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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2011, 09:52:05 PM »

Day two was a lot more time "moving and shooting." Rescuing down SWAT members as well as bad guys. LOTS of team dynamics.


Scenario example: Bank Robbery just occurred.  Patrol officers chased  bad guys into a warehouse. Patrol established a parameter, so both suspects believed to be inside. The point man was a veteran SWAT officer, who, of course gets shot while we are inside. We wound up with one down officer, and two down bad guys.
 
 Also had a room with multiple booby traps. Including one that shoots a 12 ga shot gun shell at the crotch of the entry guy, as soon as the door is opened.  Shocked
 
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2011, 11:02:12 PM »

Day two was a lot more time "moving and shooting." Rescuing down SWAT members as well as bad guys. LOTS of team dynamics.


Scenario example: Bank Robbery just occurred.  Patrol officers chased  bad guys into a warehouse. Patrol established a parameter, so both suspects believed to be inside. The point man was a veteran SWAT officer, who, of course gets shot while we are inside. We wound up with one down officer, and two down bad guys.
 
 Also had a room with multiple booby traps. Including one that shoots a 12 ga shot gun shell at the crotch of the entry guy, as soon as the door is opened.  Shocked
 
Did you have to be the entry guy? 'Cause we can't have a neutered President.
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2011, 10:10:28 AM »

No, luckily, I was "rear security" on that one. ( Guarding the hallway so no pulled a surprise attack from behind).  I was not there for the shotgun blast, the dumping of the flaming gasoline, or the pipe bomb.

  I was entry and wound up being the shooter of the guy who had the gun to his head. While he was talking he flicked his gun had wrist, so the gun went from pointing at his head, to at me. I tapped him 3 times with an air-soft. 1 to center chest 2 to upper  chest.

This class certainly posed some interesting questions.

Like if you are going into a building with an active shooter ( think Virginia Tech) and there are wounded laying there, do you ( as the medic) peel off to help the wounded civilians, or continue with the team?
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2011, 10:19:42 AM »

No, luckily, I was "rear security" on that one. ( Guarding the hallway so no pulled a surprise attack from behind).  I was not there for the shotgun blast, the dumping of the flaming gasoline, or the pipe bomb.

  I was entry and wound up being the shooter of the guy who had the gun to his head. While he was talking he flicked his gun had wrist, so the gun went from pointing at his head, to at me. I tapped him 3 times with an air-soft. 1 to center chest 2 to upper  chest.

This class certainly posed some interesting questions.

Like if you are going into a building with an active shooter ( think Virginia Tech) and there are wounded laying there, do you ( as the medic) peel off to help the wounded civilians, or continue with the team?
I'll take a shot (no swat pun intended) at it. You stick with the team. Someone else will be following to triage the civilians, but you are a necessary component of the "strike" team and cannot fall behind.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2011, 10:27:43 AM »

Man, we pray for the safety of all you guys. We thank you for trying to protect the Public. RTR!
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2011, 10:31:46 AM »

No, luckily, I was "rear security" on that one. ( Guarding the hallway so no pulled a surprise attack from behind).  I was not there for the shotgun blast, the dumping of the flaming gasoline, or the pipe bomb.

  I was entry and wound up being the shooter of the guy who had the gun to his head. While he was talking he flicked his gun had wrist, so the gun went from pointing at his head, to at me. I tapped him 3 times with an air-soft. 1 to center chest 2 to upper  chest.

This class certainly posed some interesting questions.

Like if you are going into a building with an active shooter ( think Virginia Tech) and there are wounded laying there, do you ( as the medic) peel off to help the wounded civilians, or continue with the team?
I'll take a shot (no swat pun intended) at it. You stick with the team. Someone else will be following to triage the civilians, but you are a necessary component of the "strike" team and cannot fall behind.

That would be a really tough choice, especially if it was a kid.  I would probably stay with the kid if there was some hope of saving them.  On the other hand, I would be highly motivated to go and implant one of those devices that allows people to speak to God in the shooters head.


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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2011, 10:32:15 AM »

No, luckily, I was "rear security" on that one. ( Guarding the hallway so no pulled a surprise attack from behind).  I was not there for the shotgun blast, the dumping of the flaming gasoline, or the pipe bomb.

  I was entry and wound up being the shooter of the guy who had the gun to his head. While he was talking he flicked his gun had wrist, so the gun went from pointing at his head, to at me. I tapped him 3 times with an air-soft. 1 to center chest 2 to upper  chest.

This class certainly posed some interesting questions.

Like if you are going into a building with an active shooter ( think Virginia Tech) and there are wounded laying there, do you ( as the medic) peel off to help the wounded civilians, or continue with the team?
I'll take a shot (no swat pun intended) at it. You stick with the team. Someone else will be following to triage the civilians, but you are a necessary component of the "strike" team and cannot fall behind.
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2011, 10:33:18 AM »

Pretty much it. The only way I stay behind is if I can establish a relatively safe " Casualty Collection Area." That would include having 2-3 shooters with me just for cover.

The problem is, no else is coming in until you establish that building, or at least thatpart of it "safe." And no one wants to take that responsibility until they know the shooter is out of the equation, or every nook and cranny and void has been searched. During this time, some people may die. It's a very hard call, but one thta must be made

  Now, one of our instructors ( God Bless her  Kiss) told us about one team that had a very innovative tactic for this. The last person in the stack carries a duffle bag. Inside the duffle bag is roughly 100 zip locks. The zip locks have white curlex, (thick gauze bandaging material) purple Coban,  ( Coban is a stretchy bandaging material that sticks to its self) and instructions. The instructions read, " Put the white stuff, on the red stuff, then wrap with the purple stuff. we WILL be back to get you).  As the team passes wounded people the last guy in the stack tosses these zip lock bags out to the injured.

I like it.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2011, 10:36:00 AM »

Pretty much it. The only way I stay behind is if I can establish a relatively safe " Casualty Collection Area." That would include having 2-3 shooters with me just for cover.

The problem is, no else is coming in until you establish that building, or at least thatpart of it "safe." And no one wants to take that responsibility until they know the shooter is out of the equation, or every nook and cranny and void has been searched. During this time, some people may die. It's a very hard call, but one thta must be made

  Now, one of our instructors ( God Bless her  Kiss) told us about one team that had a very innovative tactic for this. The last person in the stack carries a duffle bag. Inside the duffle bag is roughly 100 zip locks. The zip locks have white curlex, (thick gauze bandaging material) purple Coban,  ( Coban is a stretchy bandaging material that sticks to its self) and instructions. The instructions read, " Put the white stuff, on the red stuff, then wrap with the purple stuff. we WILL be back to get you).  As the team passes wounded people the last guy in the stack tosses these zip lock bags out to the injured.

I like it.


That is a great idea.
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2011, 10:41:46 AM »

Another thing, ( which I already knew about, but this class re-enforced it). Tourniquets are making a huge come back. This is a direct result of injuires from injuries in Iraq, and Afganistan.
  I will explain more ( if anyone would care for me to) later on.
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2011, 10:50:09 AM »

I had a buddy cut some fingers off (power saw), so they tied a tournaquet. I asked if they had to keep loosening it so as not to deprive the arm of blood for too long. He said the blood stopped flowing (pulsing out with heartbeat) and quickly cauterized once they reduced the flow by using a piece of cloth and a stick.
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2011, 10:56:35 AM »

How often is the S.W.A.T. team needed in Dothan?
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2011, 11:07:47 AM »

How often is the S.W.A.T. team needed in Dothan?
Aunt Pearl is a force to be reckoned with.
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2011, 11:15:19 AM »

How often is the S.W.A.T. team needed in Dothan?
Aunt Pearl is a force to be reckoned with.

WV you should not make jokes at the SWAT team's expense. This must be a serious problem to justify taking Rueben away from his grass cutting duties at the station.
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2011, 11:52:20 AM »

How often is the S.W.A.T. team needed in Dothan?
Aunt Pearl is a force to be reckoned with.

WV you should not make jokes at the SWAT team's expense. This must be a serious problem to justify taking Rueben away from his grass cutting duties at the station.
They put him out in the open where he might get picked off(Aunt Pearl)? Shocked
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