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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2015, 08:04:55 AM »

To me, the worst part of Grant's failures is having to agree with Marshall Dillion... 

 
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 09:19:54 AM »

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But there is a great deal of consternation with the University of Alabama men’s basketball team these days, and it isn’t going away. Boiled down to the bare essentials, there are two fundamental reasons for all the grumbling — and it is loud grumbling about Anthony Grant’s job.

First, the UA team has not, with one exception in five-plus years, made it into the NCAA Tournament field. Fans want to be a part of March Madness.

Second, Grant is either adamant or stubborn — you choose the adjective — in his belief that Alabama’s best chance to win games is to play a slow tempo, keep the game close, then try to win at the end.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2015, 09:35:45 AM »

Wow!  When Cecil writes a column with a title like that, I gotta think the end is nigh.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2015, 11:22:05 AM »

My biggest concern about making a change is that there are not a lot of top notch coaches out there that would come to Alabama.

You do not need a “big name” coach.  Whoever heard of Brad Stevens?

Sadly, the measuring stick for "progress" in the athletic world is simply based on wins and losses.

What other measure is there?  He is a coach.  I am not saying wins over integrity, but that logic is like saying, sadly the only measure of a car salesman is how many cars he sales.

In college sports it is about money.

Grant is getting plenty of that.

Maybe Saban can use his connections to Michigan State and they can recommend someone who can coach.

Speaking of MSU. Izzo does more with less every year.  I am not implying that Izzo is leaving MSU.

I wouldn't mind if they went out and hired one of the nation's top high school coaches and gave him a chance. 

I think this is the answer.  I will say it again, Scott Suttles.

To me, the worst part of Grant's failures is having to agree with Marshall Dillion... 

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Also, UK will beat BAMA by 30+ unless Calipari calls off the dogs.
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2015, 12:56:46 PM »

I think we are ready for a change. I am about as loyal fan as anyone and I am discussed, disappointed and losing interest in a sport I have looked forward to all year. There is no energy in our program. None! Not the fans, players or even the head coach.

I like CAG. I think he is a good man but our program deserves a good coach who puts a quality team on the floor every game. We are not going to win them all but we should be able to compete at a high level every game win or lose.

I will be watching and pulling for our team the rest of the way. I hope the team can regain their focus and finish strong. However, a strong finish will not change my mind at this point. We need a new coach. Making the NCAA as a bubble team is not good enough anymore.
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2015, 02:55:50 PM »

I appreciate so many of you guys commenting on the state of Tide basketball. First, I would like to state some facts about the basketball program. Alabama is 2nd only to Kentucky in wins & conference tournament championships in its history. This program can win with the right coach & can find a good coach based on this, its location, its conference (SEC), and can pay big dollars, like Grant's $1.8 million yearly salary.

Just like Coach Bryant, the AD can ask coaches like Roy Williams (UNC), Coach K, Coach Izzo, & Coach Pitino for recommendations for a coach. Coach C.M. Newton came from Transylvania College, Pearl from Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Coach K from Army & most head coaches came from lower level programs at one time. We can definitely find a coach, but it does take some luck, too.

Now, Coach Grant. I was excited when he was first hired due to the same reasons as most folks, his work with Coach Donovan and his time at VCU. Unfortunately, Grant has shown himself to be unable to develop players, make in-game adjustments, and teach the basics of the game like rebounding, blocking out, passing effectively, and finally, recruiting. It took him 5 years to get a decent recruiting class. I use a rule I call the 4 year rule. If a coach shows steady progress each year (in winning), the players look like they know what they are doing, he recruits well, then he usually knows what he is doing. I use this rule with any sport and seems pretty accurate.



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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2015, 03:06:41 PM »

Good article by Cecil. This pretty much sums up Grant's coaching.


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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2015, 03:48:05 PM »

Unless there is a miraculous turn around, I think it is time for a new coach.  I am very disappointed that things have not worked out the way we all hoped.  I really like CAG, but we seem to be stuck in the same place year after year.

My biggest concern about making a change is that there are not a lot of top notch coaches out there that would come to Alabama.  So we are going to end up taking another chance on another unproven coach, and that is just as likely to not work out either. Would we better off giving CAG more time to learn on the job or starting all over with a new coach who will quite likely be just as green as CAG was when he came?  It is a tough call.



Have to disagree with you on a couple of points. Grant worked under Donovan for 12 years and has been a head coach for 9 years. His problem is, he can't coach and if he coached 10 more years he still won't be head coach material. Alabama BB is not Tide football. We can't get a Thad Matta, Coach K, or Billy Donovan but we can get someone who might get us to that level. Donovan built UF to national prominence from almost nothing & Coach K had been the coach of Army when he arrived to coach a dead Duke program. Who knew these 2 coaches would be so great? Same goes for Bobby Knight. Most anytime you select a new coach it's a crap shoot. We can do better than Grant. I think we have some real talent on the team for next year with Hale, Coleman, Kessens, Taylor, Tarrant, Mitchel, & Norris, but they need a coach who can develop them. No way will the fans accept another year of Grant and his "play not to lose" mindset.




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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2015, 04:21:36 PM »

I'm a little worried. We all pretty much seem to be in agreement here. The Apocalypse is nigh, isn't it?



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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2015, 04:39:02 PM »

We are in agreement because it's THAT obvious.

Also...MD...those last 2 - 3 posts of yours summed up the matter very well.  And thanks for starting this thread.
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2015, 04:44:01 PM »

We are in agreement because it's THAT obvious.

Also...MD...those last 2 - 3 posts of yours summed up the matter very well.  And thanks for starting this thread.


I have to agree with this post. Well done MD. Our economy feeds our families but in the real world if you can't do your job you don't get 4 to 6 years to fix it. If you claim on a resume' that you are a man of this profession, whatever it is, you are expected to show progress quickly. Just my opinion everybody. RTR!
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2015, 04:56:54 PM »

Serious and focused all the way to the bottom of page two, and in the football off-season no less. Troubling signs of maturity.
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I'm a little worried. We all pretty much seem to be in agreement here. The Apocalypse is nigh, isn't it?

















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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2015, 06:39:02 PM »

Unless there is a miraculous turn around, I think it is time for a new coach.  I am very disappointed that things have not worked out the way we all hoped.  I really like CAG, but we seem to be stuck in the same place year after year.

My biggest concern about making a change is that there are not a lot of top notch coaches out there that would come to Alabama.  So we are going to end up taking another chance on another unproven coach, and that is just as likely to not work out either. Would we better off giving CAG more time to learn on the job or starting all over with a new coach who will quite likely be just as green as CAG was when he came?  It is a tough call.



Have to disagree with you on a couple of points. Grant worked under Donovan for 12 years and has been a head coach for 9 years. His problem is, he can't coach and if he coached 10 more years he still won't be head coach material. Alabama BB is not Tide football. We can't get a Thad Matta, Coach K, or Billy Donovan but we can get someone who might get us to that level. Donovan built UF to national prominence from almost nothing & Coach K had been the coach of Army when he arrived to coach a dead Duke program. Who knew these 2 coaches would be so great? Same goes for Bobby Knight. Most anytime you select a new coach it's a crap shoot. We can do better than Grant. I think we have some real talent on the team for next year with Hale, Coleman, Kessens, Taylor, Tarrant, Mitchel, & Norris, but they need a coach who can develop them. No way will the fans accept another year of Grant and his "play not to lose" mindset.






CAG has had his chance. Six years is long enough. A lot of Bama fans thought a change should have been made last year. I disagreed with them and thought CAG deserved another year. I was wrong.

I do not know who we should go after or who might be available. A young and upcoming mid major coach may be the best option. Going this route does not always work out but change is needed. Our program is stagnate and we need a high energy guy who can motivate the team and energize the fan base. Ultimately he must be a winner.

Our program is not in terrible shape. The right guy can come in and make an immediate impact. 
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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2015, 07:10:43 PM »

Unless there is a miraculous turn around, I think it is time for a new coach.  I am very disappointed that things have not worked out the way we all hoped.  I really like CAG, but we seem to be stuck in the same place year after year.

My biggest concern about making a change is that there are not a lot of top notch coaches out there that would come to Alabama.  So we are going to end up taking another chance on another unproven coach, and that is just as likely to not work out either. Would we better off giving CAG more time to learn on the job or starting all over with a new coach who will quite likely be just as green as CAG was when he came?  It is a tough call.



Have to disagree with you on a couple of points. Grant worked under Donovan for 12 years and has been a head coach for 9 years. His problem is, he can't coach and if he coached 10 more years he still won't be head coach material. Alabama BB is not Tide football. We can't get a Thad Matta, Coach K, or Billy Donovan but we can get someone who might get us to that level. Donovan built UF to national prominence from almost nothing & Coach K had been the coach of Army when he arrived to coach a dead Duke program. Who knew these 2 coaches would be so great? Same goes for Bobby Knight. Most anytime you select a new coach it's a crap shoot. We can do better than Grant. I think we have some real talent on the team for next year with Hale, Coleman, Kessens, Taylor, Tarrant, Mitchel, & Norris, but they need a coach who can develop them. No way will the fans accept another year of Grant and his "play not to lose" mindset.






CAG has had his chance. Six years is long enough. A lot of Bama fans thought a change should have been made last year. I disagreed with them and thought CAG deserved another year. I was wrong.

I do not know who we should go after or who might be available. A young and upcoming mid major coach may be the best option. Going this route does not always work out but change is needed. Our program is stagnate and we need a high energy guy who can motivate the team and energize the fan base. Ultimately he must be a winner.

Our program is not in terrible shape. The right guy can come in and make an immediate impact. 



This is what I was thinking. Here is a list from 2013 looking at the best coaches under age 40. I have not checked to see how they have been doing since then.



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