense and defense to be filled with 85 scholarships to fill those positions. Only 5 total in basketball with much fewer scholarships.

You're not comparing apples to apples. I am not holding CAG completely without fault, but this team has no chemistry and very little talent, much of it because there is no leadership from the players. Releford is the only real talent on the team, and even he has problems executing down the stretch with the game on the line.

I think I will call Bill Battle and demand that CAG and staff stay after each practice and work on their shooting skills as well as their defensive and rebounding skills until they can perform better. I think it is just terrible that they can't play any better than what they have been playing because I know they are better players, they were highly rated coming out of high school and that should make them all-americans to say the least. If Ole Bill doesn't do what I demand, I think I will then ask that he be replaced.

[Marshal Dillon]

Yep, the coaches definitly need to improve on their free throw shooting, rebounding and eliminate their turnovers. They are terrible players.

I guess Coach K, Jim Boeheim, or John Calipari could not do better with these same players, right? Or even Wimp Sanderson or C. M. Newton?


 

Probably not. There's not but one real player on the team and he wears #12. The others  all want to be.

Amazing. So Coach Bryant who took a team that was 2-7-1 and the next year, using the same players went 5-4-1, then the next year he went 7-2-2 with basically the players of Ears Whitworth was just lucky. Saban took mainly Shula's players and had them at 12-2 two years later. I guess Coach Bryant and Coach Saban were just lucky to have good players and they had zero input into how well the team performed, right? Gosh, I didn't know it was so simple. Your stubbornness in admitting the reality of the situation is mind-boggling. By the way, who recruited these "sorry" players that Coach Grant has? Who has failed to develop them? Who decides what type of defense they play, what type of offense they play, who decides the line-up? Just wondering.


 

Hmmm, I didn't know Bear and CNS ever coached basketball.

 

In my opinion, the recruiting, which looked promising, did not pan out. This is a lousy shooting team. I don't care how much coaching you get, if you don''t have the eye, you don't have the eye. Even CNS has had busts, Tyler Love and Philip Sims come to mind, and many more that did not live up to their potential.

But a few bad recruits can be overcome in football, because there are 22 positions on offense and defense to be filled with 85 scholarships to fill those positions. Only 5 total in basketball with much fewer scholarships.

You're not comparing apples to apples. I am not holding CAG completely without fault, but this team has no chemistry and very little talent, much of it because there is no leadership from the players. Releford is the only real talent on the team, and even he has problems executing down the stretch with the game on the line.

I think I will call Bill Battle and demand that CAG and staff stay after each practice and work on their shooting skills as well as their defensive and rebounding skills until they can perform better. I think it is just terrible that they can't play any better than what they have been playing because I know they are better players, they were highly rated coming out of high school and that should make them all-americans to say the least. If Ole Bill doesn't do what I demand, I think I will then ask that he be replaced.

I find it interesting that you NEVER answer a question directly but give evasive answers that have nothing to do with the question that is asked. This means you can't answer the question because you know I am right so you try to answer in a mocking way. Please answer the questions I have asked of you and be specific, if you can. Here are some of the question I have asked, please respond to them. Thanks.

By the way, who recruited these "sorry" players that Coach Grant has? Who has failed to develop them? Who decides what type of defense they play, what type of offense they play, who decides the line-up? Just wondering.

How bad does it have to get before you place 85-90% of the blame on Grant? How many more years is this type of play acceptable?

Thanks for your input.

 

[Marshal Dillon]

Was I dreaming or did Bill Walton actually say that Bama is the third best team in the SEC?

I never heard him say that. However, if he did, it's a huge statement about the quality, or lack thereof, of Coach Grant's coaching. I just don't see how he could have said such a thing, though.


 

[pmull]

I do not think shooting % is our problem. Hitting clutch shots at critical points in the game is our problem. Our SOS is 13 and we have gone to the final minutes with a chance to win in every game. We are shooting 46%. 35% from 3 pt and 71% FT. These may be our best %'s under CAG.

Rebounding is a real problem. We are 12th in the SEC in rebound margin. We are shooting a higher % than our opponents but they are taking 20 more shots per game.

Whose fault is it? It is hard not to blame CAG for not having an SEC caliber post player on our team. JaMychal Green was inherited from Gottfried staff. Other than him we have not had a good post player under CAG. It is too early to say if Jimmie Taylor will be a good one or not but he has potential. We do not have a big man signed in next year's class. It also bothers me we never have a full team on scholarship. This year we have 9 scholarship players available to play with 2 transfers. That leaves us with two open scholarships.

It is hard for me to blame it on the players. Releford is our only All-SEC player but we have talent on this team. Randolph, Cooper, Obasohan and Jacobs could earn playing time with most SEC schools. Taylor and Hale are freshmen with potential. Hale looks like a future star to me. Key looks good at times but he has not played enough to tell what he can do. I have been a supporter of Engstrom but I have come to realize BAMAWV was right about him... he can not play at this level.

I like CAG. I think he is a good man that represents the school with class and integrity. However, I will not be satisfied with the NIT every year. Our RPI is around 150. Realtime RPI is projecting us to go 6-12 in the SEC. This year has the potential to be the worst Alabama team in 40 years.

I am concerned CAG is losing the team and he has already lost much of the already small fan base. 

[Marshal Dillon]

I do not think shooting % is our problem. Hitting clutch shots at critical points in the game is our problem. Our SOS is 13 and we have gone to the final minutes with a chance to win in every game. We are shooting 46%. 35% from 3 pt and 71% FT. These may be our best %'s under CAG.

Rebounding is a real problem. We are 12th in the SEC in rebound margin. We are shooting a higher % than our opponents but they are taking 20 more shots per game.

Whose fault is it? It is hard not to blame CAG for not having an SEC caliber post player on our team. JaMychal Green was inherited from Gottfried staff. Other than him we have not had a good post player under CAG. It is too early to say if Jimmie Taylor will be a good one or not but he has potential. We do not have a big man signed in next year's class. It also bothers me we never have a full team on scholarship. This year we have 9 scholarship players available to play with 2 transfers. That leaves us with two open scholarships.

It is hard for me to blame it on the players. Releford is our only All-SEC player but we have talent on this team. Randolph, Cooper, Obasohan and Jacobs could earn playing time with most SEC schools. Taylor and Hale are freshmen with potential. Hale looks like a future star to me. Key looks good at times but he has not played enough to tell what he can do. I have been a supporter of Engstrom but I have come to realize BAMAWV was right about him... he can not play at this level.

I like CAG. I think he is a good man that represents the school with class and integrity. However, I will not be satisfied with the NIT every year. Our RPI is around 150. Realtime RPI is projecting us to go 6-12 in the SEC. This year has the potential to be the worst Alabama team in 40 years.

I am concerned CAG is losing the team and he has already lost much of the already small fan base. 

Outstanding points & observations. I appreciate you giving specific examples and viewpoints on this subject. I have been a fan of Tide BB since 1968 and this year it seems to be slipping away. You are right, the fans are not showing up, but I guess they will be blamed next for the poor results on the floor. Plus, Bill Battle i a highly successful businessman. I doubt he is very happy with the "product" he sees on the court right now. If this team goes 8-12 in the SEC, then I think people will demand a change in the coaching. Our record would be 13-19 on the regular season. I still have high hopes, though for tho to be turned around.


 

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