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Title: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: McBaman on January 24, 2019, 07:02:41 PM
If NCAA is so concerned about safety, why don't they outlaw cut blocks!!


http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25827234/ncaa-oversight-committee-open-changes-targeting-rule-over



Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 24, 2019, 08:22:22 PM
Regarding the overtime issue, I would be in favor of pushing the ball back, say, 10 yards with every subsequent OT series.  1st starts on the 25 as it is now, 2nd the LOS would be the 35, 3rd, the 45, and so forth with still requiring them to go for two as it is currently.  If they make it harder to score by pushing the ball back then I think odds are that one team would likely score and the other wouldn't.   :dunno:

But they didn't ask me...  :eyeroll:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: ricky023 on January 24, 2019, 08:50:28 PM
Regarding the overtime issue, I would be in favor of pushing the ball back, say, 10 yards with every subsequent OT series.  1st starts on the 25 as it is now, 2nd the LOS would be the 35, 3rd, the 45, and so forth with still requiring them to go for two as it is currently.  If they make it harder to score by pushing the ball back then I think odds are that one team would likely score and the other wouldn't.   :dunno:

But they didn't ask me...  :eyeroll:


NALT that does sound good. RTR!


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 25, 2019, 05:29:36 AM
Rather than move the ball back, how about removing one player from each side with each continued overtime.  That's be more interesting too.

 :popcorn2:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 25, 2019, 10:46:45 AM
Rather than move the ball back, how about removing one player from each side with each continued overtime.  That's be more interesting too.

 :popcorn2:
Ummm, I don't like that because it would totally screw up how the plays are called.  Plays are designed with 11 on the field and if you start removing them then that totally messes it all up.  You remove a WR but the defensive team removes a LB.  Next series you remove a TE and they remove a CB, etc.  It just wouldn't work.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 25, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Rather than move the ball back, how about removing one player from each side with each continued overtime.  That's be more interesting too.

 :popcorn2:
Ummm, I don't like that because it would totally screw up how the plays are called.  Plays are designed with 11 on the field and if you start removing them then that totally messes it all up.  You remove a WR but the defensive team removes a LB.  Next series you remove a TE and they remove a CB, etc.  It just wouldn't work.

Forgot this:   :eyeroll:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: SUPERCOACH on January 25, 2019, 01:12:35 PM
Rather than move the ball back, how about removing one player from each side with each continued overtime.  That's be more interesting too.

 :popcorn2:
Ummm, I don't like that because it would totally screw up how the plays are called.  Plays are designed with 11 on the field and if you start removing them then that totally messes it all up.  You remove a WR but the defensive team removes a LB.  Next series you remove a TE and they remove a CB, etc.  It just wouldn't work.

Forgot this:   :eyeroll:

:lol2:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: McBaman on January 25, 2019, 03:31:25 PM
A different idea.... starting in the 4th OT, put the ball at the 10 yd line.  You have four plays to score a TD & if you score you have to go for two.  No FGs allowed.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 25, 2019, 06:40:16 PM
How bout just calling it a tie after 3OTs??    ???


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 26, 2019, 05:33:02 AM
How bout just calling it a tie after 3OTs??    ???

 :-\  If you're indeed our king, you've gotta take a better stand than that!   :lol2:

The main problem with OT is that the people who paid to be there at the game get the shaft.  All of the action is at one end of the field, and those at the far end can't see squat.
Just sayin'.   :dunno:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: 2Stater on January 26, 2019, 07:02:01 AM
There is no reason they can’t do it like the pros. Only difference would be that if the first team scores a TD, the other team gets their chance.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 26, 2019, 09:28:38 AM
How bout just calling it a tie after 3OTs??    ???

 :-\  If you're indeed our king, you've gotta take a better stand than that!   :lol2:

The main problem with OT is that the people who paid to be there at the game get the shaft.  All of the action is at one end of the field, and those at the far end can't see squat.
Just sayin'.   :dunno:
What they're trying to address is games lasting too long and player safety issues.  A 3OT cutoff addresses that directly.

If no team can win after 3OTs, they don't deserve a win.

With your proposal, after 11 OTs you have the same effect.   :lol:



Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 26, 2019, 02:49:24 PM
How bout just calling it a tie after 3OTs??    ???

 :-\  If you're indeed our king, you've gotta take a better stand than that!   :lol2:

The main problem with OT is that the people who paid to be there at the game get the shaft.  All of the action is at one end of the field, and those at the far end can't see squat.
Just sayin'.   :dunno:
What they're trying to address is games lasting too long and player safety issues.  A 3OT cutoff addresses that directly.
If no team can win after 3OTs, they don't deserve a win.
With your proposal, after 11 OTs you have the same effect.   :lol:

How about a substitution like in extra-inning baseball, where an assistant goes in as pitcher.  After several OTs the coach has to play QB.  :lol2:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 26, 2019, 06:39:14 PM
How bout just calling it a tie after 3OTs??    ???

 :-\  If you're indeed our king, you've gotta take a better stand than that!   :lol2:

The main problem with OT is that the people who paid to be there at the game get the shaft.  All of the action is at one end of the field, and those at the far end can't see squat.
Just sayin'.   :dunno:
What they're trying to address is games lasting too long and player safety issues.  A 3OT cutoff addresses that directly.
If no team can win after 3OTs, they don't deserve a win.
With your proposal, after 11 OTs you have the same effect.   :lol:

How about a substitution like in extra-inning baseball, where an assistant goes in as pitcher.  After several OTs the coach has to play QB.  :lol2:
I vote subbing in the head coach.  Saban in would guarantee a win.   :)


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 27, 2019, 07:29:49 AM
A different idea.... starting in the 4th OT, put the ball at the 10 yd line.  You have four plays to score a TD & if you score you have to go for two.  No FGs allowed.
They basically do that now after the 2nd OT with the exception of moving the ball to the 10.  IMO, it is logically more difficult to score from the 25 than the 10 but it isn't necessarily because from 25 yards out it opens additional plays that would be far less likely to work from the 10.  I like my idea better actually.  Surprise, surprise!  ;)  By moving the ball back an additional 10 yards per subsequent OT then that adds a bit of additional difficulty.  And to add to the suspense, only allow 4 downs, PERIOD!  No 1st downs granted for gaining 10+ yards... Of course, that could make it even more difficult to finalize the game too...  :dunno:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 27, 2019, 07:35:47 AM
Are ya'll even talking about football?   ???


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 27, 2019, 07:58:34 AM
Are ya'll even talking about football?   ???

Not really.  It's the off season.   :dunno:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Jamos on January 27, 2019, 09:09:58 AM
Rather than move the ball back, how about removing one player from each side with each continued overtime.  That's be more interesting too.

 :popcorn2:

Starting with the quarterback? :)


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: SUPERCOACH on January 27, 2019, 03:17:39 PM
No amount of fair rules changes will make the game end any sooner because you are making it harder or easier for both teams.  :dunno:  Just suck it up and play ball!  This ain't tiddly winks!  :lol2:

Make them switch end zones after each OT to address the crowd issue.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: SUPERCOACH on January 27, 2019, 03:18:59 PM
Rather than move the ball back, how about removing one player from each side with each continued overtime.  That's be more interesting too.

 :popcorn2:

Starting with the quarterback? :)

Then the center!  :lol2:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: carl childers on January 27, 2019, 03:42:01 PM
Eliminate blocking below the waist outside of the free blocking zone. If they are concerned about health and stress targeting, then this needs to be stressed as well.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 28, 2019, 05:30:11 AM
Eliminate blocking below the waist outside of the free blocking zone. If they are concerned about health and stress targeting, then this needs to be stressed as well.


Oh, serious comments.  E-cred for that!   #+


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on January 28, 2019, 09:07:04 AM
I think I like the intent of the proposed change to the targeting rule.  Unfortunately it also inherently brings in another layer of subjectivity.

IMO, college football OT doesn't need changing.  Why change a system just because you may get one crazy 5+ OT game every decade?  Well over 90% of OT games are settled within a couple OT periods.  The NFL system is far too reliant on the coin toss.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: SUPERCOACH on January 28, 2019, 01:04:25 PM
I think I like the intent of the proposed change to the targeting rule.  Unfortunately it also inherently brings in another layer of subjectivity.

IMO, college football OT doesn't need changing.  Why change a system just because you may get one crazy 5+ OT game every decade?  Well over 90% of OT games are settled within a couple OT periods.  The NFL system is far too reliant on the coin toss.

Fully agree on OT.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: ricky023 on January 28, 2019, 02:41:46 PM
I do think one thing that needs to be done is for the teams to start on the 50 yard line each time. RTR!


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 28, 2019, 03:12:22 PM
I do think one thing that needs to be done is for the teams to start on the 50 yard line each time. RTR!

LSU prolly couldn't find it.   :lol2: :lol2:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: ricky023 on January 28, 2019, 03:14:46 PM
I do think one thing that needs to be done is for the teams to start on the 50 yard line each time. RTR!

LSU prolly couldn't find it.   :lol2: :lol2:


They don't have to worry about OT with us.  :lol: :lol:, RTR!


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 28, 2019, 04:02:51 PM
No amount of fair rules changes will make the game end any sooner because you are making it harder or easier for both teams.  :dunno:  Just suck it up and play ball!  This ain't tiddly winks!  :lol2:

Make them switch end zones after each OT to address the crowd issue.
They already do that. One team picks (usually to go on defense first), the other team picks the direction of play.  If tied after OT1, repeat the choices.

It just looks the same on TV.   :lol:

Quote
The winner of the toss may not defer the choice and must
choose one of the following options:
1. Offense or defense, with the offense at the opponent’s 25-yard line to
start the first possession series.
2. Which end of the field shall be used for both possession series of that
overtime period.
c. The loser of the toss shall exercise the remaining option for the first extra
period and shall have the first choice of the two options for subsequent
even-numbered extra periods.

http://amarefs.org/FR16.pdf


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 28, 2019, 04:07:45 PM
I think I like the intent of the proposed change to the targeting rule.  Unfortunately it also inherently brings in another layer of subjectivity.

IMO, college football OT doesn't need changing.  Why change a system just because you may get one crazy 5+ OT game every decade?  Well over 90% of OT games are settled within a couple OT periods.  The NFL system is far too reliant on the coin toss.

Au Contraire!  College teams that win the OT coin toss have a greater chance of winning than their NFL counterparts:





Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 28, 2019, 04:16:15 PM
Watching the LSU/Aggies OT game, by the end of the game both defenses were too gassed to make a stop.  That's my real problem with extended OT games -- not some generic "player safety" argument, but real football terms --  every game turns into a Big12 game by the end.  So I stick with my position:

After 3 OTs, call it a tie.  But don't require teams to go for 2 point conversations -- leave it up to a coaching decision, like the good ole days, whether to go for the tie or a win at the end.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 29, 2019, 05:22:45 AM
Watching the LSU/Aggies OT game, by the end of the game both defenses were too gassed to make a stop.  That's my real problem with extended OT games -- not some generic "player safety" argument, but real football terms --  every game turns into a Big12 game by the end.  So I stick with my position:

After 3 OTs, call it a tie.  But don't require teams to go for 2 point conversations -- leave it up to a coaching decision, like the good ole days, whether to go for the tie or a win at the end.

I like it.   :clap:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: ricky023 on January 29, 2019, 07:39:00 AM
Watching the LSU/Aggies OT game, by the end of the game both defenses were too gassed to make a stop.  That's my real problem with extended OT games -- not some generic "player safety" argument, but real football terms --  every game turns into a Big12 game by the end.  So I stick with my position:

After 3 OTs, call it a tie.  But don't require teams to go for 2 point conversations -- leave it up to a coaching decision, like the good ole days, whether to go for the tie or a win at the end.

I like it.   :clap:


I could live with this one. RTR!


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 29, 2019, 11:21:48 AM
Watching the LSU/Aggies OT game, by the end of the game both defenses were too gassed to make a stop.  That's my real problem with extended OT games -- not some generic "player safety" argument, but real football terms --  every game turns into a Big12 game by the end.  So I stick with my position:

After 3 OTs, call it a tie.  But don't require teams to go for 2 point conversations -- leave it up to a coaching decision, like the good ole days, whether to go for the tie or a win at the end.

I like it.   :clap:
That wouldn't work.  It makes too much sense...  :-X


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 29, 2019, 02:31:51 PM
Watching the LSU/Aggies OT game, by the end of the game both defenses were too gassed to make a stop.  That's my real problem with extended OT games -- not some generic "player safety" argument, but real football terms --  every game turns into a Big12 game by the end.  So I stick with my position:

After 3 OTs, call it a tie.  But don't require teams to go for 2 point conversations -- leave it up to a coaching decision, like the good ole days, whether to go for the tie or a win at the end.

I like it.   :clap:
That wouldn't work.  It makes too much sense...  :-X
Except for the part where my computer changed "conversions" to "conversations."    ???


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: SUPERCOACH on January 29, 2019, 03:00:36 PM
No amount of fair rules changes will make the game end any sooner because you are making it harder or easier for both teams.  :dunno:  Just suck it up and play ball!  This ain't tiddly winks!  :lol2:

Make them switch end zones after each OT to address the crowd issue.
They already do that. One team picks (usually to go on defense first), the other team picks the direction of play.  If tied after OT1, repeat the choices.

It just looks the same on TV.   :lol:

Quote
The winner of the toss may not defer the choice and must
choose one of the following options:
1. Offense or defense, with the offense at the opponent’s 25-yard line to
start the first possession series.
2. Which end of the field shall be used for both possession series of that
overtime period.
c. The loser of the toss shall exercise the remaining option for the first extra
period and shall have the first choice of the two options for subsequent
even-numbered extra periods.

http://amarefs.org/FR16.pdf

You sure about that?  ???

LSU/aTm never switched ends.  Unless the aTm fan with the green shirt on behind the end zone ran to the other end of the field each time.  :lol2:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 29, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
No amount of fair rules changes will make the game end any sooner because you are making it harder or easier for both teams.  :dunno:  Just suck it up and play ball!  This ain't tiddly winks!  :lol2:

Make them switch end zones after each OT to address the crowd issue.
They already do that. One team picks (usually to go on defense first), the other team picks the direction of play.  If tied after OT1, repeat the choices.

It just looks the same on TV.   :lol:

Quote
The winner of the toss may not defer the choice and must
choose one of the following options:
1. Offense or defense, with the offense at the opponent’s 25-yard line to
start the first possession series.
2. Which end of the field shall be used for both possession series of that
overtime period.
c. The loser of the toss shall exercise the remaining option for the first extra
period and shall have the first choice of the two options for subsequent
even-numbered extra periods.

http://amarefs.org/FR16.pdf

You sure about that?  ???

LSU/aTm never switched ends.  Unless the aTm fan with the green shirt on behind the end zone ran to the other end of the field each time.  :lol2:
Well the rules appear to allow it... maybe there were two Aggie fans wearing green shirts, or the coach didn't care? 


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: SUPERCOACH on January 29, 2019, 10:58:20 PM
No amount of fair rules changes will make the game end any sooner because you are making it harder or easier for both teams.  :dunno:  Just suck it up and play ball!  This ain't tiddly winks!  :lol2:

Make them switch end zones after each OT to address the crowd issue.
They already do that. One team picks (usually to go on defense first), the other team picks the direction of play.  If tied after OT1, repeat the choices.

It just looks the same on TV.   :lol:

Quote
The winner of the toss may not defer the choice and must
choose one of the following options:
1. Offense or defense, with the offense at the opponent’s 25-yard line to
start the first possession series.
2. Which end of the field shall be used for both possession series of that
overtime period.
c. The loser of the toss shall exercise the remaining option for the first extra
period and shall have the first choice of the two options for subsequent
even-numbered extra periods.

http://amarefs.org/FR16.pdf

You sure about that?  ???

LSU/aTm never switched ends.  Unless the aTm fan with the green shirt on behind the end zone ran to the other end of the field each time.  :lol2:
Well the rules appear to allow it... maybe there were two Aggie fans wearing green shirts, or the coach didn't care? 

Allowing it is not the same as making them switch.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Chechem on January 30, 2019, 05:31:57 AM
How about playing perpendicular to the field, facing each bench, after the first OT?

 :deadhorse:


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 30, 2019, 05:36:41 AM
Allowing it is not the same as making them switch.
The refs can't make them switch.  The coaches/team captains decide.  Maybe there was no good end zone to pick in College Station?


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 30, 2019, 08:18:30 AM
Well, if they are going to force teams to go for 2 after scoring a TD, just make the 50 yardline the goal line and let each team play toward whichever direction they choose.  That way would remove any "home goal" benefit to some degree.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 30, 2019, 08:27:09 AM
Well, if they are going to force teams to go for 2 after scoring a TD, just make the 50 yardline the goal line and let each team play toward whichever direction they choose.  That way would remove any "home goal" benefit to some degree.
Except maybe they just need a FG.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on January 30, 2019, 08:44:53 AM
It really doesn't need changing.


Title: Re: Possible FB Rules Changes
Post by: SUPERCOACH on January 30, 2019, 10:34:05 AM
Allowing it is not the same as making them switch.
The refs can't make them switch.  The coaches/team captains decide.  Maybe there was no good end zone to pick in College Station?

Hence the proposed rule change to make them switch.  :lol2: