Bama vs MSU game notes

[hscoach]

One point I left off, I do think the punter's knee was down when he had control of the ball costing Bama a great scoring opportunity.

[lstephen]

Thanks, Coach!  As always, good notes.

[BAMAWV]

I was on the phone after the game. We were discussing whether CNS tries to talk to officials (line judge?) about NOT blowing plays dead (quick whistle), before BATR is down. Not just every now and then, you think he is stopped, then the whole pile starts moving downfield (LOL). The other side of that is while TR may move the pile, it gives the "D" longer to try and strip the ball (but they haven't had much luck). Coach?

[Coach Hank Crisp]

I was on the phone after the game. We were discussing whether CNS tries to talk to officials (line judge?) about NOT blowing plays dead (quick whistle), before BATR is down. Not just every now and then, you think he is stopped, then the whole pile starts moving downfield (LOL). The other side of that is while TR may move the pile, it gives the "D" longer to try and strip the ball (but they haven't had much luck). Coach?

MFBATR can move the pile like a D11 Caterpillar. He carried the ball 33 times last night and was still standing at the end of half the plays.

[NancyLovesBama]

I don’t know if the D relaxes when EL is in or the OL doesn’t think they have to block as hard when TR is in the game.  It seems EL has better holes to run thru at times.

I noticed the difference too.  It has been like that most of the year.  This also happened a lot last year when MI was in the game.  TR would come in and get the big runs, but MI would be hit in the backfield.

My theory is that the D is always on red alert when they see TR in there (or MI last year).  They are expecting the run and focus on him.  When the #2 guy comes in there, they are not keying on him as much and are playing more of a balanced D.  Not necessarily in the play call by the D, but at least in their mind they are not thinking exclusively about the #1 guy. 

Interesting read Coaches, I would like something else to “choose” from on the seemly better holes to run thru?
HSC I enjoy the notes and the "wealth" of football knowledge you and SC bring. I cannot fathom the OL having a light bulb go off and thinking I will not block as hard for an MI and block harder for TR or I will not block as hard for a TR and block harder for EL. So I completely rule that out. Now I am left with a good theory from SC, yet it will not compute in this fan's brain. To back up my sometimes faulty computation, I am linking an article with some quotes from before LSU game. I have read most all the pre game notes from other teams before our games for a long time and I just have not seen "players" concerned with who is #1 or #2 when it comes to game film and how they prepare for our Awesome Backs. Even with EL hurt and limping other D's see him in film study just as they saw TR last year when he was #2. They all have been scared of these 3 backs when they watch film. I will give an example with some of the LSU players'" minds" before the game when they" knew" EL had been very limited because of injury and they were still preparing for him in their mind. Link with quotes from players.
Click here for link
Maybe some other reason?       
 

[BAMAWV]

                                    

LOL. Louisiana newspapers have learned it sells more papers to put a local slant on their news. That is a lot of thinking for bunch of coonasses. Chances are the team had the videos mixed up and were watching Crowell (both in red). HTH

[NancyLovesBama]

                                     

LOL.[/b] Louisiana newspapers have learned it sells more papers to put a local slant on their news.[/b] That is a lot of thinking for bunch of coonasses. Chances are the team had the videos mixed up and were watching Crowell (both in red). HTH

Did not help much! But I did 

[SUPERCOACH]

Maybe we need to self scout and see if there is something we are doing when Trent is in the game that helps them know when it is going to be a run.  Maybe Trent has a "tell" that we don't know about.  Or it could be one of the lineman.  Maybe the guard lines up with one foot slightly back when he is going to pull. 

It certainly seems like they know the play we are going to run some of those times though.  It happens too often for it to be a coincidence.

[NancyLovesBama]

Maybe we need to self scout and see if there is something we are doing when Trent is in the game that helps them know when it is going to be a run.  Maybe Trent has a "tell" that we don't know about.  Or it could be one of the lineman.  Maybe the guard lines up with one foot slightly back when he is going to pull. 

It certainly seems like they know the play we are going to run some of those times though.  It happens too often for it to be a coincidence.

WOW!   Thanks for answer. I can grab hold of this in my mind.

[pmull]

I think when you have a featured back like we do the defense looks for run first on every play. When the backup comes in the defense looks for something other than the run with the "star" on the sidelines. This happened when Coffee was backed up by Ingram, When Ingram was backed up by TR (twice) and now with TR backed up by Lacy.

[SUPERCOACH]

I think when you have a featured back like we do the defense looks for run first on every play. When the backup comes in the defense looks for something other than the run with the "star" on the sidelines. This happened when Coffee was backed up by Ingram, When Ingram was backed up by TR (twice) and now with TR backed up by Lacy.

I think this is most likely it.  The D may not even be doing it intentionally.

[hscoach]

I don’t know if the D relaxes when EL is in or the OL doesn’t think they have to block as hard when TR is in the game.  It seems EL has better holes to run thru at times.

I noticed the difference too.  It has been like that most of the year.  This also happened a lot last year when MI was in the game.  TR would come in and get the big runs, but MI would be hit in the backfield.

My theory is that the D is always on red alert when they see TR in there (or MI last year).  They are expecting the run and focus on him.  When the #2 guy comes in there, they are not keying on him as much and are playing more of a balanced D.  Not necessarily in the play call by the D, but at least in their mind they are not thinking exclusively about the #1 guy. 

Interesting read Coaches, I would like something else to “choose” from on the seemly better holes to run thru?
HSC I enjoy the notes and the "wealth" of football knowledge you and SC bring. I cannot fathom the OL having a light bulb go off and thinking I will not block as hard for an MI and block harder for TR or I will not block as hard for a TR and block harder for EL. So I completely rule that out. Now I am left with a good theory from SC, yet it will not compute in this fan's brain. To back up my sometimes faulty computation, I am linking an article with some quotes from before LSU game. I have read most all the pre game notes from other teams before our games for a long time and I just have not seen "players" concerned with who is #1 or #2 when it comes to game film and how they prepare for our Awesome Backs. Even with EL hurt and limping other D's see him in film study just as they saw TR last year when he was #2. They all have been scared of these 3 backs when they watch film. I will give an example with some of the LSU players'" minds" before the game when they" knew" EL had been very limited because of injury and they were still preparing for him in their mind. Link with quotes from players.
Click here for link
Maybe some other reason?       
 

Glad you enjoy the notes.  I don't think it is a situation where the OL purposely don't block as hard.  Probably the best case is the D lets up a little when TR is not in the game.  Maybe that is why they are able to get to the second level.  I do believe the D relaxes a little when TR is not in the game.  I am sure it is pounded in their heads all week that you can't let TR dominate this game.   Now, why the D has not seen the effectiveness of EL is beyond me. 

[hscoach]

I was on the phone after the game. We were discussing whether CNS tries to talk to officials (line judge?) about NOT blowing plays dead (quick whistle), before BATR is down. Not just every now and then, you think he is stopped, then the whole pile starts moving downfield (LOL). The other side of that is while TR may move the pile, it gives the "D" longer to try and strip the ball (but they haven't had much luck). Coach?

I really don't know if he talks to them or not.  I worry more about an injury in those piles than him losing the football.  I know he takes pride in his strength and ability to make yards after contact, but sometime go down and save the body.  Easier said than done.

[hscoach]

Watching film has changed.  It is now specialized.   The D will break it down into favorite running plays, favorite passing play, formations, etc.  I would just about bet most of the running plays featured have TR in the backfield.    Bama, TR, or the OL may be tipping off where the ball is going.

[NancyLovesBama]

I think when you have a featured back like we do the defense looks for run first on every play. When the backup comes in the defense looks for something other than the run with the "star" on the sidelines. This happened when Coffee was backed up by Ingram, When Ingram was backed up by TR (twice) and now with TR backed up by Lacy.

This could be a great incentive for recruits and our continuing to land the cream of the crop knowing one does not have to be the "star" on a team that has a featured back.  Playing behind GC, MI 2008 SEC All-Freshman Team had a school record with touchdowns as the back-up.  Everyone in the football world knew about our TR when he was the back-up.  I could rave about him for hours.  The defense has missed the boat IMO when planning for our back-up running backs over the years and I am happy about it. Thank you so much.

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