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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2015, 06:12:24 PM »

Bama is making the move - and I don't think it is any doubt it's gonna happen - 1 year too late. I think Bruce Pearl would have come to Bama in a heart beat.

boogerU and Pearl deserve each other.

I would like to see a former pro-coach.  Phil Jackson.



Jackson is 69 years old and is paid $12 mil a year by the Knicks. We may as well try for Coach K.


 

Shows how much I keep up with the NBA.

I would prefer Pat Riley anyway.

I do think that there are most likely some former NBA coaches that have decent records that might be interested in a college gig at a state flagship university.

I am all for a small college head coach, or an assistant from a D1 school.

However, I think that a coach  with professional level experience would able to draw recruits and have experience at working within a large organization.

Like I said, I am willing to give a high school coach a shot.

I frankly do not care who it is, or where they come are currently working.

Just having an actual coach would be an improvement.



Pat Riley is around 70 years old & makes around $9 mil with the Heat. Red Auerbach is dead & KC Jones is over 80, so don't pick them either.










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I personally do not see salary, or age of a coach, being an issue.

Like I said, I do not watch the NBA.

You seem to be on top of it.

I named my two choices.  

Can you think of some former, or current, NBA coaches (head or assistant) that are realistic possibilities and who would be a good fit for the program?

 
 
 



I don't follow the NBA as closely as once but I know Jackson played for the Knicks around 1970 & Riley play for the Lakers at the same time so I knew they were old. I am totally against hiring an assistant coach at any level. We need to be looking at a proven coach at the college level, like the mid majors. As I stated on another thread, Coach K went from Army to a dead Duke program, Bruce Pearl from Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Billy Donovan from Marshall to Florida, & so on.

Right now, I have not researched coaches who may be available. Teams I would look at include Dayton (Archie Miller), Xavier, Northern Iowa, Murray St., Wofford, & others. Besides Coach Miller, I don't know much about the other coaches.


 



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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2015, 06:44:40 PM »

Bama is making the move - and I don't think it is any doubt it's gonna happen - 1 year too late. I think Bruce Pearl would have come to Bama in a heart beat.

A known(caught) liar and cheater, No Thanks.  There are enough class guys out there and he isn't one of them.

I wouldn't want him either.

Nor I.  He's a perfect fit for Auburn.


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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2015, 06:51:20 PM »

How about the coach from Wichita State? He seems to have a program that is busy every year. RTR!
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2015, 07:01:44 PM »

How about the coach from Wichita State? He seems to have a program that is busy every year. RTR!

He is a good coach Ricky as well as some others up in that part of the country but getting them to leave their job is another problem. I would sure like to see Bama get a coach from that area and bring some of those good players down our way. The Midwest and Northeast are loaded with good players, we've just got to find somebody that can bring them to Alabama.
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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2015, 07:26:29 PM »

I've been out all day and just read all the good thoughts posted here today.  I will suggest we think about the skill set a head BB coacn at Bama needs to bring.  Here's my short list.

1.  HC experience for at least 3-years.  The guy needs to know how to run a program.  This is a skill that is largely learned from experience.

2. A coach who is an good recruiter.  We are unlikely to get many 5-stars but a few 4-stars would surely help.  Failing that, we need to get the best of the 3's.

3.  Because we are not going to get 5-stars, we need a HC -- and a staff -- that has shown they know how to teach the game and develop players.  You gotta take those 3-stars and teach them to play like 5-stars.  That is a skill.  Some coaches know how to do this.  CAG is not one of them.

4.  A coach who is a good leader and motivator; one who can get guys to reach down in their gut and play with intensity.

Those are skills that can be evaluated.  There are mid-major coaches out there who can bring such a skill set to the Bama job.  It's CBB's job to go get one of them.

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« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2015, 08:04:22 PM »

I've been out all day and just read all the good thoughts posted here today.  I will suggest we think about the skill set a head BB coacn at Bama needs to bring.  Here's my short list.

1.  HC experience for at least 3-years.  The guy needs to know how to run a program.  This is a skill that is largely learned from experience.

2. A coach who is an good recruiter.  We are unlikely to get many 5-stars but a few 4-stars would surely help.  Failing that, we need to get the best of the 3's.

3.  Because we are not going to get 5-stars, we need a HC -- and a staff -- that has shown they know how to teach the game and develop players.  You gotta take those 3-stars and teach them to play like 5-stars.  That is a skill.  Some coaches know how to do this.  CAG is not one of them.

4.  A coach who is a good leader and motivator; one who can get guys to reach down in their gut and play with intensity.

Those are skills that can be evaluated.  There are mid-major coaches out there who can bring such a skill set to the Bama job.  It's CBB's job to go get one of them.

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Nailed it. This is pretty much what Jamos, pmull, & others have said.



 
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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2015, 09:51:14 PM »

The only problem is that we thought CAG was going to be the coach everyone is describing.  6 years later it is obvious he is not.  If we get it wrong again, will it be another 6 years of mediocrity?  What if we get it wrong a couple more times?  We could flounder for a  decade or more.  You know, like we did with the football program between CGS and CNS.  None of us want that for the basketball team.  So the million dollar questions is this:  how do we get it right this time?

I think the answer lies in getting the right people on the search committee, and then be willing to pay top dollar in order to persuade the guy to come build a program at Bama.  What is the top salary for a men's basketball coach?  We need to be in the same ballpark with that, and willing to make the guy the top paid coach if he wins a national championship.  Write it into the contract.

As for the search committee, how about these guys:

1.  Bill Battle (of course)
2.  C. M. Newton
3.  Wimp Sanderson
4.  Nick Saban

Who else?

CNS might not be able to evaluate them on their ability to coach basketball, but he can certainly evaluate them on their ability to run the program and all of the other skills they need to be successful.
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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2015, 10:31:51 PM »

The only problem is that we thought CAG was going to be the coach everyone is describing.  6 years later it is obvious he is not.  If we get it wrong again, will it be another 6 years of mediocrity?  What if we get it wrong a couple more times?  We could flounder for a  decade or more.  You know, like we did with the football program between CGS and CNS.  None of us want that for the basketball team.  So the million dollar questions is this:  how do we get it right this time?

I think the answer lies in getting the right people on the search committee, and then be willing to pay top dollar in order to persuade the guy to come build a program at Bama.  What is the top salary for a men's basketball coach?  We need to be in the same ballpark with that, and willing to make the guy the top paid coach if he wins a national championship.  Write it into the contract.

As for the search committee, how about these guys:

1.  Bill Battle (of course)
2.  C. M. Newton
3.  Wimp Sanderson
4.  Nick Saban

Who else?

CNS might not be able to evaluate them on their ability to coach basketball, but he can certainly evaluate them on their ability to run the program and all of the other skills they need to be successful.



I would add Bobby Knight to that committee list. Also, I still think talking to Coach K, Roy Williams, & Jim Calhoun for references can't hurt. Money is no problem when a coach like Archie Miller is making $400,000 a year at Dayton, as an example. We are not going to get an "elite" coach but a solid coach from a lower tier level.


 
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« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2015, 08:00:34 AM »

Every coach starts somewhere. The best coaches in the college game were assistants at one time. Most of them started at a small mid major school before being hired as a power conference school head coach. They don't all turn out to be good hires. CAG is just one example. Two more failures that come to mind are Jeff Lebo and Tony Barbee at the barn. Both of those guys looked like solid hires but did far worse than CAG. Hiring any coach is a risk. I am not saying we should not pursue a home run hire because we should. I am saying a home run hire is a long shot and our best option may be a mid major guy like Archie Miller at Dayton or someone similar to him at that level.

McBaman nailed it on the skill set we need for the next head coach. I would add that the next head coach needs to promote our program. Nothing fills seats like winning but creating a better game day experience would help too. The new coach needs to get out and do speaking engagements and radio interviews and get people interested. We are die hards  on this board. We love everything Alabama. The average Bama fan only cares about football. That needs to change. We have a fantastic gymnastics program but they should not be out drawing our men's basketball team.
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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2015, 08:01:42 AM »

The only problem is that we thought CAG was going to be the coach everyone is describing.  6 years later it is obvious he is not.  If we get it wrong again, will it be another 6 years of mediocrity?  What if we get it wrong a couple more times?  We could flounder for a  decade or more.  You know, like we did with the football program between CGS and CNS.  None of us want that for the basketball team.  So the million dollar questions is this:  how do we get it right this time?

I think the answer lies in getting the right people on the search committee, and then be willing to pay top dollar in order to persuade the guy to come build a program at Bama.  What is the top salary for a men's basketball coach?  We need to be in the same ballpark with that, and willing to make the guy the top paid coach if he wins a national championship.  Write it into the contract.

As for the search committee, how about these guys:

1.  Bill Battle (of course)
2.  C. M. Newton
3.  Wimp Sanderson
4.  Nick Saban

Who else?

CNS might not be able to evaluate them on their ability to coach basketball, but he can certainly evaluate them on their ability to run the program and all of the other skills they need to be successful.



I would add Bobby Knight to that committee list. Also, I still think talking to Coach K, Roy Williams, & Jim Calhoun for references can't hurt. Money is no problem when a coach like Archie Miller is making $400,000 a year at Dayton, as an example. We are not going to get an "elite" coach but a solid coach from a lower tier level.


 

Good list.

I agree it needs to be someone with head coaching experience would be nice, but eliminating assistants from consideration severely limits the pool of candidates.

With Tarrant out I move my prediction back to uk by 30+.
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Every coach starts somewhere. The best coaches in the college game were assistants at one time. Most of them started at a small mid major school before being hired as a power conference school head coach. They don't all turn out to be good hires. CAG is just one example. Two more failures that come to mind are Jeff Lebo and Tony Barbee at the barn. Both of those guys looked like solid hires but did far worse than CAG. Hiring any coach is a risk. I am not saying we should not pursue a home run hire because we should. I am saying a home run hire is a long shot and our best option may be a mid major guy like Archie Miller at Dayton or someone similar to him at that level.

McBaman nailed it on the skill set we need for the next head coach. I would add that the next head coach needs to promote our program. Nothing fills seats like winning but creating a better game day experience would help too. The new coach needs to get out and do speaking engagements and radio interviews and get people interested. We are die hards  on this board. We love everything Alabama. The average Bama fan only cares about football. That needs to change. We have a fantastic gymnastics program but they should not be out drawing our men's basketball team.

Cliff Ellis is coaching at Coastal Carolina.

MD will complain that he is too old.

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« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2015, 11:24:30 AM »

Every coach starts somewhere. The best coaches in the college game were assistants at one time. Most of them started at a small mid major school before being hired as a power conference school head coach. They don't all turn out to be good hires. CAG is just one example. Two more failures that come to mind are Jeff Lebo and Tony Barbee at the barn. Both of those guys looked like solid hires but did far worse than CAG. Hiring any coach is a risk. I am not saying we should not pursue a home run hire because we should. I am saying a home run hire is a long shot and our best option may be a mid major guy like Archie Miller at Dayton or someone similar to him at that level.

McBaman nailed it on the skill set we need for the next head coach. I would add that the next head coach needs to promote our program. Nothing fills seats like winning but creating a better game day experience would help too. The new coach needs to get out and do speaking engagements and radio interviews and get people interested. We are die hards  on this board. We love everything Alabama. The average Bama fan only cares about football. That needs to change. We have a fantastic gymnastics program but they should not be out drawing our men's basketball team.

Cliff Ellis is coaching at Coastal Carolina.

MD will complain that he is too old.





Do you think a 69 year old coach is good for the future of the program? Don't you want someone who might be around 15 years & get the program rolling at a high level? Name one program that ever started with a 69 year old coach to build for the future. Plus, Ellis has left 2 programs in deep trouble after he left, Clemson & Auburn.


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Every coach starts somewhere. The best coaches in the college game were assistants at one time. Most of them started at a small mid major school before being hired as a power conference school head coach. They don't all turn out to be good hires. CAG is just one example. Two more failures that come to mind are Jeff Lebo and Tony Barbee at the barn. Both of those guys looked like solid hires but did far worse than CAG. Hiring any coach is a risk. I am not saying we should not pursue a home run hire because we should. I am saying a home run hire is a long shot and our best option may be a mid major guy like Archie Miller at Dayton or someone similar to him at that level.

McBaman nailed it on the skill set we need for the next head coach. I would add that the next head coach needs to promote our program. Nothing fills seats like winning but creating a better game day experience would help too. The new coach needs to get out and do speaking engagements and radio interviews and get people interested. We are die hards  on this board. We love everything Alabama. The average Bama fan only cares about football. That needs to change. We have a fantastic gymnastics program but they should not be out drawing our men's basketball team.

Cliff Ellis is coaching at Coastal Carolina.

MD will complain that he is too old.





Do you think a 69 year old coach is good for the future of the program? Don't you want someone who might be around 15 years & get the program rolling at a high level? Nameone program that ever started with a 69 year old coach to build for the future. Plus, Ellis has left 2 programs in deep trouble after he left, Clemson & Auburn.


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I will see your two land-grant institutions and raise you a Bobby Cremins. 

He is 68.

I think a 60-something year old coach could provide valuable service for 5 - 7 years while looking for, or possibly having him develop, the next 15 year coaching candidate.
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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2015, 12:54:23 PM »

Every coach starts somewhere. The best coaches in the college game were assistants at one time. Most of them started at a small mid major school before being hired as a power conference school head coach. They don't all turn out to be good hires. CAG is just one example. Two more failures that come to mind are Jeff Lebo and Tony Barbee at the barn. Both of those guys looked like solid hires but did far worse than CAG. Hiring any coach is a risk. I am not saying we should not pursue a home run hire because we should. I am saying a home run hire is a long shot and our best option may be a mid major guy like Archie Miller at Dayton or someone similar to him at that level.

McBaman nailed it on the skill set we need for the next head coach. I would add that the next head coach needs to promote our program. Nothing fills seats like winning but creating a better game day experience would help too. The new coach needs to get out and do speaking engagements and radio interviews and get people interested. We are die hards  on this board. We love everything Alabama. The average Bama fan only cares about football. That needs to change. We have a fantastic gymnastics program but they should not be out drawing our men's basketball team.

Cliff Ellis is coaching at Coastal Carolina.

MD will complain that he is too old.





Do you think a 69 year old coach is good for the future of the program? Don't you want someone who might be around 15 years & get the program rolling at a high level? Nameone program that ever started with a 69 year old coach to build for the future. Plus, Ellis has left 2 programs in deep trouble after he left, Clemson & Auburn.


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I will see your two land-grant institutions and raise you a Bobby Cremins. 

He is 68.

I think a 60-something year old coach could provide valuable service for 5 - 7 years while looking for, or possibly having him develop, the next 15 year coaching candidate.



Bobby Cremins has not coached in 2 years. He had to leave due to exhaustion & possibly Parkinson's. His last stop was the mighty College of Charleston and he became their coach at age 59, not 69. You don't pay a coach millions of dollars to develop a future coach, you pay him to win. If Cremins was such a hot coach, how come nobody else wanted him, answer, because he was too old. Also, do you equate the College of Charleston on the same level as Alabama & the SEC? Just wondering.


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A few coaching names to consider.

Archie Miller - Dayton: A good young up and coming coach. If I were on the search committee he would be high on my list to interview.

Ben Howland- Unemployed: Last coached UCLA in 12-13 season. Age 57. Fired at UCLA after 10 years going 25-10 in his last year with a first round loss in NCAA. His team finish 24th in the final AP poll. He had 5 seasons at UCLA with 25 wins or more. Three seasons with 30 wins or more (32, 30, 35). He was very successful at Pitt before taking the UCLA job. I am shocked he is out of work.

Mike White - LA Tech: 37 years old. Very young and inexperienced. Played at Ole Miss. Assistant at Jacksonville State and Ole Miss being getting the LA Tech job. He is 91-36 in four years at the C-USA school. 43-14 in conference play. He could be the next shining star or in over his head in the SEC.

If I were on the search committee I would contact Mark Few, Greg Marshall, Brad Stevens and some other home run hires just to gauge their interest if any. They are long shots but you have to at least try.
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