ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials

[McBaman]

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Duke has to be seriously ticked off.  I wonder if SEC would EVER suspend officials for wrong calls and obvious penalties missed.

[2Stater]

As blatant as those (non) calls were, that crew should never officiate again.

[Marshal Dillon]

As blatant as those (non) calls were, that crew should never officiate again.

Bingo! It was so blatantly bad, missed blocks in the back, player's knee on the ground when he lateraled, etc. Several of them will "disappear" & never ref again.



 

[ALTideUp]

I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.

[2Stater]

I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.

You make a valid point, ATU, but as you can see in this gif, there are 2 officials looking directly at the play.

[ALTideUp]

So it seems indeed, 2. There's no defense against that. I believe both knees and Mr. Johnson were on the turf when the ball left his hand.

[SUPERCOACH]

I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.

I agree.  They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line.  Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one.  Some of the other blocks could have gone either way.  I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together.  We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion.

I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review.  If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys.

[SUPERCOACH]

I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.

You make a valid point, ATU, but as you can see in this gif, there are 2 officials looking directly at the play.

When I saw the play the first time at full speed I missed this too.  I put this one on the replay guys.

[Jamos]

Believe it or not but Auburn was called for an illegal receiver down field yesterday.

I agree with ATU that the refs have a lot of area to cover during a game but some of the missed calls are from refs standing 10 yards from the infraction as was in the video of the missed call last night and there were two of them. It amazes me that sometimes they are 30-40 yards from the infraction when they throw a flag and had no problem seeing that. In the argument that CNS has with the refs, illegal receivers downfield, another ref was added to the crew to stop this from happening and they still miss the call unless it's a Bama man downfield and then they see it. After the call on Auburn yesterday, maybe they will be more observant and throw the flag as they should on all the teams that violate the rule.

[2Stater]

I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.

I agree.  They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line.  Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one.  Some of the other blocks could have gone either way.  I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together.  We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion.

I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review.  If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys.

The block in the back flag was picked up AFTER the review. That penalty not reviewable.

[ricky023]

The here in lies though, after the suspensions and all the camera angles how big of a bowl does that cost Duke? Does Duke get a win in the win column? So to me the ref's control to much that's why we have replay to get it right.  JMHO. RTR!

[Jamos]

I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.

I agree.  They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line.  Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one.  Some of the other blocks could have gone either way.  I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together.  We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion.

I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review.  If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys.

The block in the back flag was picked up AFTER the review. That penalty not reviewable.

Not sure but I think the targeting penalty is the only one reviewable.

[2Stater]

I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.

I agree.  They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line.  Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one.  Some of the other blocks could have gone either way.  I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together.  We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion.

I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review.  If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys.

The block in the back flag was picked up AFTER the review. That penalty not reviewable.

Not sure but I think the targeting penalty is the only one reviewable.

That is correct, J.

[SUPERCOACH]

I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.

I agree.  They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line.  Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one.  Some of the other blocks could have gone either way.  I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together.  We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion.

I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review.  If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys.

The block in the back flag was picked up AFTER the review. That penalty not reviewable.

It was picked up after the review, but the explanation that I heard was that it was picked up because of the refs on the field huddling together and deciding the particular block that was flagged was OK, not because of it being overturned during the review.

I wonder if the league office has an audio feed of what was being said on the headsets between the refs.  If they did indeed overturn the block in the back because of the review they should all be fired because that is clearly not allowed.

[Catch Prothro]

I wonder if the league office has an audio feed of what was being said on the headsets between the refs.  If they did indeed overturn the block in the back because of the review they should all be fired because that is clearly not allowed.

Supposedly there were no headset discussions with the replay refs on the block in the back call --  the call was discussed on the field and it was decided to be a legit block.  But that means there were two or three blocks-in-the-back that were missed on the play.

The video replay refs should have gotten the call correct on the knee down.  For the on-field refs, it was harder to be sure at full speed during game action with so much else going on.  I think the field refs  were mostly watching to make sure the passes weren't forward ones.

Not sure how no one caught the extra Miami player running down the field without a helmet.   

And the field ref sounded completely confused about what had happened and what was being reviewed. 

Overall, some of the poorest officiating I've seen.

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