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Guilty or Not Guilty? I say guilty!

Haven't followed the trial.  If guilty though I hope she thinks about what she did to that beautiful little girl every day for the rest of her life, behind bars.

Guilty

Guilty.

I have followed some of the trial and most of the closing arguments.  I found the prosecution's close to be much more effective than the defenses'.

This makes it simple to me:
Casey says Caylee is with her.
Casey lies to everyone for 31 days about where Caylee is.
Casey out partying and having fun - gets tattoo which says "Bella Vita" ( good life)
Casey only family member who knows where her car is.  Car is towed and parents called.
Tow owner says car smells like someone dead in it.  Cindy (Casey's mother) calls 911 and hysterically tells the police about the car.
When confronted by her mother who demands to see granddaughter, Casey tells her that Zanny (fictional) has kidnapped her and she has been conducting her own investigation.

1.  Pattern of lies
2.  Only one who benefits from Caylee's murder (if not caught)
3.  All items found with Caylee's body have been in Casey's possession and some only in her possession.
4.  Caylee was getting old enough to tell her grandparents where she really was.  Casey's lies would have gone up in smoke. (No job, no nanny - just living with boyfriend).
5.  Her parents insisted that she raise her child and would not accept custody although they were happy to have her live there. 
6.  Grandparents showered Caylee with toys, clothes, affection, etc.  In their backyard were a number of children's toys including the playhouse which her grandfather had place a concrete pad under so she wouldn't get bugs on her.
7.  Caylee's skeleton was found in a laundry bag.  She had THREE pieces of duct tape under her chin and over her nose and mouth.  She had maggots crawling on her and her flesh was gone and some bones removed by animals.  Her body was found where trash was dumped.
Whoever killed Caylee had to be a lying psychopath.  Exhibit A: the defendant - Casey Anthony.

You should take the bar exam. Just tell them you wanna challenge the test!!! #+

Do I find her guilty or will the jury find her guilty? What level of guilt-- on what charges will she be found guilty or innocent?

On your layman's level, for the purpose of this thread, - I think she is guilty but will not be convicted, except on the various charges of lying to the cops or false statements. Hung jury on the murder charges.

I believe she is guilty of murder in the first degree.  Premeditated murder.  

I think the jury will find her guilty in the first degree (highest murder charge).  I agree though...that it could end up being a hung jury.  Some news people are saying that one juror (#5) could be sympathetic to Casey and give her benefit of doubt.  

Then I say send juror #5 to prison with her. She's guilty of 1st degree.....period!

I think she is guilty.

Although I think she gets manslaughter and years in prison without parole.

This trial had to much Prosecutor against Defense lawyer. It was a TV sitcome rather than a trial.

This judge was very cool under pressure but he didn not take take charge the way I thought he should have.

This one sick lady, she needs help from some mental instituion and I say this because I don't think they will come back with  Premeditated because of a couple of jurors.

Right now this is what I see.
RTR!

Jury did not do their job. I can see them not charging 1st degree, but giving her felony murder with manslaughter charge. They let her walk. They let her off of killing her baby.


 :'(

Man, that BAMAWV is one smart cookie. I'm going to start reading his posts more often!

 #+ BAMAWV is my hero. He is the smartest poster I know.

I was very surprised at the verdict.  BAMAWV was right. #+

Well, evidently the State of Florida did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt to this jury.  I watched how the defense took apart every theory the State proposed and introduced doubt.  Still, I thought Casey would be convicted.

Jose Baez probably has a great career ahead.  Some people are calling him brilliant. He had very little experience before this trial, and Casey found him through a fellow prisoner's reference. He has lived in poverty the last three years to dedicate himself to this case.    

I gave WV a # for being right, but my heart is broken for that little girl. She was murdered by her mother who will rot in hell, but there is no justice for Kaylee. I hope the jurors struggle with their decision for the rest of their lives.  :(

I respectfully disagree.  The laws are cut and dried.  The jurors followed the laws.  The prosecution did not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.  The jurors have to follow this law so that innocent people will not be convicted.  They cannot blame themselves.


It was telling that Casey's parents walked out of the courtroom just after the verdict instead of going up to Casey and hugging her.  It is so obvious that she had something to do with the murder.  Her parents know she did.

A big deal was made that the "reasonable doubt" came about because all the evidence was circumstantial. Circumstantial evidence CAN'T be dismissed or downplayed, because it is as important as physical evidence when there is enough of it, and there was more than enough to convict her.

 

It's sad and a terrible shame.  Not even enough words.

I think Casey will meet the same kinds of fate as O.J. Simpson and others like him.  She will live a tormented life and won't have any peace or real happiness. That's worse than dying really.

I agree CP. The worst thing is that she will be wealthy as a result of book and movie deals. I hope she chokes on that money.

I had already decided she was quilty from three years of Fox News reports. I still believe she is quilty. I did not watch the the two month trial but I did see some of the closing argument presented by the prosecution this weekend. If the prosecution did as bad a job during the trial as they did with the closing argument I can see how the murderer got off. In my opinion justice was not served today.

Amen brother. No vindication of any kind for Kaylee Anthony.

Unless someone pulls a Goldman family here and files civil suit, prohibiting her from profiting off of the child she murdered.

Unfortunately, no other family was affected to step in and file that suit. I hope maybe someone will step up to do that anyway.

I believe that someone as evil as Casey Anthony appears to be will meet with misfortune in other ways.  She will attract it.

I see here one thing, when 12 of your piers find you not guilty in America the person is still guilty. Why? Because nobody likes how they picked it to go.
What should we do to get our Justice system right? Should we ask at the jury selection do you think the party is guilty? If they say yes, ok that is who we want, so then every party no matter who she or he was would be guilty no use for court.
What if you here was in court you would be automatically innocent right? So 12 of your piers would be wrong no matter if they had a picture of proof.
So my question is what should we do in Amercia, should we do it like 3rd world countries?
This woman has to live with it or not with it, for the rest of her life. Should not the State have proved their case if they didn't should we shoot them?
I do believe from heart those 12 jurors saw it a lot more closely than any of us. I believe from what I hear as the counts was read, they got it right. How can I doubt them?
rtr!

I agree with you in principle, ricky, but I do still think there was enough evidence to convict, from what I understand. I still think that one of the elders at my church has got the right idea, that we should be leaning much more on biblical jurisprudence, where at one time it was enough to have two witnesses agree to observing the infraction in question. Obviously the Bible has many more rules regarding the legal system (see Leviticus and Deuteronomy), but if such a mandate satisfied the Lord's justice, then it should men as well.

I think the prosecution did not prove "murder" over "accident" beyond a reasonable doubt.  

How can you convict someone of murder if you are not 100 percent sure there was a murder?  The body could have been disposed of after a fatal accident.  The duct tape doesn't make that likely....but who will ever know what really happened.  

^^^This^^^. You are exactly right!

I'll PM you.

Now here is something I can believe in, is Biblical Law and it would all be solved. RTR!

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Good article from this morning about Casey's financial future.  Also says she will have to be careful for a while when going out in public.  People are angry.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011620/Casey-Anthony-verdict-Not-guilty-mother-make-fortune-media-interviews.html

In the opinion of the jury she was found not guilty of murder, but in the opinion of the public she is very guilty of that child being dead if nothing else by neglect. She will find that public opinion can be a very dangerous and damning thing and her misery has just begun.

We have one problem as I have said before the public was not the jury. We have to respect what the jury did or throw out our trial law as we know it. Which do you think will be the best? RTR!

First, Casey Anthony is guilty, the jury just didn't convict! Second, the jurors were obviously clueless or dumber than dirt.

But I think the problem with this trial and others is that so many of us have watched the TV shows and expect everything to be like CSI Miami. The police find a scrap of evidence and develop a perfect history of the entire case within one day. Unfortunately, that's just not the way things work, but I fear the average juror believes it is true.

Now you may be right about TV. NCIS, CSI, House, Matlock, these things are fixed but as you people believe. RTR!

They needed Nancy Grace to submit the prosecution evidence. That b**** would have gotten a conviction.

Casey Anthony's defense team must have planted enough doubt in the jury's mind. I felt the evidnece was overwhelming for a conviction of murder 1.

An alternate juror stated that she believed George Anthony to be a liar and bought into the drowning in the pool accident. Really?  Really?

Evidently the jury was not able to put all the pieces together like DA Jeff Ashton did during closing arguments. If anyone listened to DA Ashton Sunday morning, you got an accurate presentation of how Casey murdered her daughter.

Also if you listened to the other prosecutor in closing, there is no doubt who killed Caylee.
I listened to most of this hearing. I missed very little and came away just knowing the jury would give Casey death.


I guess nowadays, a video of Casey committing the crime may have not been enough to convict.

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I was not nearly as surprised by the verdict as most seem to be.  Whether she's guilty or not, the state did not prove her to be beyond a reasonable doubt.  JMHO.

I keep hearing this, and I don't know whether they did or not since I didn't watch any of trial. But even if I think she is guilty (which I do), if the prosecution was unable to present a believable case, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

I think the prosecution did prove beyond reasonable doubt. They didn't prove beyond a shadow of doubt, which is what the jury wanted before they put poor lil' white gurl on death row.

It's amazing that people seem to have no faith in the 12 person jury at all.  They are the 12 most informed and unbiased judges (they had no news coverage, just the case as presented) selected by a combination of the prosecution and defense...give them a little credit. 

 Would you really want the fate of the rest of your life, decided by one?

I hope to never be in such a precarious situation, but I'd much rather the jury in the courtroom be by judge than public opinion.

troo dat.

According to this, the jurors decided the verdict according to the laws rather than their emotions.  It looks like many of them believed that Casey was guilty of killing her child...but there simply was not enough evidence to convict her.

Casey Anthony Juror: "Sick to Our Stomachs' Over Not Guilty Verdict."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_anthony_trial/casey-anthony-juror-sick-stomach-guilty-verdict/story?id=14005609

Thats makes the most sense I have heard yet.

Knock, knock.

Who's there?

Casey Anthony.

awww,,she was found innocent. RTR!

I'll continue......Casey Anthony who?





Congratulations, you're on the jury.

I agree. I watched little more than necessary from surfing through channels. However, I did watch the closing arguments. From that it was clear the state had not tied this women to the death of the child, nor really proved this was even a murder.  I think that the real smart people, that are certain they know what happened, have allowed themselves to be conditioned by the talking heads on TV. People need to think for themselves.

But Nancy Grace said she it it.  :-\

JMHO!
This is what I think. There was more than enough evidence to convict Anthony. A guilty verdict was what everyone expected and all the talking heads on court TV shows thought that it would be a guilty verdict.

So the jury knowing a not guilty verdict would cause an uproar and all the jury members would be swamped for interviews and possible book deals, future movie deals, etc. voted like they did.

A meal ticket so to speak.

They could have voted guilty on at least manslaughter felony.


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All twelve got together and agreed on this? Nevermind. I am sure you're joking.

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Lol! I found this over at WA.

FOX just announced that Casey will walk out of jail...a free woman...on July 13th.  That is next Wednesday.

Thanks for the update.  I honestly expected her to walk away free today.

Is she going to be really free? Does she know she did it or does she know who did it if not her? What kind of freedom will she walk with, so now I ask you what is harder on her, facing all the daily people or being poked away in some jail in privacy being honored by inmates as a killer? RTR!

Me too Hannibal.  The judge was as firm in his punishment as he could be.  I was impressed with him in the courtroom and believe he will keep climbing the legal ladder.  Did you know he graduated from Tuskegee here in Alabama before going to law school in Texas?  His biography doesn't mention whether he was born in Alabama.  

Anyway, he gave Casey 1 year for each of the 4 counts of lying to the police.  After the days were subtracted for the almost three years she already served, and by days of good behavior, etc. It added up to about a week of more jail time.  The prison system did the subtractions, not the judge.  All he did was give her the maximum sentences for lying.

Preacher, even prison inmates hate child killers. Believe me, they would NOT honor her.

You may be right, they might not. I don't know. I sure know she won't find out now. RTR!

Just think she can have More children....now that is the Real scary truth. >:(

Not on this one, anyway. As #1 Crimson just pointed out, she can and most likely will have more children. That's what worries me.

I just accidentally stumbled onto this link while searching for something else.  I have been telling Kokopuf I would love to see a chronology of what Casey was doing and what was happening during the 31 days.  Well, here it is.  If this is factual, and there appear to be records supporting it, it will make your blood run cold.  Too bad the jurors didn't get to see or hear this.  The extent of Casey Anthony's ability to lie and be believed is overwhelming.

Warning:  If you go day by day, it will take awhile to read; however, you will see that Cindy and George are completely exonerated and that the defense based its case on a series of lies. Also, if you click on individual entries you can see enlarged views.  Read Cindy Anthony's "my space" entry of July 3rd. and weep.

Little Angel Caylee got NO justice.

http://www.stinkingenius.com/casey-anthony-31-days-timeline/ (http://www.stinkingenius.com/casey-anthony-31-days-timeline/)

I'm not a lawyer or a judge but I believe that casey just got away with murder. One of the jurors said that if the charge hadn't been 1st degree, they probably would've convicted her.  They HAD the option to convict for less than 1st degree.
I'm just shocked that they deliberated 10 hours, never asked for clarification of anything nor to review evidence - just unbelievable.

  One of the jurors talked about how much it hurt them to let her go. That even thought they could not convict her, none felt that she was innocent.

 #+ Hammer, meet nail head!

Taking what Terrie said into consideration, (and I am not one to fold tinfoil hats, by the way) but something smells here. And it ain't the public bathrooms at the barn.

The jury was not bound to only a guilty verdict for 1st degree murder. They could have gone for 2nd, 3rd or manslaughter. The ignorant bastids went for none of the above.

This type of rhetoric may end up getting these law abiding citizens hurt. You can only begin to judge if you heard every bit of the trial and sequestered yourself from outside influences. But if you are basing your personal verdict on the nightly recap by Nancy Grace, you may wish to rethink your admonishment of a group of civic minded Americans that did not shirk jury duty, but instead gave a month of their life to our judicial process.

Nancy Grace is a vile, vile person.

Nancy who?

What you have pointed out here is correct. It's the American judicial system at work, the way it was designed, 12 jurors making the decision and they did indeed make their decision. I just don't happen to agree with it and as a result have voiced my feelings, but as a wise man once said on this forum, "It's time to let it go", so I'll have nothing more to say on the subject.

:-X

Shep on FOX just said that a video (made in December 2008)will soon be released of Casey Anthony being told that little Caylee’s body had been found. This evidence was locked away during the trial because it would have been too inflammatory.

Today, juror #12 quit her job and has left the state of Florida due to the intense reactions of her co-workers.  Her husband doesn't know when she is coming back.

Wow on both accounts. Even though I question the decision they made, those 12 people had a tough job to do and it is sad commentary on our society to see someone who was just doing their civic duty have to quit their job and move due to such backlash. I feel for the lady and hope this nonsensical reaction toward her and the other jurors subsides soon.

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