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« on: January 28, 2015, 04:22:26 PM »

I would like to hear some comments from my fellow posters & their opinions of Coach Grant's coaching, the teams problems, & his job status. I notice that very few folks have responded in the last thread & game. I assume this to be due to extreme frustration and disappointment with the team this year, not to mention the past 6 years of Grant's tenure.

Most of you are aware of my position on him & his status. He should have been fired last year. Our teams have had the same problems almost EVERY year, poor outside shooting, poor rebounding, too much fouling, no signature win (not one), inability to win on the road, non-conference losses, etc. Right now we are snake bit, losing games in strange ways & close games. I am afraid that Grant might be losing the team, but not 100% sure yet. We play UK on Saturday & that could be really ugly. Right now, I think a record of 18-13 is our best bet, but no NCAA Tourney invite. Give me your ideas & observations. Thanks.




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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 04:35:20 PM »

Unless there is a miraculous turn around, I think it is time for a new coach.  I am very disappointed that things have not worked out the way we all hoped.  I really like CAG, but we seem to be stuck in the same place year after year.

My biggest concern about making a change is that there are not a lot of top notch coaches out there that would come to Alabama.  So we are going to end up taking another chance on another unproven coach, and that is just as likely to not work out either.  Would we better off giving CAG more time to learn on the job or starting all over with a new coach who will quite likely be just as green as CAG was when he came?  It is a tough call.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 04:52:56 PM »

The results speak for themselves.

You can search all the way back to 2001 - 02.

BAMA
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/333/alabama-crimson-tide

VCU
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2670/virginia-commonwealth-rams

NCSU
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/152/nc-state-wolfpack

I believe that the program is actually getting worse under Grant.

For the record, I wanted him to succeed and I was very excited about his hiring.

If he were the football coach he would have been gone two years ago.

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2015, 06:05:19 PM »

I haven't had the opportunity to see too many games this year, but what I have seem and based on past precedent, I also think that a change might be called for. I have been one of the ones who has stuck by him thus far, but it really seems like the team is in a rut. This is season six, and it does not seem things are improving. However, I worry like SC that we wouldn't be able to find a good replacement for CAG. It is really a tossup that could hurt us either way we go.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 08:33:06 PM »

Well, this will be my 1000th post and it's as good a topic as any for that auspicious event.

MD, if you go back and read the comments from the FL game, and imagine you are reading it 3 - 4 years ago, then you really get how the same problems that existed back then haven't been fixed.  This is supposed to be the most talented team CAG has had at Bama but it doesn't perform any better than past editions.  CAG just isn't getting the job done.  Time for a change.  I'm not even sure I'd wait until end of season.

I can't believe that Bill Battle can't find a better coach.  Someone who can teach/train out players to play better, shoot FT's, and motivate them to play with intensity.  There just have to be guys out there who will come here. C.M. Newton was pretty unknown when he came to Bama and that worked out OK. Wimp was unproven when he was named HC and he worked out OK.  It's a matter of getting proven coaching skills and not just getting a big name.  Give me somebody who nobody ever heard of but who can coach the game of basketball.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 08:34:27 PM »

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion regarding when a coach should be replaced, even the coaches themselves.  I have been guilty of wanting this coach or that coach replaced in the past just like everyone else.  Regardless, I don't like to see a coach get fired if he/she is making progress.  Sadly, the measuring stick for "progress" in the athletic world is simply based on wins and losses.  It may be time for Bama to go with another basketball coach.  The team doesn't seem to be winning games that perhaps we as fans think they should.  IMO, the UF game was all but a guaranteed loss though so that one really doesn't bother me.  The loss to Arkansas does.  Also, I am not one to buy into the theory that Bama has to hire a top-notch coach.  I see nothing wrong with bringing in someone that can develop into a successful coach.
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 09:10:58 PM »

In college sports it is about money. This equates to wins and losses. If people don't come there is no money and whether we get another OJT type coach or not if you keep the same thing expecting a different result that is insane. It was time last year but this year is for real. This is like football all the hype on the talent and then that talent can't win at least 2 games on the 2 point margin. We need somebody else. The name we have in basketball won't draw a name but Coach Battle can and should find us a good replacement. MHO. RTR!
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2015, 09:25:55 PM »

As I sat at Coleman and watched the first half of the game last night, my anger got worse and worse and by halftime I was ready to leave the game. As I passed a friend of mine, ex Bama football player, I asked him is this the best that these players can play. He looked at me and smiled and said yes I think it is. I've never been a quitter and I told myself to go back and finish watching the game, I owed myself that satisfaction of not giving up on the team.

We've had many discussions and arguments on the forum about Bama basketball and I've always been a proponent of not making knee jerk reactions when it comes to replacing coaches, and I still stand by my not making rash decisions when I'm very angry. I've had about 24 hours to mull over this and basically I feel the same as most of the people I have talked with today as well as you members on the forum. I did my best in the second half of the game to find a reason for this teams continued lackluster of play and I could only blame it on the lack of good coaching.

Today I was thinking back to when Grant came to Bama and remembered the first two years that he had Gottfried's recruits and how the team had some promise and I was a firm believer that when he got his recruits in here, the team should be much better. I also remember back in Grant's early years when the team could not inbounds a ball, couldn't shoot free throws or they would make late game turnovers to cost the team a win. These are the same things that are still happening with this team and it shouldn't be after six years of coaching them. Last night I watched the team pass the ball round and around the perimeter and never attempt to move the ball inside toward the basket and finally throw up a Hail Mary with 3 seconds on the play clock, this hasn't changed since he has been coaching here. The list goes on and on of the same mistakes or the lack of play that denies this team a chance to be where it once was, competing for a conference championship and a chance to play in the NCAA tournament.

I am not ashamed to say I was wrong about Grant because there has been so many distractions on his teams that I felt was a big factor in why the team was performing the way it had in the past and felt sure that things would get better but I was dead wrong. I was firmly convinced that this was the year everything would turn around and Bama would be competing for an NCAA spot in the Big Dance and Bama basketball would return to where it once was, but that is not the case at all and I finally said enough is enough. Grant has had every chance to right his ship but has failed miserably and personally I think there will be a coaching change at the end of the year. RTR!!!

 
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2015, 09:44:14 PM »

I've pretty much removed myself from watching basketball since the Wichita State game. I can no longer tolerate the totally crappy officiating that is dictating the outcome of games. Not just Bama games, but all of them. College basketball has turned into the WWF or WWE or whatever they are calling wrassling these days. I just can't watch it anymore.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2015, 09:44:36 PM »

CAG's time here has not been short. Were this to be his last season he would be tied with Hobb's for shortest stay. So, it's not like letting go of Grant would create the coaching carousel impression that this was a bad place to coach. Although it might seem that we took a perfectly successful coach and turned him into a mediocre one, his winpcg at VCU was .645, only 5% higher than here, and based on fewer seasons.

I too wanted him to succeed. Seems like a fine fellow. But we need to get over the hump. We are going to end this season about 12 points away from a six seed at the dance (looking at all the close losses). Although that view of things tempts one to wait out CAG a little longer, it's more and more feeling like he is hitting a ceiling.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2015, 06:00:58 AM »

There just have to be guys out there who will come here. C.M. Newton was pretty unknown when he came to Bama and that worked out OK. Wimp was unproven when he was named HC and he worked out OK.  It's a matter of getting proven coaching skills and not just getting a big name.  Give me somebody who nobody ever heard of but who can coach the game of basketball.
Bama ended up with CM Newton because of Bear Bryant's connections to the Kentucky program.  Wimp was his assistant and took over when Newton retired.  Gottfried was a former Bama player.  Beyond those three, the state of Bama basketball has mostly been middle of the road. 

I have to think Alabama is not the first destination of the top tier of H.S. talent.  And therefore not the first choice of top coaches.  Grant is good coaching defense, but the offense is mostly inept.  Everyone was screaming for Gottfried to get fired, but his worst teams probably would beat Grant's best team, by 2 points. 

Maybe Saban can use his connections to Michigan State and they can recommend someone who can coach.  (I don't think Kentucky is going to do that again.)  But I'm not sure there is a big push yet for getting rid of Grant, at least by those who make the decisions.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2015, 06:12:21 AM »

There just have to be guys out there who will come here. C.M. Newton was pretty unknown when he came to Bama and that worked out OK. Wimp was unproven when he was named HC and he worked out OK.  It's a matter of getting proven coaching skills and not just getting a big name.  Give me somebody who nobody ever heard of but who can coach the game of basketball.
Bama ended up with CM Newton because of Bear Bryant's connections to the Kentucky program.  Wimp was his assistant and took over when Newton retired.  Gottfried was a former Bama player.  Beyond those three, the state of Bama basketball has mostly been middle of the road. 

I have to think Alabama is not the first destination of the top tier of H.S. talent.  And therefore not the first choice of top coaches.  Grant is good coaching defense, but the offense is mostly inept.  Everyone was screaming for Gottfried to get fired, but his worst teams probably would beat Grant's best team, by 2 points. 

Maybe Saban can use his connections to Michigan State and they can recommend someone who can coach.  (I don't think Kentucky is going to do that again.)  But I'm not sure there is a big push yet for getting rid of Grant, at least by those who make the decisions.

Interesting.  Certainly Coach Bryant called Adolph Rupp at Kentucky, which led to CM's hire.  That story always surprised me, because I assumed that Coach Bryant burned all of those bridges.   

Unfortunately, I'll bet Coach Saban's bridges at Michigan State are indeed burned.  But if not, I'd welcome a fresh start and a talented coach.

 
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2015, 06:36:37 AM »

Of course it isn't my decision as to when Grant goes or who replaces him but...just my .02 here.  I wouldn't mind if they went out and hired one of the nation's top high school coaches and gave him a chance.  Might just have the drive to succeed that Bama needs...  Thoughts?
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2015, 07:22:56 AM »

I don't get to watch much basketball in Asia.  I guess I could if I really made the effort, but I follow the team as best I can.  I echo the sentiments being expressed by everyone else.  I was really excited about Grant when he was hired.  Early on it seemed like there was a string of bad luck with players leaving for various reasons, so I was willing to give him time.  I feel that he's had plenty of time now and isn't getting the job done.  I hate to see a man fired, but if Bama basketball is going to advance beyond its current state I think a change is needed.  I had high hopes for this year entering SEC play and the win at Tennessee seemed like a great start.  Sadly it seems to have been a fluke.
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2015, 07:31:24 AM »

To me, the worst part of Grant's failures is having to agree with Marshall Dillion... 
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