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Title: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: Marshal Dillon on October 10, 2020, 10:53:38 PM
I wanted to comment before highschoolcoach posted so he might be able to address some of my comments.
First of all, the defense is not just bad, it’s awful. We can’t win a championship with this defense. The pass rush was bad, we couldn’t tackle my 92 year old mother, and they couldn’t cover Ozzie Newsome in a pass route and he’s 64 years old. I would say Pete Dowling, the DC, is in deep do-do. Tosh Lupoi was lost as DC and could not read the other teams’ offensive set up. He was replaced by Golding who has underperformed. Any suggestions or comments out there?




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Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: carl childers on October 11, 2020, 07:32:04 AM
Forget winning championships - this defense will not let us win 7 games. I've never seen it this bad and I've been a Bama fan my whole 56 years of life.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: ricky023 on October 11, 2020, 07:40:57 AM
Golding has to have something on CNS. We have a defensive mind on our staff in Charlie Strong and he can't get a chance. RTR!


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: N.AL-Tider on October 11, 2020, 07:42:12 AM
Forget winning championships - this defense will not let us win 7 games. I've never seen it this bad and I've been a Bama fan my whole 56 years of life.

Sorry Carl, but that's just not true. On either the wins or how bad Bama is.  I, too, and 56 y/o and have definitely seen worse Bama defenses. In 2000 under Mike Duboise the team went 3-8 and in 2003 under Mike Shula they went 4-9.  This year we are 3-0 at this point and no way we won't win 4 more games.  If you really believe what you said then you need to seek professional counseling.  Yes, our defense is bad. No, check that.  They are horrible.  But our offense is stellar and will probably bail us out of some of the tougher games the rest of the season. Might not against UGA but I suspect everyone else on our schedule will likely be wins for us.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: N.AL-Tider on October 11, 2020, 07:43:26 AM
Golding has to have something on CNS. We have a defensive mind on our staff in Charlie Strong and he can't get a chance. RTR!
Saban is loyal to his staff during the season.  Unless a coach leaves the program Saban doesn't give up on them.  It has nothing to do with having "something on CNS" at all.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: ricky023 on October 11, 2020, 07:44:51 AM
Golding has to have something on CNS. We have a defensive mind on our staff in Charlie Strong and he can't get a chance. RTR!
Saban is loyal to his staff during the season.  Unless a coach leaves the program Saban doesn't give up on them.  It has nothing to do with having "something on CNS" at all.


 :lol: :lol: :lol: hey NALT something has got to be happening knowing we will lose to GA if Hurricane type major changes arn't made. RTR!


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: 2Stater on October 11, 2020, 07:51:54 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4d/50/2c/4d502cafdfdc0d9c682313659f77c4ea.jpg)

Last night's D-fense.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: McBaman on October 11, 2020, 09:05:50 AM
Golding has to have something on CNS. We have a defensive mind on our staff in Charlie Strong and he can't get a chance. RTR!
Saban is loyal to his staff during the season.  Unless a coach leaves the program Saban doesn't give up on them.  It has nothing to do with having "something on CNS" at all.


CNS ain't stupid. He can see what't happening. Last night's D was about as bad as it can get.  It may be that CNS knows who he wants as DC and that person won't be 'available' until after the season.  Just a guess.  Right now, holding my breath for the UGA game.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: Merk on October 11, 2020, 09:16:14 AM
Honestly, it was like watching a Big 12 game. All offense and little defense. There are a lot of problems that need to be addressed before we meet Georgia next week.

On a positive note, our offense was outstanding. Najee with 5 TD’s, Mac throwing for over 400 yards. It was a symphony.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: ricky023 on October 11, 2020, 09:18:28 AM
Golding has to have something on CNS. We have a defensive mind on our staff in Charlie Strong and he can't get a chance. RTR!
Saban is loyal to his staff during the season.  Unless a coach leaves the program Saban doesn't give up on them.  It has nothing to do with having "something on CNS" at all.


CNS ain't stupid. He can see what't happening. Last night's D was about as bad as it can get.  It may be that CNS knows who he wants as DC and that person won't be 'available' until after the season.  Just a guess.  Right now, holding my breath for the UGA game.



Hey McBaman I am with you on the holding my breath till Sat. is over. GA has a defense might hold our offense but our defense will probably give up 40 or more points to GA. jmho. RTR!


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: roll tide roll on October 11, 2020, 09:18:44 AM
Coach made some reference to ole piss stealing d's play calls.



Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: roll tide roll on October 11, 2020, 09:20:27 AM
The fiasco would have been the good guys losing.

Lots of positives from the offensive side of the ball.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: ricky023 on October 11, 2020, 09:32:34 AM
We better be ready next week is gonna be rough. RTR!


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: Old Tider on October 11, 2020, 12:34:06 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4d/50/2c/4d502cafdfdc0d9c682313659f77c4ea.jpg)

Last night's D-fense.

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Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: McBaman on October 11, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
Coach made some reference to ole piss stealing d's play calls.



If only it were that simple.  Sign stealing doesn't explain poor tackling and taking bad angles, etc.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: ricky023 on October 11, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Coach made some reference to ole piss stealing d's play calls.



If only it were that simple.  Sign stealing doesn't explain poor tackling and taking bad angles, etc.



 :boom: :boom: no sir you are right. RTR!


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: Marshal Dillon on October 11, 2020, 02:20:47 PM
Forget winning championships - this defense will not let us win 7 games. I've never seen it this bad and I've been a Bama fan my whole 56 years of life.

Sorry Carl, but that's just not true. On either the wins or how bad Bama is.  I, too, and 56 y/o and have definitely seen worse Bama defenses. In 2000 under Mike Duboise the team went 3-8 and in 2003 under Mike Shula they went 4-9.  This year we are 3-0 at this point and no way we won't win 4 more games.  If you really believe what you said then you need to seek professional counseling.  Yes, our defense is bad. No, check that.  They are horrible.  But our offense is stellar and will probably bail us out of some of the tougher games the rest of the season. Might not against UGA but I suspect everyone else on our schedule will likely be wins for us.



BINGO! That’s what I told my wife and adult old son last night. I’ve seen hopeless D in recent Tide history. Horrible is bad but not hopeless.



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Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: roll tide roll on October 11, 2020, 03:05:08 PM
Sign stealing doesn't explain poor tackling and taking bad angles, etc.

Of course it does not, but it surely does not help your poorly performing team if the opposing offense has your scheme on every play.

I think the biggest factor with regard to the basics of football play (tackling, bad angles, etc.) is the lack of contact and live practice drills due to contact restrictions put in place b/c of the wuhan red death.

idk

Them rabid dawgs are going to be howling at the front door.

That I do know.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: ricky023 on October 11, 2020, 03:43:03 PM
You better know the dogs are coming with thirsty lips dribbling on their chin. RTR!


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: N.AL-Tider on October 11, 2020, 08:00:06 PM
I think the whole idea of Kiffin "stealing" the Bama defensive signals is petty and pathetic.  The offence typically approaches the LOS with a couple or three plays to run based on the defensive positioning.  They then make adjustments based on how the defense is lined up and run the play.  I really doubt they did that.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: roll tide roll on October 12, 2020, 08:39:28 AM
I think the whole idea of Kiffin "stealing" the Bama defensive signals is petty and pathetic.  The offence typically approaches the LOS with a couple or three plays to run based on the defensive positioning.  They then make adjustments based on how the defense is lined up and run the play.  I really doubt they did that.

Coach Saban seemed to think it was a possibility, considering that he made reference to it during a post game interview.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: N.AL-Tider on October 12, 2020, 11:23:22 AM
I think the whole idea of Kiffin "stealing" the Bama defensive signals is petty and pathetic.  The offence typically approaches the LOS with a couple or three plays to run based on the defensive positioning.  They then make adjustments based on how the defense is lined up and run the play.  I really doubt they did that.

Coach Saban seemed to think it was a possibility, considering that he made reference to it during a post game interview.
Regardless, the offense doesn't need to "steal" defensive signals.  They call their plays (usually signaled from the sideline) for what they intend to do with options to alter the play depending on how the defense lines up.  It is foolish to suggest that the offense calls their initial plays based on how the defense lines up against them.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: Old Tider on October 12, 2020, 12:56:09 PM
I think the whole idea of Kiffin "stealing" the Bama defensive signals is petty and pathetic.  The offence typically approaches the LOS with a couple or three plays to run based on the defensive positioning.  They then make adjustments based on how the defense is lined up and run the play.  I really doubt they did that.

Coach Saban seemed to think it was a possibility, considering that he made reference to it during a post game interview.
Regardless, the offense doesn't need to "steal" defensive signals.  They call their plays (usually signaled from the sideline) for what they intend to do with options to alter the play depending on how the defense lines up.  It is foolish to suggest that the offense calls their initial plays based on how the defense lines up against them.

I can't recall when the offense last had a huddle. Remember huddles?


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: ricky023 on October 12, 2020, 02:39:57 PM
Huddles are a thing of the past. RTR!


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: roll tide roll on October 12, 2020, 04:33:48 PM
It is foolish to suggest that the offense calls their initial plays based on how the defense lines up against them.

It would be.

Nobody suggested that as a scenario.

It is foolish to suggest (as you did) that an offense gains no advantage from knowing whether the opposing defense were playing man, zone, blitzing a particular player (creating a hole) regardless of how that defense lines up against them.

For example:

I could have my defense line up in a nickel formation every down and from that formation I could attack the opposing offense through multiple positions/players all hidden by my constant use of a nickel formation.  To manage that I would signal position players/groups to operate in particular ways from the sideline.  If the opposing team somehow managed to obtain my signals for my defense they could then alter routes, blocking schemes, or even entire plays based on their observation of my signal calling to my defensive players/groups.

Does that make sense to you?

Do you think Coach Saban was being dishonest when he mentioned this as a possibility?

My experience shows that Coach Saban does not shirk responsibility for coaching/player performance.

Do you have a different opinion of Coach Saban?


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: N.AL-Tider on October 13, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
It is foolish to suggest that the offense calls their initial plays based on how the defense lines up against them.

It would be.

Nobody suggested that as a scenario.

It is foolish to suggest (as you did) that an offense gains no advantage from knowing whether the opposing defense were playing man, zone, blitzing a particular player (creating a hole) regardless of how that defense lines up against them.

For example:

I could have my defense line up in a nickel formation every down and from that formation I could attack the opposing offense through multiple positions/players all hidden by my constant use of a nickel formation.  To manage that I would signal position players/groups to operate in particular ways from the sideline.  If the opposing team somehow managed to obtain my signals for my defense they could then alter routes, blocking schemes, or even entire plays based on their observation of my signal calling to my defensive players/groups.

Does that make sense to you?

Do you think Coach Saban was being dishonest when he mentioned this as a possibility?

My experience shows that Coach Saban does not shirk responsibility for coaching/player performance.

Do you have a different opinion of Coach Saban?
Offenses, as I have stated already, typically call a set of plays via signals from the sideline. Those plays have options that are exercised or not based on the way the defense is aligned.  Also taken into account would be personnel groupings.  As Kiffin stated, at the pace of play that they use there simply isn't enough time to "steal" signals and implement changes in their plays. I have no idea what was going through Saban's mind when he suggested the possibility because I can promise you, he has forgotten more about scheming in football than you or I ever knew combined.  Maybe that isn't true.  Perhaps you know more than CNS. I don't know. However, if you are a head coach, you go ahead and operate your defense in nickle 100% of the time.  I guarantee you will lose a lot of games doing so. And IMO you are wrong about what I made bold and underlined above.  Any good QB is going to know when a player is scheming to blitz. The player may be trying to trick him into thinking he is going to blitz then back out to cover but the QB knows when a blitz is coming unless it is coming from his blindside.  Prior to the snap though they know it most of the time pre-snap.  My point is, most of the time a QB knows what the defense is going to do before the snap without stealing signals.

Regarding Saban shirking his responsibilities, I do not believe he has EVER done so. I think the possibility of his assistants may have done so is real however.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on October 13, 2020, 02:16:37 PM
I think the whole idea of Kiffin "stealing" the Bama defensive signals is petty and pathetic.  The offence typically approaches the LOS with a couple or three plays to run based on the defensive positioning.  They then make adjustments based on how the defense is lined up and run the play.  I really doubt they did that.

Saban backed off that and said he meant "it just seemed like it" because he often felt Ole Miss was a step ahead.   If I were Pete Golding, I'd be worried about that statement more than if I were Lane Kiffin.


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: roll tide roll on October 13, 2020, 03:33:32 PM
Saban backed off that and said he meant "it just seemed like it" because he often felt Ole Miss was a step ahead.   If I were Pete Golding, I'd be worried about that statement more than if I were Lane Kiffin.

kiffin has no shame or moral compass to find shame.

He would do it, not care, and certainly not worry about it.

Good to know Coach backed off the statement.  


Title: Re: My Observations on Alabama/Ole Miss Fiasco
Post by: roll tide roll on October 13, 2020, 03:38:37 PM
It is foolish to suggest that the offense calls their initial plays based on how the defense lines up against them.

It would be.

Nobody suggested that as a scenario.

It is foolish to suggest (as you did) that an offense gains no advantage from knowing whether the opposing defense were playing man, zone, blitzing a particular player (creating a hole) regardless of how that defense lines up against them.

For example:

I could have my defense line up in a nickel formation every down and from that formation I could attack the opposing offense through multiple positions/players all hidden by my constant use of a nickel formation.  To manage that I would signal position players/groups to operate in particular ways from the sideline.  If the opposing team somehow managed to obtain my signals for my defense they could then alter routes, blocking schemes, or even entire plays based on their observation of my signal calling to my defensive players/groups.

Does that make sense to you?

Do you think Coach Saban was being dishonest when he mentioned this as a possibility?

My experience shows that Coach Saban does not shirk responsibility for coaching/player performance.

Do you have a different opinion of Coach Saban?
Offenses, as I have stated already, typically call a set of plays via signals from the sideline. Those plays have options that are exercised or not based on the way the defense is aligned.  Also taken into account would be personnel groupings.  As Kiffin stated, at the pace of play that they use there simply isn't enough time to "steal" signals and implement changes in their plays. I have no idea what was going through Saban's mind when he suggested the possibility because I can promise you, he has forgotten more about scheming in football than you or I ever knew combined.  Maybe that isn't true.  Perhaps you know more than CNS. I don't know. However, if you are a head coach, you go ahead and operate your defense in nickle 100% of the time.  I guarantee you will lose a lot of games doing so. And IMO you are wrong about what I made bold and underlined above.  Any good QB is going to know when a player is scheming to blitz. The player may be trying to trick him into thinking he is going to blitz then back out to cover but the QB knows when a blitz is coming unless it is coming from his blindside.  Prior to the snap though they know it most of the time pre-snap.  My point is, most of the time a QB knows what the defense is going to do before the snap without stealing signals.

Regarding Saban shirking his responsibilities, I do not believe he has EVER done so. I think the possibility of his assistants may have done so is real however.

Oh my goodness.

Sorry, got to go, Coach is calling.