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Title: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: hscoach on September 03, 2017, 11:39:45 AM
FSU vs Bama

First, congrats to the Bama players and coaches on a hard-fought victory.  I think this was a quality opponent with a stout defense and potentially explosive offense.

OFFFENSE:   The offense had to fight for every yard they gained last night.  They ended up with 269 yards of total offense. This was broken down by 96 yards passing and 173 rushing.  I only have Bama for 6 total plays for 10+ yards.  They had 3 runs and 3 pass plays that cover that distance.  A holding negated one pass play which I didn’t count.  I think one of the most telling signs was I have Bama for only 6 negative plays, 7 if you count the bad snap.  Bama gave up 2 sacks and was tackled for a loss only 4 times.  This seems to be less than the average from last year.  The worse part of the game to me was the wasted field position especially created by special teams.  In the red zone Bama only got 1 touchdown with 4 trips which included 3 field goals.  This is just my opinion but I thought Bama used a very vanilla offense.  Many teams will use screen passes slow down the pass rush and I don’t think Bama threw one.  Bama is going to have to come up with a solution when you have the back to one side and you have two defenders outside the tackle to the other side.

QB: I thought Hurts played well last night.  I think you can see a difference with his footwork and deep balls.  He did miss a couple of deep balls, one which may have been catchable.  The other was overthrown but it was thrown to the proper area.  He wasn’t underthrowing the ball like last year.  It also seems that balls were delivered to the areas where they could be caught.  Not a lot of balls thrown behind rec. like last year.  The D harassed him many times.  Hurts may not have made big plays but they weren’t negative or forced into turnovers.

RB:   They ran hard and had to work for every yard.  Harris, to me, looked quicker and faster than last year.  There were a couple of missed pass blocks which I feel will be corrected.  You must remember this was a quality defense. 

Rec:  Ridley had a good game, except for the pass that was turned into an 11-yard loss.  He was the only rec with a catch while the other completions went to the backs.  It is easy to see that Hurts has confidence in him but others need to get receptions.

OL:   This was hard to determine on how well they played.  It seems all were beat at least once.  But then you look at the total of negative plays.  I didn’t count how many times Hurts was rushed or forced out of the pocket on pass plays but there were several.  The snapped that was rolled back there, according to the announcers because I couldn’t see it on TV, could have cost a TD because they said Bo was open in the end zone.  I will say I did think the tight ends did a decent job blocking.  Smith had a big block on the TD run by Harris.

Defense:  The defense played a very good game.  They gave up a total of 250 yards.  This included 210 passing and 40 rushing.  This is also against a qb that can run the ball.  Bama’s defense gave up only 65 yards in the second half.  There are a couple of factors that helped this.  One, the defense played well and two the special teams kept FSU in poor field position and got turnovers.  I have Bama for 3 sacks, 9 tackles for losses, and 2 interceptions.  Also, I have the defense getting 4 three and outs and a couple of less than three and outs.  FSU didn’t have a run of over 10 yards but they had 9 pass plays of over 10 yards. 

DL:  I thought they played very well.  You could pick out anyone of them and see they had an impact at different points in the game. 

LB:  Again, here they played well.  Each one had plays that were huge.  Also, I didn’t notice, but read, where Evans didn’t play the second half.  This is important because the defense didn’t miss a beat with him out and his replacement had an int.

DB:  I thought they played well.  Many of the completions were in the middle of the field where linebacker had vacated.  FSU had a tall 6’5” rec that did win the battle for the touchdown. Also, the credit should be given to passes that were thrown in the perfect area for the rec to make a catch.  I am a big believer of going after the arms instead of the ball on the taller rec.  However, the man, Saban, is a lot smarter than I am.

Special Teams:  This is the areas where Bama won the game.  The only marks on the special teams were the shank punt for 9 yards and the two missed field goals.  Scott made up for this by pinning FSU deep on a couple of punts.  The good news is the defense bailed them out.   Kick offs were covered well and forced a turnover.  Punt returns were no problem as all were handled well.  Also, they blocked a punt which put Bama in the red zone. Kick-off returns, I thought he shouldn’t have brought one out.  You should not only look at the depth of the kick off but also the height of the kick.  What I also think is good news is the last field goal was well struck.

Penalties:   Bama had 5 penalties and the biggest was the holding on Cotton which negated a 26-yard pass.  The other big one was the pass interference by Averett.
Finally:  Bama beat a quality opponent and the deficit could/should have been bigger. However, Bama also got away with what could have been a PI call.  It was good to see the new players step in and play well.  Hopefully, they won’t pat themselves on the back and will continue to improve because there is plenty of room for improvement.

Feel free to comment:

16 and Counting


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: lstephen on September 03, 2017, 11:54:21 AM
Thanks, coach.  Great notes.  I now know that football is back!  ROLL TIDE!!!!


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: Leewillie on September 03, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
Thanks coach. Always enjoy your comments.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: KoKoPuf on September 03, 2017, 02:15:22 PM
i thought the offense looked awful! If this is DaBoll's best, Bama is in trouble. Hurts was OK, but the lack of a passing threat allowed FSU to move everyone up and pretty much stifle Bama's running game. Kicking game was awful! Where do they find these guys? Do they ever practice? Good/great HS kickers should jump at the chance to come to Bama and this is the best we can find?  Bama should roll through the regular season but late season and playoffs, if we make them, are going to be tough. i will go ahead and say it, Bama can't win a championship unless Hurts significantly improves his passing! Rant over, on to next week.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: 2Stater on September 03, 2017, 02:29:30 PM
Great analysis as always, Coach!

I have to give all the credit for our shortcomings to FSU. They played an extremely physical game. Make no mistake, they are a very good team. May end up being the best team we play all year. Unfortunately, their record may not reflect it with the injury to Francois.

Not saying we don't have a lot of room for improvement, but my hat's off to FSU.

I was really looking forward to seeing a lot of improvement in the O line. Oh well, maybe against Fresno St.

Very proud of the D pulling it together in the second half. And the special teams, holy crap! Everybody knew that Bobby Williams was our ST coach, because we had to identify someone to put the blame on. I have no idea who the ST coach is, currently, but kudos to him. Just got to get our kicking game together.

I'm very pleased with the win. Roll Tide!


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: bama57 on September 03, 2017, 03:31:40 PM
Great analysis as always, Coach!

I have to give all the credit for our shortcomings to FSU. They played an extremely physical game. Make no mistake, they are a very good team. May end up being the best team we play all year. Unfortunately, their record may not reflect it with the injury to Francois.

Not saying we don't have a lot of room for improvement, but my hat's off to FSU.

I was really looking forward to seeing a lot of improvement in the O line. Oh well, maybe against Fresno St.

Very proud of the D pulling it together in the second half. And the special teams, holy crap! Everybody knew that Bobby Williams was our ST coach, because we had to identify someone to put the blame on. I have no idea who the ST coach is, currently, but kudos to him. Just got to get our kicking game together.

I'm very pleased with the win. Roll Tide!
Burton Burns and Joe panozzo


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: 2Stater on September 03, 2017, 03:43:41 PM
Great analysis as always, Coach!

I have to give all the credit for our shortcomings to FSU. They played an extremely physical game. Make no mistake, they are a very good team. May end up being the best team we play all year. Unfortunately, their record may not reflect it with the injury to Francois.

Not saying we don't have a lot of room for improvement, but my hat's off to FSU.

I was really looking forward to seeing a lot of improvement in the O line. Oh well, maybe against Fresno St.

Very proud of the D pulling it together in the second half. And the special teams, holy crap! Everybody knew that Bobby Williams was our ST coach, because we had to identify someone to put the blame on. I have no idea who the ST coach is, currently, but kudos to him. Just got to get our kicking game together.

I'm very pleased with the win. Roll Tide!
Burton Burns and Joe panozzo

Thanks, 57.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: Merk on September 03, 2017, 06:00:47 PM
Spot on analysis, as usual, Coach.

Was a little surprised we didn't  see Tua at the end playing some clean up. Guess CNS didn't want to take the chance of a mistake late in the game with the cushion we had. Anyway, as Saban said, he knows now what he needs to work on.

Bummer we lost two LB's to injury for the year.  :'(


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: 2Stater on September 03, 2017, 06:50:57 PM
Spot on analysis, as usual, Coach.

Was a little surprised we didn't  see Tua at the end playing some clean up. Guess CNS didn't want to take the chance of a mistake late in the game with the cushion we had. Anyway, as Saban said, he knows now what he needs to work on.

Bummer we lost two LB's to injury for the year.  :'(

No kidding.  :(


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: SUPERCOACH on September 03, 2017, 10:37:26 PM
Spot on analysis, as usual, Coach.

Was a little surprised we didn't  see Tua at the end playing some clean up. Guess CNS didn't want to take the chance of a mistake late in the game with the cushion we had. Anyway, as Saban said, he knows now what he needs to work on.

Bummer we lost two LB's to injury for the year.  :'(

You should see the other team.  I think FSU got the worst of it by far.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: Chechem on September 04, 2017, 06:24:57 AM
Great job again, hscoach.   :worship:

I know it's hard to include a TE in the passing game against a great defensive line.  He must help block.  BUT, I thought Daboll's big change this year was using the TE more.

Did the TE ever get a pass?  Maybe this week??


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: hscoach on September 04, 2017, 10:45:36 AM
Spot on analysis, as usual, Coach.

Was a little surprised we didn't  see Tua at the end playing some clean up. Guess CNS didn't want to take the chance of a mistake late in the game with the cushion we had. Anyway, as Saban said, he knows now what he needs to work on.

Bummer we lost two LB's to injury for the year.  :'(

Probably wanted to keep the more experienced players in at that moment.  One bad play can demoralize a young player.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: hscoach on September 04, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
Great analysis as always, Coach!

I have to give all the credit for our shortcomings to FSU. They played an extremely physical game. Make no mistake, they are a very good team. May end up being the best team we play all year. Unfortunately, their record may not reflect it with the injury to Francois.

Not saying we don't have a lot of room for improvement, but my hat's off to FSU.

I was really looking forward to seeing a lot of improvement in the O line. Oh well, maybe against Fresno St.

Very proud of the D pulling it together in the second half. And the special teams, holy crap! Everybody knew that Bobby Williams was our ST coach, because we had to identify someone to put the blame on. I have no idea who the ST coach is, currently, but kudos to him. Just got to get our kicking game together.

I'm very pleased with the win. Roll Tide!

I agree.  The O has some work to do especially with pass blocking and picking-up/recognizing where the blitz is coming from.  You have to either block it or handle it with blitz killing routes.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: hscoach on September 04, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
Great job again, hscoach.   :worship:

I know it's hard to include a TE in the passing game against a great defensive line.  He must help block.  BUT, I thought Daboll's big change this year was using the TE more.

Did the TE ever get a pass?  Maybe this week??

No tight end got a reception.  I don't know if they were a target or not on plays because many times Hurts was rushed/flushed.  The good thing I saw is Hurts didn't throw bad balls like last year.  What I mean by this is that the balls were thrown where the rec were the one to get to them.  How many times last year were balls underthrown and the defense given the opportunity for an interception or knocking the ball away?


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: carl childers on September 04, 2017, 11:15:08 AM
Great job as always. Where do you see the greatest area needed for improvement? I know a lot of folks would say the OL, but they were going up against an elite front. I don't think we see another defense as strong the rest of the season.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: hscoach on September 04, 2017, 11:23:33 AM
Great job as always. Where do you see the greatest area needed for improvement? I know a lot of folks would say the OL, but they were going up against an elite front. I don't think we see another defense as strong the rest of the season.

Right now I think the OL is not far away.  If you look at the total negative plays for the game.  That being said Hurts saved them a couple of times.  They have got to get the blitz pick up from the outside.  How many times did you see 2 defenders lined up  outside the tackle and one not getting picked up.  I am like you and others, I don't know if Bama will see another defense like FSU's.  I also think you are going to have to get more receivers involved in the game.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: XBAMA on September 04, 2017, 03:13:00 PM
as always .... GREAT Job HSC  !   :worship:



Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: McBaman on September 05, 2017, 09:45:26 AM
First, thanks to Coach for the great notes.

OK....so FSU was a tough, physical team.  There will be others so we gotta deal with it.

I think we are being polite.  IMHO...OL has a long, long way to go.  This has been an issue for at least 3-years. I thought with Christobal gone it would get better.  Didn't. What does it take?

Jalen still doesn't see the whole field.  Will he ever?

We made three -- count 'em -- three first downs in the 2nd half.  We can't expect to win big games with that kind of offense.

On the other hand...something about the DBs play seemed better than the last 2 - 3 years.  They seemed to be locating the ball more than last year.

Glad we won but it was costly. Hope these injuries don't bite down the road.


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: hscoach on September 05, 2017, 01:40:57 PM
Passes/attempts:
1.    The first attempt was on the 2nd play of the game and Hurts overthrew Ridley for what could have been a TD.  Good news is that he missed where he needed to miss.
2.   Second attempt was complete but the route was short of the first down marker.  Ball on target
3.   Third attempt right guard was beat and Hurts had no chance to look down field got back to LOS to save a negative play.
4.   Fourth attempt hit Bo on stride on a flair pass and he was stopped by a very good tackle.
5.   Fifth attempt ball batted back down to him for a completion to himself.  Here you have a cover guy coming off the inside rec on the blitz.
6.   Six attempt he looks right and comes back to the left to hit Ridley and the ball was on target.
7.   Seventh pressure coming from the left tackle position and Hurts takes off for a 20+ yard gain.  Probably could have stepped up but coverage looked man and he made a huge gain.
8.   Eight attempt threw a nice back shoulder throw to Ridley and he came down out of bounds.  The defender pushed him out of bounds for a good play.
9.   Ninth attempt ball was rolled back to him on the ground.  According to the announcers Bo was open in the end zone for a TD.  Hurts scrambled to avoid a negative play.
10.   Tenth thrown on target to Ridley for a first down.  It was a little low.
11.   Eleventh attempt 53 yard strike to Ridley hit on stride.  Last year ball was usually underthrown.
12.   Twelfth attempt no chance to set up on boot.  Guard is beat and looks like the center came off his block a little soon.  Threw the ball away to avoid a negative play.
13.   Thirteenth attempt there are two defenders lined up outside the right tackle no adjustment is made and Hurts is hit right before he throws the ball.
14.   Fourteenth looks  he is looking toward the TE, who didn’t get off the LOS and about the time he sets up he is pressured by the LT’s man along with the RT’s man. Sacked for about a 1 yard loss.
15.   Fifteenth looks like he checks down to Ridley on a 3rd and 7th and come up a yard or two short.
16.   Sixteenth blitzed from the left side in an empty set.  Two outside the LT and Hurts is on the run from the beginning.  Throws the ball away to avoid a sack.  Someone has to have a hot route to counter act this or needs to check out of the play.
17.   Seventeenth pressure from the left side as Bo misses his block.  Hurts scrambles and throw a dart to Jeudy for a 26 yard gain which is negated by a holding call on the RG.  Hurts may have been able to step up instead of scrambling.
18.   Eighteenth people may have thought it was a pass but it was QB draw all the way.
19.   Nineteenth complete to Harris for a first down.
20.   Twentieth Ridley going to be wide open and FSU commits a pass interference.
21.   Twenty first look like a RPO and he keeps for a short gain. 
22.   Twenty second a short wide  rec screen which Ridley stopped short on.  He lost 11 yards by running backwards.
23.   Twenty third on third and 18 has time but Hurts takes off.  TV doesn’t’ show what is going on downfield.
24.   Twenty fourth missed blocks again give the QB no time and he is sacked this time.  Bo, and the RT misses blocks.
25.   Twenty fifth low snap 4 man rush and RG, LT and RT don’t do a very good job.  Scramble picks up about 5 yards.
26.   Twenty sixth two point conversion looks like an PRO and he hits Ridley for the 2 points.
27.   Twenty seventh looking deep after an interception probably could have stepped up.  I would love to be able to see the complete field so I could see what the rec’ s looked like.
28.   Twenty eight pass complete to Ridley again a good tackle stops player short of first down, but going for it on 4th and 1.
29.   Twenty ninth off the finger tips to Ruggs III who probably could/should have caught it especially if he takes another step before reaching for the ball. 
30.   Thirtieth again pressure by the players over the two tackles and scrambles and makes a throw that Is placed only where the rec can get it but out of bounds.
31.   Thirty first blitz comes off the inside rec and if that rec runs a slant or quick post he could possibly get the ball for a TD.  Hurts is pressured before he can set up and throws the ball away to prevent a negative play.
32.   Thirty second look like an RPO that get immediate pressure so Hurts keeps to avoid a negative play.


Problem OL must do a better job especially at the tackle position.  They have a problem when a TE is lined up on their side and the defender is wide
Problem rec must have some type of hot route adjustments on blitzes
Problem you must be able to check out of some plays
Problem back must do a better job at one on one passing definite passing situations.
The good thing is Bama could have easily scored two more touc


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: SUPERCOACH on September 06, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
Excellent analysis of each pass play coach.

:clap:


Title: Re: Game notes: FSU vs Bama
Post by: ricky023 on September 06, 2017, 08:03:28 PM
 #+, I gotta give you an e-cred for the passing list hscoach. That is fantastic. RTR!