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Title: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 11, 2019, 01:05:53 PM
Now with the news that Dan Enos is going to Miami as OC, the question has to be asked:  why does Bama continually have so much turnover among ass't coaches every year?  Honestly, I don't know the answer to that.  But I do think it's going to affect the program, recruiting etc., more and more if this keeps happening.

In my experience, every job change involves a push from the current job and a pull from the new one.  What's pushing and what's pulling?

What do you guys think?

(On another matter, I'd say the odds that Jalen transfers to Miami just went up.)



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 11, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
Well one thing about it how hard CNS expects his staff to work. Next is the money, if we could pay a staff more money maybe they stay. If Miami can Enos seems to me we could raise his pay and keep him. Other than this I don't know but everybody knows we go to the playoffs every year and these other teams think they can do it with our coaches after being with CNS. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: hscoach on January 11, 2019, 02:17:01 PM
First, like ricky said, Saban is hard to work for.  One coach told us, when I was coaching, that when Saban left MSU for LSU he sent the jet back for assistants and no one got on.  Second, successful programs assistant coaches are going to be in high demand.  Just look at the SEC where Muschamp, Fisher, Smart, and Puritt were all coaches under Saban.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 11, 2019, 04:23:16 PM
I can't help but wonder how much longer Coach Saban is going to put up with attrition of his coaches.  I can't help but wonder if he just might get tired of his assistants leaving and decide that it is no longer worth the effort to try and retain, replace, and retrain his assistant coaches...and head to the lake...


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Merk on January 11, 2019, 05:47:03 PM
This is a question that has been all over social media today. I think Ricky and coach got it right. But, there could be an additional dimension to this; maybe, after such a terrible loss to Clemson, CNS isn't trying to keep them and just letting them go their merry way.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: hscoach on January 11, 2019, 05:49:50 PM
Many of these coaches don't have a real tie to Bama, ie they didn't play there or they aren't from Alabama.  I think this makes it easier to leave.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: 2Stater on January 11, 2019, 05:54:34 PM
We reload every year with players. We’ll do it again with the coaches and we won’t miss a beat. Saban always regroups well.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 11, 2019, 06:52:32 PM
I'll be curious to see who he recoups with. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: hscoach on January 11, 2019, 07:57:12 PM
Which programs usually have good OL's?  Stanford and Iowa are usually know for their OL.  Maybe go to NFL staffs who has been fired this year.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 12, 2019, 08:57:57 AM
First, like ricky said, Saban is hard to work for.  One coach told us, when I was coaching, that when Saban left MSU for LSU he sent the jet back for assistants and no one got on.  Second, successful programs assistant coaches are going to be in high demand.  Just look at the SEC where Muschamp, Fisher, Smart, and Puritt were all coaches under Saban.

No one questions Saban is hard to work for.  I think these coaches with no ties to Alabama or Saban see the job as a stepping stone, a resume builder.  Grind it out a few years then move on.

Saban is old school, all hard work.  Dabo has kept his assistants for several years, emphasizing hard work and having fun at the same time.  While Clemson hasn't had the same exact level of success as Bama, they're a close #2.  And they're Clemson, without the same history or State recruiting base as Alabama.  I think Bama gets revenge on Clemson next year, and Saban still is the master, but here's food for thought:  Dabo is about the same age as Saban was when he took the LSU job.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 14, 2019, 10:32:21 AM
There is thought floating around on some websites that Saban wanted to run a spread offense (I guess like we've been doing) and Enos wanted to go to more of a pro set.



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: 2Stater on January 14, 2019, 01:25:22 PM
There is thought floating around on some websites that Saban wanted to run a spread offense (I guess like we've been doing) and Enos wanted to go to more of a pro set.



You know times have changed in college football when Saban would choose the spread offense over a pro set.  :lol2:


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: bamaphil on January 15, 2019, 03:54:05 PM
Remember four years ago when all the talking heads were declaring the Bama dynasty over after losses to Ole Miss in the regular season and OSU in the first playoff?  Remember how we’ve played in four straight championships since and won two of them?

I ain’t worried about the current situation.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 15, 2019, 04:53:21 PM
Remember four years ago when all the talking heads were declaring the Bama dynasty over after losses to Ole Miss in the regular season and OSU in the first playoff?  Remember how we’ve played in four straight championships since and won two of them?

I ain’t worried about the current situation.
And we've also been the only team to be included in all 5 CFP's since it's inception...


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 15, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
The most stated reasons for turnover of ass't coaches seem to be: [1] CNS is hard to work for [2] ass't coaches with experience at successful programs are in high demand [3] lack of 'real' ties to Bama.

Well #1 isn't lkely to change.  And if it really is THAT hard to work for CNS, then this factor will continue.

#2 seems to cause more turnover at Bama than other places.  Clemson has a very successful program but their staff has largely been in place for several years.  Maybe it's that no program has been as successful as Bama and this amount of turnover is the price of success.  I dunno.

#3 -- a point made by hscoach, bears some thought.  Don't know if CNS considers "having Bama blood" as a hiring criteria, but maybe he should.

I thought this article about how Gattis after telling CNS (and Locks) he was going to Maryland, ended up going to Mich, is interesting.  Kinda like he had no loyalty to anybody, and not even to his word to Locks.  Sheesh...

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-josh-gattis-left-alabama-for-michigan-instead-of-maryland.html



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 20, 2019, 10:01:16 PM
Here's an ESPN story with all the latest news on  hirings.  Doesn't mention Vinnie

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25811559/alabama-fills-four-vacant-assistant-coach-positions


IMHO, sounds like CNS is giving some on recruiting skills and getting back to proven coaching skills.  Still not clear how all the pieces will fit together especially on D.


NOTE:  Fixed earlier link which was wrong.  Sorry about that!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Chechem on January 21, 2019, 05:37:19 AM
CNS knows he let a natty get away.  Worst performance in a long time.
Just hope the changes prove worthwhile and productive.

 :popcorn2:


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 21, 2019, 09:10:47 AM
Here's an ESPN story with all the latest news on  hirings.  Doesn't mention Vinnie

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-will-publicly-admit-error-on-key-non-call-in-rams-saints/ar-BBSwdKz?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

IMHO, sounds like CNS is giving some on recruiting skills and getting back to proven coaching skills.  Still not clear how all the pieces will fit together especially on D.


Could be because Vinnie is a grad assistant and not a "hire."


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 21, 2019, 09:25:47 AM
I couldn't get the story to pull up. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 21, 2019, 09:57:18 AM
I couldn't get the story to pull up. RTR!

Try it now Preacher.  I goofed on posting the earlier link.  Sorry...


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 21, 2019, 10:33:53 AM
Alabama fills four vacant assistant coach positions

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Alabama has added four new assistant coaches to its staff in Charles Kelly, Sal Sunseri, Kyle Flood and most recently Charles Huff, sources confirmed to ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25811559/alabama-fills-four-vacant-assistant-coach-positions


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 21, 2019, 11:35:26 AM
Alabama fills four vacant assistant coach positions

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Alabama has added four new assistant coaches to its staff in Charles Kelly, Sal Sunseri, Kyle Flood and most recently Charles Huff, sources confirmed to ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25811559/alabama-fills-four-vacant-assistant-coach-positions


I want to know; does anybody know how good these coaches are other than Coach Sunseri? RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 21, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Alabama fills four vacant assistant coach positions

Quote
Alabama has added four new assistant coaches to its staff in Charles Kelly, Sal Sunseri, Kyle Flood and most recently Charles Huff, sources confirmed to ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25811559/alabama-fills-four-vacant-assistant-coach-positions


I want to know; does anybody know how good these coaches are other than Coach Sunseri? RTR!
Yes, Coach Saban does and that is what matters...


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 21, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
Alabama fills four vacant assistant coach positions

Quote
Alabama has added four new assistant coaches to its staff in Charles Kelly, Sal Sunseri, Kyle Flood and most recently Charles Huff, sources confirmed to ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25811559/alabama-fills-four-vacant-assistant-coach-positions


I want to know; does anybody know how good these coaches are other than Coach Sunseri? RTR!
Yes, Coach Saban does and that is what matters...



Great answer NALT. He does or he wouldn't hire them I don't imagine. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: SUPERCOACH on January 21, 2019, 03:33:15 PM
Alabama fills four vacant assistant coach positions

Quote
Alabama has added four new assistant coaches to its staff in Charles Kelly, Sal Sunseri, Kyle Flood and most recently Charles Huff, sources confirmed to ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25811559/alabama-fills-four-vacant-assistant-coach-positions


I want to know; does anybody know how good these coaches are other than Coach Sunseri? RTR!
Yes, Coach Saban does and that is what matters...

:clap:


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on January 22, 2019, 08:11:37 AM

IMHO, sounds like CNS is giving some on recruiting skills and getting back to proven coaching skills.


Probably a solid strategy for the last couple years of a career.

:tinfoil:


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 23, 2019, 09:44:19 AM
The coaches just keep on coming....

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/alabama-expected-to-hire-wr-coach-from-acc-school.html



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: 2Stater on January 23, 2019, 11:39:37 AM
Holmon Wiggins isn't exactly a household name, but if he was the WR at Memphis before that, he can't be too bad.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 23, 2019, 03:52:41 PM
Holmon Wiggins isn't exactly a household name, but if he was the WR at Memphis before that, he can't be too bad.

That was my reaction too 2....  In fact, most of these hires aren't household names or, on the surface, obvious choices.  But I always figure CNS has a list of coaching candidates in his desk drawer and isn't starting from scratch when openings come.  It's amazing how quickly he can fill openings. Time will tell how good they are at coaching up our players.

I'm still wondering how all these changes will affect Feb signings.  Still a couple of top guys out there.



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 23, 2019, 04:08:09 PM
I hope he teaches our WR's how to push without being caught like Clemson does. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Leewillie on January 23, 2019, 05:03:31 PM
What is Butch Jones going to do. Some had speculated that he might be coaching tight ends and receivers.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 23, 2019, 06:27:33 PM
What is Butch Jones going to do. Some had speculated that he might be coaching tight ends and receivers.


Hey Leewillie hope all is well. I haven't heard anything from my friend about him either. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on January 24, 2019, 11:54:35 AM
What is Butch Jones going to do. Some had speculated that he might be coaching tight ends and receivers.

Currently expected to continue in an off-the-field capacity, but reportedly will be key in helping develop offensive gameplans.

He's still collecting $200,000/mo from Tennessee, so I think he's happy for now.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 27, 2019, 07:55:14 PM
Add another Missie St coach to the Bama list:

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/alabama-expected-to-add-another-coach-from-mississippi-state.html



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Chechem on January 28, 2019, 05:28:54 AM
Add another Missie St coach to the Bama list:

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/alabama-expected-to-add-another-coach-from-mississippi-state.html

That's quite a catch!   #+


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 28, 2019, 08:19:32 AM
Add another Missie St coach to the Bama list:

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/alabama-expected-to-add-another-coach-from-mississippi-state.html

That's quite a catch!   #+


MSU seem to have good players on their D-line so this has to be a good coach. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 30, 2019, 08:45:23 AM
You need a program to keep up with all the coaching goings & comings.  Here's the latest rundown:

https://www.al.com/expo/sports/g66l-2019/01/642cfba0a85322/guide-to-2019-alabama-coaching-staff-changes.html


Most of these new hires sound like decent recruiters.  Not sure about the OL guy from Rutgers.



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: hscoach on January 30, 2019, 01:55:50 PM
Just saw where Mike Stoops may be headed to Bama.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on January 30, 2019, 02:06:38 PM
Bama is also likely adding a third Sunseri.  Tino is expected to take a staff position (off-the-field role).


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: 2Stater on January 30, 2019, 02:57:03 PM
Things are ramping up, especially if Mike Stoops is coming. Can't imagine why CNS would want him, though.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: hscoach on January 30, 2019, 02:59:37 PM
Things are ramping up, especially if Mike Stoops is coming. Can't imagine why CNS would want him, though.

Mike not Bob.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: 2Stater on January 30, 2019, 03:06:31 PM
Things are ramping up, especially if Mike Stoops is coming. Can't imagine why CNS would want him, though.

Mike not Bob.

I typed Bob by mistake but edited. My 'Sometimerz" kicked in.  :lol2:


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: hscoach on January 30, 2019, 03:08:25 PM
Things are ramping up, especially if Mike Stoops is coming. Can't imagine why CNS would want him, though.

Mike not Bob.

I typed Bob by mistake but edited. My 'Sometimerz" kicked in.  :lol2:

I thought I was the only one that had that.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: N.AL-Tider on January 30, 2019, 03:27:45 PM
Things are ramping up, especially if Mike Stoops is coming. Can't imagine why CNS would want him, though.

Mike not Bob.

I typed Bob by mistake but edited. My 'Sometimerz" kicked in.  :lol2:

I thought I was the only one that had that.
I wish I had sometimerz.  My alltimerz is killing me...  :'(


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on January 30, 2019, 05:05:25 PM
Mike Stoops would be a fair pick up. He coached the defense good as I recall. Somebody help me out there. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: lstephen on January 30, 2019, 06:28:36 PM
I'm glad others were wondering about Butch Jones.

And, if CNS is so hard to work for, why are the Sunseris back for a dose?  I mean, he may be hard to work for if you don't work hard or spend your time chasing coeds but the pay, bonuses and the rings are worth something!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 30, 2019, 07:12:16 PM
Mike Stoops is coming as a analyst.  Sounds like another rehab project, or maybe this is CNS way of hiring coaches-in-waiting.

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/former-oklahoma-dc-expected-to-join-alabama-staff.html



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Catch Prothro on January 30, 2019, 08:53:35 PM
Mike Stoops is coming as a analyst.  Sounds like another rehab project, or maybe this is CNS way of hiring coaches-in-waiting.

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/former-oklahoma-dc-expected-to-join-alabama-staff.html


Dude, it really is Stoops!!!      8)


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: 2Stater on January 31, 2019, 05:37:03 AM
Mike Stoops is coming as a analyst.  Sounds like another rehab project, or maybe this is CNS way of hiring coaches-in-waiting.

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/former-oklahoma-dc-expected-to-join-alabama-staff.html


Dude, it really is Stoops!!!      8)

 :lol:


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Chechem on January 31, 2019, 06:05:51 AM
Seriously, if you doubt the new assistant coaches, listen to the latest Andrew Bone update in the RECRUITING THREAD.  Our assistants are busy with the top recruits.

 #+


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on January 31, 2019, 10:34:57 AM
Mike Stoops is coming as a analyst.  Sounds like another rehab project, or maybe this is CNS way of hiring coaches-in-waiting.

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/former-oklahoma-dc-expected-to-join-alabama-staff.html


Dude, it really is Stoops!!!      8)

YESSSSS!!! After all these years....it's STOOPS!!!



Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: hscoach on February 07, 2019, 11:52:48 AM
Looks like we are losing running back coach Joe Pannunzio to the Eagles.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on February 07, 2019, 12:02:29 PM
Looks like we are losing running back coach Joe Pannunzio to the Eagles.

He'd already been replaced by Miss State's RB coach, so I don't think he had a place with the on-the-field staff.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on February 15, 2019, 06:49:23 PM
Today's press release closes the book on the coaching turnover....for this year!

https://www.tidesports.com/alabama-names-2019-football-coaching-staff/


This was really a major overhaul of the ass't coaches lineup.  Some left on their own, others were pushed but in some cases some left BEFORE they were pushed.

This degree of coaching turnover is not a good situation. I'm sure CNS knows that.  Like many on this board, I'm hoping for stability next year.

RTR


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Catch Prothro on February 15, 2019, 07:42:42 PM
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Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on February 16, 2019, 08:52:52 AM
 :pray: this is a good looking coaching staff. The work they have done is good so now we will see what they can do with some real talent. RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: lstephen on February 16, 2019, 11:02:58 AM
Anybody know if Butch Jones is staying on as an analyst?  Also, did the Stoops rumor ever get confirmed?


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: pmull on February 16, 2019, 11:13:07 AM
Anybody know if Butch Jones is staying on as an analyst?  Also, did the Stoops rumor ever get confirmed?

B. Jones is at Maryland. M. Stoops is at Alabama.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on February 16, 2019, 11:16:21 AM
Anybody know if Butch Jones is staying on as an analyst?  Also, did the Stoops rumor ever get confirmed?

B. Jones is at Maryland. M. Stoops is at Alabama.


Is Stoops gonna be an analyst? RTR!


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Chechem on February 16, 2019, 05:30:44 PM
Anybody know if Butch Jones is staying on as an analyst?  Also, did the Stoops rumor ever get confirmed?

B. Jones is at Maryland. M. Stoops is at Alabama.
Is Stoops gonna be an analyst? RTR!

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Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on February 18, 2019, 09:47:09 AM
Ansley, who coached our secondary for a year or two, is now at Tennessee with Pruitt as DC.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: 2Stater on February 18, 2019, 12:34:12 PM
Ansley, who coached our secondary for a year or two, is now at Tennessee with Pruitt as DC.

Everybody is snatching up our table scraps.  :lol2:


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: McBaman on February 20, 2019, 08:51:20 AM
The Bama Home For Fallen Coaches has another resident....

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/02/major-applewhite-joining-alabama-staff.html


Just when you thought it was over.....another guy pops up!!  I think the players heads must be spinning over all the comings & goings.


Title: Re: Ass't Coaches Turnover
Post by: ricky023 on February 20, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
 :o :o they come home to learn from the master again. RTR!