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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2017, 02:47:11 PM »

The spread offense doesn't promote ball control.

This is true.  There is a balance between power and the spread.

That was evident against Washington and it cost us against Clemson.

Allowing 21 pts in the fourth quarter cost BAMA the Clemson game.


BAMA rushed for over 200yds and averaged more than 6yds/carry.

The loss of Scarborough during the game cannot be understated and placed all the pressure on Hurts.

Also, Eddie Jackson's absence  made the elevation of the uphill grade that much more steep.

I know that an anemic passing game had a lot to do with that, but I think we are still better suited to a power offensive game.

BAMA's passing game was most certainly anemic.

Clemson rushed for less than 100yds and threw for over 400yds.

Very "spread-like" offensive totals and scheme that beat BAMA.

I do believe that the behind the scenes coaching meltdown/implosion/ soap opera had a lot to do with the poor offensive performance in both games.


Coach Bryant said, "You lose one game for every freshman you play."

By his measure BAMA was lucky to have made it to the NC game.

He knew a little about football.


So, why do you not want 3 more SEC and 1 more National Championships?


Chill, RTR! 

I would certainly love 3 more SECC's and another Natty! But I think we have a better chance of doing that with a little more ground and pound. We won it the year before with King Henry running the heck out of the ball.

You mentioned the Bear. I believe he did a pretty good job of winning those with ball control offenses.

The spread has it's merits, I agree. But having an accurate passer is a must for that type of offense. If Hurts shows good improvement, or if Tua comes and and takes the job because he is more accurate, then I'm all good with it, because you can control TOP, even with a good game plan for the passing game.

However, we have not had the best of success at getting the most out of our 4 and 5 star QBs, and that is my fear. I very much hope I am proven wrong this upcoming season.



The 5*'s are the 4*'s are not playing up to their hype at all in the games like Clemson. No way a team should score on us with all this talent but it also comes down to play calling and using the talent you have at the right positions. I felt so horrible after that game I couldn't think straight. YES, we should have the NCG. RTR!
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2017, 05:19:50 PM »

The spread offense doesn't promote ball control.

This is true.  There is a balance between power and the spread.

That was evident against Washington and it cost us against Clemson.

Allowing 21 pts in the fourth quarter cost BAMA the Clemson game.


BAMA rushed for over 200yds and averaged more than 6yds/carry.

The loss of Scarborough during the game cannot be understated and placed all the pressure on Hurts.

Also, Eddie Jackson's absence  made the elevation of the uphill grade that much more steep.

I know that an anemic passing game had a lot to do with that, but I think we are still better suited to a power offensive game.

BAMA's passing game was most certainly anemic.

Clemson rushed for less than 100yds and threw for over 400yds.

Very "spread-like" offensive totals and scheme that beat BAMA.

I do believe that the behind the scenes coaching meltdown/implosion/ soap opera had a lot to do with the poor offensive performance in both games.


Coach Bryant said, "You lose one game for every freshman you play."

By his measure BAMA was lucky to have made it to the NC game.

He knew a little about football.


So, why do you not want 3 more SEC and 1 more National Championships?


Chill, RTR! 

I would certainly love 3 more SECC's and another Natty! But I think we have a better chance of doing that with a little more ground and pound. We won it the year before with King Henry running the heck out of the ball.

You mentioned the Bear. I believe he did a pretty good job of winning those with ball control offenses.

The spread has it's merits, I agree. But having an accurate passer is a must for that type of offense. If Hurts shows good improvement, or if Tua comes and and takes the job because he is more accurate, then I'm all good with it, because you can control TOP, even with a good game plan for the passing game.

However, we have not had the best of success at getting the most out of our 4 and 5 star QBs, and that is my fear. I very much hope I am proven wrong this upcoming season.



The 5*'s are the 4*'s are not playing up to their hype at all in the games like Clemson. No way a team should score on us with all this talent but it also comes down to play calling and using the talent you have at the right positions. I felt so horrible after that game I couldn't think straight. YES, we should have the NCG. RTR!

It wasn't the defense that wasn't playing  up to their potential.  A team can only play so many plays.  Look at how effective they were in the 1st half.  In the 2nd half the offense could not stay on the field long enough to give them a break.  One more offensive drive of several first downs, 4 or 5,, then the defense could have been a little more rested.  It may have also prevented enough time on the clock for Clemson to come back.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2017, 08:18:47 PM »

The spread offense doesn't promote ball control.

This is true.  There is a balance between power and the spread.

That was evident against Washington and it cost us against Clemson.

Allowing 21 pts in the fourth quarter cost BAMA the Clemson game.


BAMA rushed for over 200yds and averaged more than 6yds/carry.

The loss of Scarborough during the game cannot be understated and placed all the pressure on Hurts.

Also, Eddie Jackson's absence  made the elevation of the uphill grade that much more steep.

I know that an anemic passing game had a lot to do with that, but I think we are still better suited to a power offensive game.

BAMA's passing game was most certainly anemic.

Clemson rushed for less than 100yds and threw for over 400yds.

Very "spread-like" offensive totals and scheme that beat BAMA.

I do believe that the behind the scenes coaching meltdown/implosion/ soap opera had a lot to do with the poor offensive performance in both games.


Coach Bryant said, "You lose one game for every freshman you play."

By his measure BAMA was lucky to have made it to the NC game.

He knew a little about football.


So, why do you not want 3 more SEC and 1 more National Championships?


Chill, RTR! 

I would certainly love 3 more SECC's and another Natty! But I think we have a better chance of doing that with a little more ground and pound. We won it the year before with King Henry running the heck out of the ball.

You mentioned the Bear. I believe he did a pretty good job of winning those with ball control offenses.

The spread has it's merits, I agree. But having an accurate passer is a must for that type of offense. If Hurts shows good improvement, or if Tua comes and and takes the job because he is more accurate, then I'm all good with it, because you can control TOP, even with a good game plan for the passing game.

However, we have not had the best of success at getting the most out of our 4 and 5 star QBs, and that is my fear. I very much hope I am proven wrong this upcoming season.



The 5*'s are the 4*'s are not playing up to their hype at all in the games like Clemson. No way a team should score on us with all this talent but it also comes down to play calling and using the talent you have at the right positions. I felt so horrible after that game I couldn't think straight. YES, we should have the NCG. RTR!

It wasn't the defense that wasn't playing  up to their potential.  A team can only play so many plays.  Look at how effective they were in the 1st half.  In the 2nd half the offense could not stay on the field long enough to give them a break.  One more offensive drive of several first downs, 4 or 5,, then the defense could have been a little more rested.  It may have also prevented enough time on the clock for Clemson to come back.
I typically don't like playing the "what if" game but... I really believe that if our offense could have eliminated just one 3 and out that we would have won the game.  No way to know for sure but that is what I think...
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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2017, 07:31:30 AM »

Well either way we lost but I think we have a great chance to come back next and still be the only team to make the CFP every year. I believe the pick for our OC will need to be done quickly so we can get him ready for the Spring game. RTR!
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2017, 07:35:18 AM »

The spread offense doesn't promote ball control.

This is true.  There is a balance between power and the spread.

That was evident against Washington and it cost us against Clemson.

Allowing 21 pts in the fourth quarter cost BAMA the Clemson game.


BAMA rushed for over 200yds and averaged more than 6yds/carry.

The loss of Scarborough during the game cannot be understated and placed all the pressure on Hurts.

Also, Eddie Jackson's absence  made the elevation of the uphill grade that much more steep.

I know that an anemic passing game had a lot to do with that, but I think we are still better suited to a power offensive game.

BAMA's passing game was most certainly anemic.

Clemson rushed for less than 100yds and threw for over 400yds.

Very "spread-like" offensive totals and scheme that beat BAMA.

I do believe that the behind the scenes coaching meltdown/implosion/ soap opera had a lot to do with the poor offensive performance in both games.


Coach Bryant said, "You lose one game for every freshman you play."

By his measure BAMA was lucky to have made it to the NC game.

He knew a little about football.


So, why do you not want 3 more SEC and 1 more National Championships?


Chill, RTR! 

I would certainly love 3 more SECC's and another Natty! But I think we have a better chance of doing that with a little more ground and pound. We won it the year before with King Henry running the heck out of the ball.

You mentioned the Bear. I believe he did a pretty good job of winning those with ball control offenses.

The spread has it's merits, I agree. But having an accurate passer is a must for that type of offense. If Hurts shows good improvement, or if Tua comes and and takes the job because he is more accurate, then I'm all good with it, because you can control TOP, even with a good game plan for the passing game.

However, we have not had the best of success at getting the most out of our 4 and 5 star QBs, and that is my fear. I very much hope I am proven wrong this upcoming season.



The 5*'s are the 4*'s are not playing up to their hype at all in the games like Clemson. No way a team should score on us with all this talent but it also comes down to play calling and using the talent you have at the right positions. I felt so horrible after that game I couldn't think straight. YES, we should have the NCG. RTR!

It wasn't the defense that wasn't playing  up to their potential.  A team can only play so many plays.  Look at how effective they were in the 1st half.  In the 2nd half the offense could not stay on the field long enough to give them a break.  One more offensive drive of several first downs, 4 or 5,, then the defense could have been a little more rested.  It may have also prevented enough time on the clock for Clemson to come back.
HSC is correct.  The defense played too many plays.

A power rushing offense can only get so far, look at LSU.  There needs to be some threat downfield, to keep the DBs honest.  As a freshman, JH unfortunately was not developed as a passer.  Good defenses figured that out about Bama this year.  Bo getting hurt also was a game changer.

The only strategy change I can suggest is, when you have the No. 1 Defense in the country, don't be too hasty getting them on the field.  While playing "hurry up" on offense can sometimes give a team an advantage, it also increases the number of plays for the defense.  Slowing down the game, limiting the number of possessions, has been Bama's strategy in the past (currently used by Bama basketball).  I would like to see a return to that, let the defense carry the team until proven otherwise.



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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2017, 10:29:42 AM »

Cecil says it far better than I ever could.

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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2017, 01:02:49 PM »

Cecil says it far better than I ever could.

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Yes sir he said it all pretty much.  RTR!
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2017, 06:39:31 PM »

Cecil says it far better than I ever could.

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... leaving the question of what Nick Saban will do. The default answer - "whatever he wants" - is correct, but not revealing.

Brilliant line.  Maybe Kevin Scarbinsky can get a job as Cecil's intern.  Cecil could probably use someone to fetch his coffee.
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2017, 06:56:33 PM »

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... leaving the question of what Nick Saban will do. The default answer - "whatever he wants" - is correct, but not revealing.

Brilliant line.  Maybe Kevin Scarbinsky can get a job as Cecil's intern.  Cecil could probably use someone to fetch his coffee.


Ha ha ha  x 100 (Can you tell I don't know how to use the emoticons?)  Good one there Supercoach.
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2017, 10:05:24 AM »

The "spread" is not the "hurry up no huddle" offense.

In this modern era of football they seem to have become synonymous with one another.

Incorrectly so.

I can have 4 or 5 WRs and let the clock rundown to 2 or 3 seconds before every snap and give my defense plenty of rest.  If your receivers are bigger, stronger, and faster than their defender they are usually going to win. No matter how fast, or slow, you snap the ball.

The hurry up when employed as a fulltime offense is usually done to give an inferior offense an advantage against a superior defense.

However, the run needs the pass and the pass needs the run no matter the scheme.

Coach Bryant also said, "When you pass the ball three things can happen and only one of them is good."

I also agree that one less three-and-out would have secured the game, or the one drive that stalled and resulted in a field goal being a TD instead.  But, whatever.

Truthfully, with a freshman QB BAMA was lucky to be playing in the game at all.

Bring on Chip Kelly!


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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2017, 10:50:28 AM »

I have a feeling with the let down in the passing game this year as I see it, we will see a lot better passer coming in the starting game this next year. It will be a good time to learn to pass also because FSU make have a fair defense for us to turn up on this year. RTR!
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« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2017, 05:43:57 PM »


Coach Bryant also said, "When you pass the ball three things can happen and only one of them is good."




Watching the Super Bowl, it occurred to me that at least 4 things can happen when you pass:

1.  Interception
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« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2017, 07:26:38 PM »

Nooooooo!!!!  Puhleeze!  Not Chip Kelly.

Give me an OC who's thrilled to be at Bama and wants to stay for a long time and will work hard to do so.
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2017, 11:45:53 PM »

The "spread" is not the "hurry up no huddle" offense.

In this modern era of football they seem to have become synonymous with one another.

Incorrectly so.

I can have 4 or 5 WRs and let the clock rundown to 2 or 3 seconds before every snap and give my defense plenty of rest.  If your receivers are bigger, stronger, and faster than their defender they are usually going to win. No matter how fast, or slow, you snap the ball.

The hurry up when employed as a fulltime offense is usually done to give an inferior offense an advantage against a superior defense.

However, the run needs the pass and the pass needs the run no matter the scheme.

Coach Bryant also said, "When you pass the ball three things can happen and only one of them is good."

I also agree that one less three-and-out would have secured the game, or the one drive that stalled and resulted in a field goal being a TD instead.  But, whatever.

Truthfully, with a freshman QB BAMA was lucky to be playing in the game at all.

Bring on Chip Kelly!




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