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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2016, 03:21:00 PM »

What happened to us in the red zone in the 1st half?  We need to get better there before the playoffs.

I don't know if they gave some different looks or just overplayed the run and expected the rush to get to Hurts.  I do know there was one where they probably should have been a timeout call, but went ahead and ran the play anyway.  They were ready for the Hurts runs in the red zone.

The first 2 times in the red zone, we were playing fast pace and were very successful with the run, but slowed the pace way down and went to passing the ball. It gave A&M time to catch up to the speed of the game. That's why we ended up with FGs instead of TDs.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2016, 04:22:10 PM »

What happened to us in the red zone in the 1st half?  We need to get better there before the playoffs.

I don't know if they gave some different looks or just overplayed the run and expected the rush to get to Hurts.  I do know there was one where they probably should have been a timeout call, but went ahead and ran the play anyway.  They were ready for the Hurts runs in the red zone.

The first 2 times in the red zone, we were playing fast pace and were very successful with the run, but slowed the pace way down and went to passing the ball. It gave A&M time to catch up to the speed of the game. That's why we ended up with FGs instead of TDs.
Bama's fast pace had the Aggies reeling.  Unfortunately, that fast pace can also cause mistakes on offense, and that seemed to happen with Bama's first drives.  Players were out of position and confused.  Should have called a timeout to regroup.
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2016, 05:19:07 PM »

What happened to us in the red zone in the 1st half?  We need to get better there before the playoffs.

I don't know if they gave some different looks or just overplayed the run and expected the rush to get to Hurts.  I do know there was one where they probably should have been a timeout call, but went ahead and ran the play anyway.  They were ready for the Hurts runs in the red zone.

The first 2 times in the red zone, we were playing fast pace and were very successful with the run, but slowed the pace way down and went to passing the ball. It gave A&M time to catch up to the speed of the game. That's why we ended up with FGs instead of TDs.
Bama's fast pace had the Aggies reeling.  Unfortunately, that fast pace can also cause mistakes on offense, and that seemed to happen with Bama's first drives.  Players were out of position and confused.  Should have called a timeout to regroup.

True, and we were doing everything right until we got to the red zone. I think a simple handoff up the middle, Darby style, would have produced better results.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2016, 05:51:19 PM »

Memo to CLK:  If it ain't broke...don't fix it.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2016, 07:40:55 PM »

Memo to CLK:  If it ain't broke...don't fix it.



 Applause E-Cred, well said McBaman. RTR!
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2016, 05:25:59 AM »

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True, and we were doing everything right until we got to the red zone. I think a simple handoff up the middle, Darby style, would have produced better results.

Heard a discussion via Sirius Radio yesterday.  They were explaining that coaches spend many hours looking at defenses and defensive tendencies the week preceding a game, so the coaches have a list of plays that work in the red zone.  The defense also has plays to counter this, and A&M had 2 weeks to prepare for our tendencies.

ALL of us expected Hurts to run the ball in the red zone.  So did A&M.  But NONE of us knows the complexity of what else Kiffin had among his plans, what the defense did differently, how the refs allowed/didn't allow hand checking, and such. 

When the Aggie defense moved another player up to show a 5-6 man line in the red zone, we shifted to a series of pass options and outside runs.  It's not as simple as we'd like to think.   
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2016, 06:54:12 AM »

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True, and we were doing everything right until we got to the red zone. I think a simple handoff up the middle, Darby style, would have produced better results.

Heard a discussion via Sirius Radio yesterday.  They were explaining that coaches spend many hours looking at defenses and defensive tendencies the week preceding a game, so the coaches have a list of plays that work in the red zone.  The defense also has plays to counter this, and A&M had 2 weeks to prepare for our tendencies.

ALL of us expected Hurts to run the ball in the red zone.  So did A&M.  But NONE of us knows the complexity of what else Kiffin had among his plans, what the defense did differently, how the refs allowed/didn't allow hand checking, and such. 

When the Aggie defense moved another player up to show a 5-6 man line in the red zone, we shifted to a series of pass options and outside runs.  It's not as simple as we'd like to think.   



Looks pretty simple to me. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2016, 07:34:32 AM »

I have to say it looked simple to me but I am outside looking in so I don't know all these factors you mention. I know between the 25 yard line each way we moved the ball and Damien got caught a couple of times when I thought he could have out run the defender. I then read what CNS said, that he had some leg injuries so that could have slowed him. RTR!
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2016, 03:13:10 PM »

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True, and we were doing everything right until we got to the red zone. I think a simple handoff up the middle, Darby style, would have produced better results.

Heard a discussion via Sirius Radio yesterday.  They were explaining that coaches spend many hours looking at defenses and defensive tendencies the week preceding a game, so the coaches have a list of plays that work in the red zone.  The defense also has plays to counter this, and A&M had 2 weeks to prepare for our tendencies.

ALL of us expected Hurts to run the ball in the red zone.  So did A&M.  But NONE of us knows the complexity of what else Kiffin had among his plans, what the defense did differently, how the refs allowed/didn't allow hand checking, and such. 

When the Aggie defense moved another player up to show a 5-6 man line in the red zone, we shifted to a series of pass options and outside runs.  It's not as simple as we'd like to think.   



Looks pretty simple to me. 

This is true.  However it is done the days before practice for the week because they have to put the game plan in.  Let me just give you some things to think about.  As a defensive coach you look at the formations of the opposition.  You then have to look at which ones they run the most because you may not have to work on every one of them.  You look at what plays they run on each down out of those formations.  You also have to consider the down and distance.  It is usually divided up into 1st and long, 2nd and long, medium, and short, 3rd and long, medium and short.  The coaches also have to consider which hash they are on as well as which part of the field they are on.  You have to develop the game plan and practice against the top formations and plays. 
On offense you do basically the same thing.  How is the defense going to line up against certain formations.  Which downs do they blitz on?  Do they play field or hash?  What coverages do they run against each formation?  How does the defense change in different parts of the field, defensive 1/3, middle 1/3, and red zone.  You also have to look  at substitution packages.  Do they do certain thing with those packages.

The good thing is that is done by computer now.
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2016, 05:32:53 PM »

Good job coach. One question: on the third down play before the Ags first TD when Knight had the big run on the read option, who blew that assignment? Was it Eddie Jackson? Looks like he got sucked into the fake and that caused the hole to open up pretty big.
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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2016, 06:33:27 PM »

Good job coach. One question: on the third down play before the Ags first TD when Knight had the big run on the read option, who blew that assignment? Was it Eddie Jackson? Looks like he got sucked into the fake and that caused the hole to open up pretty big.

Not know what their rules are according to coverage I really don't know.  My thoughts are this.  First the DL went to far down inside before making sure the ball did not go wide.  Second I would bet Jackson had the ally to take care of if they broke contain.  Hope this makes sense.
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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2016, 10:01:17 PM »

First trip in the red zone at around the 10.  On first down A&M has the box loaded and they are ready for the QB run.  Bama actually lost about a 1/2 yard.  Second down, On second down, Bama has confusion, again the box is loaded and numbers tell you a pass play should be the call.  Third down they are trying to run a screen but it is sniffed out by Garrett.  The announcers call it a QB draw but it is supposed to be a screen.

Second trip:  first down on the 9 6 in the box with the safety rolled up short pass play to Howard with a loss on the play.  Second down from the 11 with basically 7 in the box, one is responsible for Howard.  QB run stretched out for basically no gain  Third and goal from the 11  It looks like man free.  It ends up being straight man with a spy on Hurts.  Harris ends up having to block Garrett and doesn't cut him and he rushes the throw. 

Third trip: First down on about the 15 and Bama puts trips into the boundary and A&M leaves 5 in the box.  This dictates run which Bama does with the QB.  Second and 1 A&M has 6 1/2 in the box but one is responsible for the rec.  Again this dictates run and Bama does getting a first down.  Now first and 5 at the 5.  TD pass to Howard off of play action.  Defensive formation has 7 1/2 in the box and this would dictate pass.
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2016, 04:24:11 AM »

HS Coach:  Do you know who we have to thank for being the first SEC HC to use a computer to break down opposing teams tendencies?  Hint: goes back to the late 60's.

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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2016, 05:14:01 AM »

First trip in the red zone at around the 10.  On first down A&M has the box loaded and they are ready for the QB run.  Bama actually lost about a 1/2 yard.  Second down, On second down, Bama has confusion, again the box is loaded and numbers tell you a pass play should be the call.  Third down they are trying to run a screen but it is sniffed out by Garrett.  The announcers call it a QB draw but it is supposed to be a screen.

Second trip:  first down on the 9 6 in the box with the safety rolled up short pass play to Howard with a loss on the play.  Second down from the 11 with basically 7 in the box, one is responsible for Howard.  QB run stretched out for basically no gain  Third and goal from the 11  It looks like man free.  It ends up being straight man with a spy on Hurts.  Harris ends up having to block Garrett and doesn't cut him and he rushes the throw. 

Third trip: First down on about the 15 and Bama puts trips into the boundary and A&M leaves 5 in the box.  This dictates run which Bama does with the QB.  Second and 1 A&M has 6 1/2 in the box but one is responsible for the rec.  Again this dictates run and Bama does getting a first down.  Now first and 5 at the 5.  TD pass to Howard off of play action.  Defensive formation has 7 1/2 in the box and this would dictate pass.

 Applause E-Cred  Excellent, coach.  I enjoyed seeing this analysis as much as the overall.  It's a real chess match for Kiffin on these plays.
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2016, 08:44:09 AM »

HS Coach:  Do you know who we have to thank for being the first SEC HC to use a computer to break down opposing teams tendencies?  Hint: goes back to the late 60's.



Honestly, I don't.  Was it the Bear?
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