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Well, at least we aren't getting blown out every game, but losing to JSU? Ouch! First year coach with key injuries so I am gritting this one out.


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https://www.tidesports.com/alabama-baseball-season-slipping-away/

Bama is a football school.  Get over it...

It is killing me the team has regressed to this point. CMG was ready to be replaced because he was stuck in a mid-SEC pack. We made the SEC Tournament every year and was a bubble NCAA team most years. We have fallen off the charts. The worst team and record I can recall. Looking at the record book confirms one of the worst teams in our history.

I expected Goff to perform much like basketball with CAJ. Not much improvement in the first year but no slippage to be bottom either. I expect a lot of energy and hard play. Pitching should be our strength and it turned into a weakness. CAJ showed us in year one the future looked good. I do not see that with Goff.

It is highly unlikely he will be let go after one year but it would not surprise me. There is no reason Baseball cannot be a consistent NCAA team.

I refuse to accept we are a football school only and other sports do not matter. Alabama should not accept losing in any sport much less one of the big three men's sports.  >:(

WRONG!! This university has had outstanding sports programs now and in he past. Five National Championships in women's gymnastics, 5 trips to the College World Series, the most wins of any team in SEC baseball, the 2nd most titles in SEC basketball, National Championships in men's & women's golf, National Championship in women's softball, and overall excellence in sports. Alabama is much more than a "football school." Get over it and appreciate the school for it's accomplishments.



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We lost Game Two to LSU last night 7-4. We are now 2-18 in SEC play. We have lost 12 straight SEC games. 0-7 in SEC series. We are on pace to have the worst SEC record since the conference expanded to 30 games in 1995.

I am  :'( and  >:( about this at the same time. No excuse. We do not have top SEC talent but we should be winning some games. I am worried about this coaching staff. They do not seem to have any idea how to win games. We have gotten worse as the year goes on.

I'm sure missing the good old  days when coach Jim Well was regularly winning the conference championship, the SEC tournament and  going to Omaha.

 :(

Maybe someone could tell our coaches that if they were to score more runs than the other team then it would give our teams a better chance to win?   :dunno:

 :-X

^^^ THIS^^^ I don't care how good of a coach you have, if there is no talent on the team then don't expect any good results. I think Bama suffers from the scholarship situation in the conference big time compared to some of the other teams that have a state lottery but with that being said, Auburn seems to find better talent than we do and they have the same scholarship problems that we have. The teams that have the lottery in their state have a big recruiting advantage over the ones that don't.

Goff has had a terrible season but I think his cupboard was pretty bare when he came in. I'm not making excuses for his success this year but I do think until he can recruit better talent then we can't expect much better results from the team and I don't think the fan base has much tolerance for that to happen. I also think the fans thought the new stadium would bring good players just running to get to play at Bama and again look at the contacting difference in the scholarship programs that are being offered. We can thank Title IX for much of what we have today scholarship wise as well and I'm not blaming the ladies, just saying the SEC could do a better job of the scholarship program or the State of Alabama can vote in a lottery to even up the scholarships being handed out to compare to our neighboring states. JMHO

We have basically the same players we had last year. We have two of the weekend starters. We lost a great defensive catcher and we are weak at that position this but we get a better bat at catcher this year. Gaspard was 15-15 in SEC play. I expected us to be competitive this year. We are a joke. I think poor coaching has a lot to do. I certainly did not expect 15-29 and 2-19.

We are at a disadvantage with schools in states with lottery scholarships. That is a different discussion. My concern is we just went from a respectable program to the bottom of the league. Heck, we are the 5th best team in the state this year behind Auburn, South Alabama, Troy and Jacksonville. It is hard for me to blame this on CMG.

 :(

We clinched last place in the SEC West yesterday with 9 games to go.

woot

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ftr ....
playing second or third fiddle to the Alabama football program is real

we seem to be doing well is other sports. How does the lottery only bring us down in Baseball? ???

I am waiting to see the understanding on this one. RTR!

Football gets 85 scholarships. Basketball gets 13 which equals the entire team. Rarely does a walk-on play in either of these sports. Baseball gets 11.7 scholarships. We have 37 on the roster. We have 16 pitchers alone. We normally play 4 games a week and that uses 12-15 pitchers. Softball for example uses 3 for the entire year.

Baseball scholarships are offered out in 25% increments to make them go further. Stud players still require a full ride. A kid we offer 25% pays the other 75%. The same kid in Georgia gets 25% and another 50% from the Hope Scholarship and he only pays the remaining 25%.  It makes their scholarships go much further.

Alabama needs a lottery scholarship for more than just our baseball team. Most families are going into debt to put their kids through college. Kids are graduating with 10 years of student loan debt to repay.

Part of the problem is kids go $30,000-$50,000 in debt to be teacher, which pays $45-$55,000 a year. Or get a degree they will never use. The census had something like 200,000 folks listing their job as secretarial with college degrees, 80,000 bartenders with degrees, and so on. Just how many Literature, Art History, Sociology, Urban Studies, History, Political Science, & other liberal arts degrees do we really need?


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Thanks! I can understand this better now.Living in Tennessee I should have been more educated on the role of the lottery. I knew the lottery generated millions for college education, but, didn't realize how it could play such an important role in the scholarship program in regards to baseball

Alabama beats Auburn twice yesterday 4-3 & 7-6. We win our first SEC series of the season. We had lost 13 straight SEC games and we went to #9 (#1 SEC West) Auburn and beat them in Auburn.

We are still not very good and last place in the league. But for one weekend we went to Auburn and beat their azz. Roll Tide!

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The silver lining.  #+

Bama gets the sweep winning Game 3 11-9 in 15 innings. It last over 6 hours and was the longest game in Alabama Baseball history.

The win improved Alabama to 5-19 in SEC play. We have two series remaining with Florida and Vandy. The season has been a disaster but we can finish strong and gain some confidence going into the off season. We are still in last place by 2 games. We need to finish 12th to get to the SEC Tournament.

Auburn game into the series in overall 1st place in the SEC with a 14-7 record. We leave Auburn with them at 14-10 and tied for 6th. They looked like a sure bet to host a regional but that is now in jeopardy.

A very good weekend for the team!

If they are only going to win one SEC series, this is the one I'd want.  #+

I started listening to the game in 7th inning. Some very gruesome officiating by umpires with egregious bad calls against both teams. At least they were consistently wrong with both teams.


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Chandler Taylor is SEC player of the week after leading Bama to a sweep of Auburn.

http://www.scout.com/college/alabama/story/1776779-alabamas-taylor-sec-player-week

Bama beat Grambling last night 12-2 in 8 innings.

Talking about baseball scholarships is something I don't get. We had a $67 mil profit 2 years ago, so why not pay for some baseball schollys? Like I said, I'm lost on this problem.



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Know the NCAA rules on scholarships...

HTH

The NCAA says we can not pay for baseball scholarships from athletic funds? Still don't understand.



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Title 9 is great for women but bad for men. Even though more high school boys play sports an equal amount of college scholarships have to be given. Football has 85 so other men's sports suffer. Women get more basketball, softball, track, tennis, golf and soccer scholarships than the men. According to the NCAA it is not about money. It is about women being equal. Bottom line is schools are giving out trivial scholarships in meaningless sports rather than to the revenue sports that pay the way for all sports.

Sorry for the poor cut and paste but scholarship limits for each sport is listed below.

Sport   Men's   Women's
Baseball/softball   11.7   12
Basketball   13   15
Bowling   0   5
Equestrian   0   15
Fencing   4.5   5
Field hockey0   12
Football   85   0
Golf           4.5   6
Gymnastics   6.3   12
Ice hockey   18   18
Lacrosse   12.6   12
Rifle           3.6    0
Rowing   0   20
Rugby   0   12
Sand volleyball   0   3*
Skiing          6.3   7
Soccer   9.9   14
Swimming/diving   9.9   14
Tennis   4.5   8
Track and field/
cross-country   12.6   18
Volleyball   4.5   12
Water polo   4.5   8
Wrestling   9.9   0

Why is money such a big deal in football? We should be able to spend our money what ever way we see fit should we not? RTR!

Is water polo and fencing really popular enough to use scholarships for? Seems like they would be put to better use with the baseball team.

NCAA is still in denial about football and basketball being professional college sports.

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Bama last to #5 Florida 2-1 in a pitchers duel last night. Bama pitching only gave up 3 hits but found a way to lose in the 9th. UF got a single to open the 9th. A bad pick off throw advanced the runner to 2nd. A wild pitch moved him to third. He scored on a lazy fly ball sac fly. Florida's other run came on a solo HR in the 7th. Bama was only able to get 1 run on 5 hits against two of the Florida ace and one of the best relievers in the country.

AD Greg Byrne addressed the partial scholarships at Bama this past week with us and seemed to possibly have an idea or plan to establish whole scholarships for all athletes at Alabama. He didn't go into any detail as to how that can happen but seemed optimistic that it could.  :dunno:

That would be great!  :popcorn2:

Maybe he is going to be better than we expected. He seems to be working on ways to improve our sports programs. RTR!

Bama loses Game Two to the Gators 13-6. We need to win today to avoid the sweep.

The long year comes to an end today and not a minute too soon. Right when I thought things could not be ant worse I was wrong. We lost to Vandy 18-1 on Thursday and followed that up by losing 13-1 on Friday. If we lose today our 5 SEC wins will tie the record for fewest SEC wins since the SEC went to a 30 game season in the mid-90's. Our overall record is 19-34.

I expected more out of this team. We were 32-26 last year and a respectable 15-15 in SEC play. Most of that team came back. I am not sure if the team quit on the coach or if the coach quit on the team. We were fundamentally bad. I cannot find anything to look forward to for next year.

You have to go back to 1980 to see a record this bad. In Shollenberger's first year we were 18-28. The next year we were 41-15 and SEC Champions. Maybe there is something to look forward to.

Why would either thing happen? Is the coach a strict disciplinarian, a total jerk, incompetent or a combination of these? This whole season makes no sense to me. Worried about next year already.



 ???   :(    :tinfoil:

It is finally over. The last game of the season ends in a 3-3 tie after a rain delay in the 8th. Bama had a 3-2 lead going into the bottom of the 8th. The tying run was scored on a balk.

This team was fundamentally bad. In the 7th we had a runner reach 3rd safely and then step off the base with the 3B still holding the ball and tag him out. Head Coach Goff is the 3B coach. A balk with a runner on 3rd in a 1 run game.

When you hear fundamentals you think of defensive errors. It is much more than that. Look at the numbers below. Opponents in ().

Errors:  61  (56)
Stolen Bases allowed 56 (27)
Pass Ball 21  (11)
Catcher Interference 3  (0)
Walks  260  (201)
Wild Pitches  88  (46) This is a Alabama and conference record.

Goff took over a team returning 6 of 8 position player starters. The only big loss was a very good defensive catcher in Will Haney. Two weekend starters and a decent bull pen. Pitching was going to be the strength of the team. A good but not great recruiting class that was mostly put together by CMG. On paper we should be better this year than last. Last year we went 32-26 and 15-15 in SEC play. Not good but respectable middle of the SEC. This year we are dead last with 19 total wins and 5 SEC wins. We were 7 games short of finishing in 12th place to make the SEC Tournament.

There has been a lot of talk about Goff being relieved at the end of the year. AD Byrne said recently he supported Goff. Others are saying Byrne is looking for a proven winner and Goff will return unless he finds the right guy. 

We cannot get any worse. Next year has to be better.

Worst year I can ever remember. Our upgrade in facilities sure didn't do anything to improve the team.

If fundamentals are that bad, then that is coaching, period. With those starters returning, we should have been better. I appreciate your info on the team and providing keen insights into what's going on.


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My question is didn't this coach carry his other teams to the playoffs and such? Wasn't he something we thought was good when he came in and/or is he over his head in the SEC? RTR!

found this:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2017/5/23/15679632/editorial-an-open-letter-to-alabama-athletic-director-greg-byrne-greg-goff-has-to-go

Holy Crap!! Jamos, where are you? What the heck is going on?








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Somebody please tell me? I have ask before and I can NOT find my answer. Did this coach not have his last program in the nationals and such? What has happened to our Baseball program? I am not sure who wrote this but he is one upset Alum. RTR!

Talk about a scathing editorial. The only thing I didn't like about the writer was his anonymity. If you're gonna call somebody out, the accused deserves to know who his accuser is.

Having said that, in this case, where there's smoke, there's a dumpster fire. This is most unsettling to say the least. I'm sure more news will come of this that will shed more light on what's really going on.

He signed it at the bottom.

You're right Coach. My apologies. I didn't catch that before.

Bama's players were pathetic this year, no pitching, no hitting, terrible base running, and terrible defensive skills, did I leave anything out? I tried my best to watch those yo-yos play and I couldn't sit through a whole game. They should rename them the Bad News Bears because that is the way they played. Now whose fault is it, I say all of them, the players and the coaches. Now who do we get rid of, I say the whole whole team and the coaches. I think the players did everything possible purposely this season to get the coaches run off. If they didn't do it intentionally then they shouldn't be on scholarship because there are local high school teams that could beat them. I hope the coach pulls every scholarship and Greg Byrne fires all the coaches, they have all been a disgrace to the school. JMHO >:(

When I watched Bama play they were not fundamentally sound.  That is one of the best attributes of a great coach.  Honestly, I am not sure what the team lost from last year along with injuries, but I was not impressed.

They reminded me of the book, Mutiny On The Bounty.

Goff is a joke. He must not know the NCAA rules.

Goff tries to revoke baseball scholarships in violation of NCAA rules

https://www.tidesports.com/goff-tries-revoke-baseball-scholarships-violation-ncaa-rules/

I hereby nominate JAMOS as interim coach.   :clap:

This is heating up pretty quickly. What kind of action will Byrne take?
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Seeing he was dismissed.

Yep, he gone!

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20170524/alabama-baseball-coach-greg-goff-dismissed

Well now I got my answers. RTR!

The question is who do they hire.  Also this late, what will happen to recruiting?   it could be another long year for Bama baseball next year.

What a mess the program is in and I don't think anyone has any idea as to which direction to look for a new head coach. I wish they could get rid of some or most of the players and let the new coach get his own but per the rules, that won't happen. All of those millions of dollars spent on the stadium and what do we have now to show for what it has meant to the program.  :(

Looks like Byrne will start earning his money right off the bat. I guess we'll see if all the hype about him is true. I personally think it is and he will come through with a good hire.

In 2006 the football program was in a similar situation, and look where it is now, thanks to our AD Mal Moore. I think Byrne will come through as well.

One quick fix is the Jr. college route to bring in players.

No matter where you go for players you gotta have coaches to teach them. RTR!

These same players were a respectable 15-15 in SEC play last year. They like and respected CMG. Goff was a jerk from day one. He did not allow long hair, facial hair or alcohol. He talked down to them. He told them their scholarships were riding on their on the field performance. The players hated him. He lost the team so early I am not sure if the team quit on him or if he quit on the team. I am not blaming this year on the players.

Byrne knew replacing Goff at the end of the year was a possibility so he has been looking around.