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But guess what? He's not just another dude. He's not even just another famous dude. He's the star quarterback of the No. 1-ranked, defending national champions, who also happens to be the defending Heisman Trophy winner, and he is under Title IX investigation at Florida State right now for his sexual encounter with a then-FSU coed in December 2012 – the one that didn't result in criminal charges but could still result in penalties on campus.

Given all that – a man under investigation in an alleged sexual assault, who is auditioning daily for a potential nine-figure career in the suddenly very image-conscious National Football League – maybe this isn't the thing you want to be shouting from a table top on campus. Here in the real world, where football players are under more scrutiny than ever for how they comport themselves and how they interact with women, this is industrial-strength stupid.

Fact is, Winston doesn't seem to have learned much about life in a fishbowl. Signs of maturity are stunningly slow to appear with him.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/jameis-winston-s-latest-blunder-shows-tone-deaf-qb-still-needs-to-grow-up-020131876-ncaaf.html

Looks likr they have removed the video. Probably a good thing.

Classy.   :eyeroll:

I was hesitant to even post on this subject. You actually have to go to deadspin to see what he actually said.How much more can Florida State tolerate from this player?

I'm guessing a lot.  He got a Heisman and a NC. He skrong.  :eyeroll:

:lol:

At least this one wasn't illegal.  Richard Pryor made big bucks using similar language.  Maybe he can be a comedian if this sports thing doesn't work out.  Maybe next Jameis will tell Pat Forde to just have a coke and a smile and shut the #$@ up.

one of the responses on deadspin:
People knew it was Winston when they noticed that nearby FSU campus police were looking the other way.
The crab legs in his back pocket were a dead giveaway.

@ SC and 57

 :lol:  :lol:

The timing of this video surfacing and the (limited) press coverage is interesting, i.e. with the Peterson and Rice stories in the NFL.  JW isn't in any legal trouble but significant press coverage could put pressure on Jimbo and the FSU admin to do something other than 'investigate."

florida stste just suspended him for the 1st half against Clemson
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11542412/florida-state-seminoles-considering-punishment-jameis-winston-shouts-obscene-phrase-public

Let's clarify something about this story.
Jameis Winston has screwed up recently by shoplifting crab legs from a grocery store.  He's a thief!

But the issue of him yelling, "[Expletive] her right in the [expletive]!", is salient because Jameis is being investigated for sexual assault.  That charge was swept under the rug at FSU, and Jameis was hardly even questioned about it.  Word is, the investigation has been re-opened.  See the story: "Florida State University Finally Launches Investigation Into Jameis Winston Rape Report."  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/04/florida-state-winston-rape_n_5769652.html

Jimbo Fisher did not ignore it.  He is pissed about this latest Jameis story: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/os-jameis-winston-fsu-jimbo-fisher-lewd-sexual-comment-20140917,0,3015476.story

Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston has been suspended for the first half of Saturday's game against Clemson after he was seen shouting an obscene sexual phrase on campus Tuesday.

"It was not a good decision," coach Jimbo Fisher said of the incident during Wednesday's ACC teleconference. "You can't make certain statements that are derogatory or inflammatory to any person, race or gender. You have to understand that. You have to be very intelligent about what you say, (because) it matters."

The No. 1 Seminoles face No. 22 Clemson on Saturday.

"We're deciding. We're talking and things [are] going on right now," Fisher said of Winston's status before the punishment was announced. "It's not something that we want or are indicative of. And it's not a good decision. It was something that had to be addressed."

On Tuesday, Florida State students began flooding Twitter as several witnessed the reigning Heisman Trophy winner allegedly stand on a table in or in the immediate vicinity of the student union and yell obscenities, mimicking a popular Internet video. The phrase is of a sexual nature.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11542412/florida-state-seminoles-considering-punishment-jameis-winston-shouts-obscene-phrase-public
I don't care who he is or thinks he is, if he talked like that in the presence of my loved ones I would have to address the issue THEN!

JW suspended for first half of Clemson game!  :o

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11542412/florida-state-seminoles-qb-jameis-winston-suspended-first-half-game-clemson-tigers-shouting-obscene-phrase-public

is there echoes in here today? :lol:

You're 5 minutes late.

Quick, change your pick!

I hope some of the fine southern citizens of HUEYTOWN call in to PF today and voice their viewpoints!

I'm seriously considering it. Doh!, I'm so conflicted!  :tinfoil: I don't ever go back and change my picks.  :unsure:

I changed my pick yesterday when I saw all the money going on Clemson :D

Anybody still want to trade Coker for Jameis? 

 :lol2: :lol2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnaVoTfkqa8

Ask Breddy for advice!

:lol:

(http://data2.whicdn.com/images/8066057/thumb.jpg)

My apologies, 57. I didn't see your post earlier.

Maybe disgusting news about a despicable individual needs repeating!

I will not read the lewd language but this boy is thinking the world owes him. I do not feel like I owe anything but if he wants to be bad why ain't he over fighting against ISIS? Maybe he is chicken and very disturbed like a lot them boys are. They play football because they can't read, write nor God Forbid they had to do arithmetic. This makes my tummy boil because they have a free ride to a college education that a bunch of hard time students would be proud to have a chance at. Well my soap box just fell in so I will quit. If FSU supports junk like this and says it is ok then they ought to be banned from college football. No wonder CNS didn't want him. We a brilliant coach. RTR!

Good post Ricky! CNS would not allow him to tarnish our image at ALABAMA! RTR!

Thank you my good sir bama57. I know I got a little carried away and if i said anything to offend I ask forgiveness. I just can't understand it 57, why these guys are so fortune. I believe some of the players go other conferences like Winston because he don't want the competition in the SEC. RTR!

Suspension for a half is probably the minimum FSU could do without getting roasted in the press. (And they still might get some bad press from women's groups.)  If they really wanted to send a message to JW they would have suspended him for the game and told him he could not dress out.  If FSU is trailing Clemson at halftime, this just sets up JW to come into the game and be the hero.  To me, that's the opposite of discipline, i.e. JW and his teammates can feel like he "got away with it."  Just MHO.

Really wonder how this is playing in the FSU locker room.

The locker room maybe fed up with his disgusting attitude! All that has to happen is for 3 or 4 on the offensive line to slack off when he comes into the game to send Florida State a clear message!

So, let me make sure I got this right.

1)  He rapes a girl.  It is swept under the rug.  No punishment from the legal system or the football team.
2)  He steals from a grocery store.  Still no suspension from football.
3)  He drops the f-bomb as part of a "joke".  BLOOM!!!!  That is unacceptable behaviour young man!  You have to sit out a half against Clemson.

???

What he did was stupid.  What he said was vulgar.  But to punish him for that?  Insane.  This country is so upside down that saying a couple of bad words, which is protected free speech by the constitution, will get you in more trouble than committing actual crimes.

This type of language happens every day at practices all over the country.

By the way, for those who don't know, he was mimicking/quoting a joke that is going around the internet.

SC, I don't think this occurred at practice but "jumped up on a table at the union" in front of students

Regardless , would you want or condone him doing that in front of your wife, daughter, or grand daughter? He is as a Heisman winner and  candidate supposed to lead by example!

Right.  It was in front of other students.  He was trying to be funny.  And I am sure a whole bunch of them laughed hysterically.

I just don't think the guy should be suspended for telling a vulgar joke.  If that is the standard, I'm sure we will need to suspend a good number of our own players.

where is his integrity?
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
"he is known to be a man of integrity"
synonyms:   honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
https://www.google.com/search?q=integrity&oq=integrity&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
The Heisman Memorial Trophy Award (usually known colloquially as the Heisman Trophy or the Heisman), is awarded annually to the most outstanding player in college football in the United States whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_Trophy

No I definitely would not.  But these are college kids.  They will hear and see a lot worse than that while they are on campus, especially in 2014.  While I don't condone his behaviour, this is trivial compared to some of the other things he has done.

The only reason he is being punished for this one is to satisfy Pat Forde and his ilk.  That's not justice, and it sends the wrong message to all college kids.  Justice has to be blind, and the punishment has to befit the crime.  This suspension is especially egregious considering the lack of punishment he received for his past transgressions.  The message this sends is that public perception is more important than actual justice.

He should have been thrown under the jail for the rape, but instead he wins the Heisman and plays for a national championship.  Now he acts out a "dirty joke" he saw on the internet and that gets him suspended.

Winston, the Heisman Trophy winner last season, met with the media at midday Wednesday.

"First of all I just want to apologize to the university, to my coaches and to my teammates," he said. "I'm not a me person, but in that situation, that was a selfish act and that's not how you do things around here, so I really just want to apologize to my teammates because I've now made a selfish act for them and that's all.
"You've got to overcome adversity and that's one thing at Florida State we do ... and when I do get my opportunity to play I'm going to do anything I can. That's going to eat me up. I want to be out there on the field, but I did something so I have to accept my consequences and I'm going to apologize to my team. We're not going to think about negative things, we're going to think about moving forward and winning the game.

"I messed up and I have to accept the fact I did that. It eats me alive I did something like that. I can't carry myself that way and me and Sean, we're going to watch film and I'm going to try my best to put our team in a good chance to win this game."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2014/09/17/jameis-winston-jimbo-fisher-vulgarity-obscenity-response/15768879/

He should have never won the Heisman, but Cam shouldn't have either.  They just need to go ahead and strike the word integrity from the criteria.

For me it started with the squirrels. I like fried squirrels or squirrels and dumplings as much as anyone.  But for him to be shooting other peoples pets that they were feeding just got me.
            And then the rape., and him avoiding talking to the authorities like he had something to hide.
            And then stealing the crab legs and now this.
           It is a combination of all of the above!

I don't like the guy either.  He should have been punished a long time ago.  I guess my biggest gripe about this is that nothing happened at all for any of those past issues.  But now that football is getting all of the bad press with the stuff going on in the NFL, suddenly Jameis gets suspended for saying something stupid.  This is a lot like the NFL suspending the player for 2 games, then the video comes out and they throw him under the bus.  FSU is throwing him under the bus for this in order to try and avert a PR disaster.

Exactly.
In response to SC's take on this ('punishment of JM for his words'), I think this is the culmination of his actions, including the rape, theft, and now vulgarity.  That's why he's sitting the first half.

I'm not satisfied until the rape issue is finalized (investigation complete and whatever actions taken).

Maybe the rape victim should have started a twitter campaign.  #ArrestJameis  :dunno:

IMHO, suspension for a half does not = throwing JW under the bus.  This is minor and like I said earlier potentially puts him in a position to come in at the half and be a hero, i.e. if FSU is behind at the half or if the score is close.

I thought they would at least suspend him until further notice, and let think about it.

Your right.  It doesn't equate to throwing him under the bus.

I just don't get why everyone thinks he should be suspended for this.  He has done plenty of things to get suspended for, but standing on a table in the student union building and acting out an internet joke?  Did ESPN suspend Corso when he dropped the F-bomb on live TV?  No.  Did we suspend Coach Cochran when he said UGA was wearing black because they are going to their own f@#$ing funeral?  No.  If you are good at reading lips, you will see most college coaches using this type of language on TV every weekend.  In fact, Coach Saban has been scolded by his own daughter for such language.

You can't expect Jameis, or any other college kid, to develop a respect for justice when it is so obviously handed out selectively to fit in with when it is convenient.  I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with a half game suspension for this if the prior incidents had been handled correctly.  And on the other hand, if FSU had let this one slide too, then everyone, including me, would be on their case for not doing anything AGAIN.

I guess my main point is you can't punish a guy for running his mouth if you aren't going to punish him for rape, stealing, and all the other things he has done at FSU.  FSU painted themselves into a corner when they chose to let everything else slide.  They were trusting that he would behave himself the rest of the way, and in time, everyone would forget about it.  Big mistake on their part.  He has done pretty much the opposite.  Which is exactly why you can't let a kid think they can get away unpunished.  In his mind, I'm sure he thinks he is untouchable.  So I guess it is good that they finally do something to bring him back down to earth.

But what they should do is suspend him indefinitely until the rape investigation has concluded, and not worry about what he says when he is running his mouth in the student union building.

By the way, keep a close eye on Muschamp this Saturday.  :lol:

I think the Title IX issue that the University is investigating might have more bite to it than the legal investigation by the police department as far as his eligibility to play sports at FSU. Somehow I get the opinion this suspension is no more than a smoke screen for that investigation. :dunno:

BINGO!!  College kids are known for doing stupid things and acting like 15 year olds. I agree with your assessment of the whole situation. Serious allegations of rape get swept under the rug, stealing from a store is no big thing, but NOW they want to do something? It's a joke, not discipline.

:punk:
	:makemyday:
:popcorn2:

By request, I just added a poll to this topic.

Thanks SC! I am interested in how everyone else feels about this!

I already had a ham sammich for lunch today, so I guess I will have to pick something else.  :dunno:

somebody running a special on ham sammich?

:lol:  I still haven't decided.

We've heard his apologies too many times before. His words once again ring hollow. After Winston was cited for shoplifting crab legs and crawfish from a Publix grocery store in April, he said in a statement: "I realize that I am in the public spotlight and my conduct needs to be above reproach. ... I must realize that my mistakes are magnified and can bring great embarrassment to all those who support me every day."

Oops, he did it again.

Give Florida State a sliver of credit -- at least FSU administrators did something about his behavior this time. When Winston was accused of sexually assaulting a FSU female student in December 2012, FSU officials and the Tallahassee Police Department did little to investigate the credibility of the allegations. The incident wasn't brought to public light until nearly a year later, and only then was the case referred to the state attorney's office.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11543633/after-latest-incident-how-many-strikes-jameis-winston-florida-state-seminoles-get

Ham sammich, however, what he's done collectively should be enough to kick him off the team.

Haven't read all the posts today, been in trial in Tullahoma, TN.  But I think the punishment wasn't just for the profanity, but for being a public figure in the spotlight who has brought a Title IX violation investigation down on the University (for allegedly sweeping under the rug a rape charge) and then he utters this, of all things.  It doesn't help their Title IX position.

I remember when JW first appeared in the spotlight last year, and all the media folks were fawning over him (similar to Oscar Pistorius at the Olympics), talking about his "great personality" etc.  And they were showing clips of him supposedly encouraging his teammates, only it appeared contrived, and his teammates seemed to be ignoring him.   He appeared to be babbling to himself, or the camera.  Really, he reminded me more of some of the characters I've met at mental institutions than a true leader. 

The media profits when it does this, first when the character has success, then when he falls and his true self is revealed.  I wonder sometimes if they pick these types of characters on purpose.

:lol:  I love that photo.


You have to wonder whether, despite the advantage, Clemson still will find a way to blow it.

They will blow it. Coach Dabo needs to spank them Tigers and get them really mad. RTR!

Florida State continues enabling of Jameis Winston with half-baked punishment
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/florida-state-continues-enabling-of-jameis-winston-with-half-baked-punishment-202450654-ncaaf.html

I agree that 1/2 suspensions are a joke.  Auburn did the same thing v. Arky. 

Well we all know from the days of Free Shoes University by order of Spurrier, there has never been punishment at Florida State. RTR!

 :-\

Jimbo needs to have a meeting with his senior leaders and order a "Code Red".

Does the ham sammich come with fries or chips & tea or coke? Just wondering.



 ???

A piece of humble pie and a stop sign! :D

 :lol: I eat plenty of that and crow. "A great pair" 2 says!

Me Too! :lol:

I do think JW needs the humble pie and stop sign!

Somebody needs to beat his a$$ with the stop sign.

This story has gotten into the national press, i.e. ESPN and YAHOO!  Love or hate the press, they can give 'legs' to a story.  This is making FSUniversity look bad and the admin there can't be happy about that.  I wonder how this is reverberating with FSU alums?

GM said his Mom was a Florida State alumni and she was VERY upset about it!

alumna

 :unsure:

:-[

Always safer just to say "alum".

Woman = alumna
Women = alumnae
Man = alumnus
Men or combination = alumni

HTH

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher dismissed any criticism that Jameis Winston's half-game suspension for a profane and sexually charged outburst was too light.

"We're in charge. It's our team. That's our thought. We went with the consequences and we're ready to move on," Fisher said Thursday.


With Jameis Winston out for the first half against Clemson, Florida State turns to redshirt sophomore Sean Maguire to captain a young offense that hasn't looked unstoppable this season, David Hale writes. Story

Jameis Winston' first-half suspension doesn't mean an automatic win for Clemson, but the Tigers have to take advantage of the opportunity to gain valuable momentum, Andrea Adelson writes. Story


Florida State interim president Garnett S. Stokes and athletic director Stan Wilcox suspended the No. 1 Seminoles' star quarterback for the first half of Saturday's game against No. 22 Clemson in a joint statement Wednesday. They denounced Winston's behavior, calling it "offensive and vulgar."

Fisher's name was not on the statement, which raised eyebrows and questions as to whether this was a decision that came down from the administration rather than Fisher.

"They're always involved in university policies," Fisher said. "That's things at Florida State, the way we do it."

Fisher was asked a follow-up question about whether he usually is the one to mete out punishment, but he did not respond.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11549754/florida-state-seminoles-jimbo-fisher-dismisses-criticism-jameis-winston-punishment

Thanks, 57.


Doesn't sound like Jimbo knew 'that's the way we do it'.   :lol2:

I wonder if say at halftime Florida State is up by say 8 points. Does Jimbo put  JW in or leave the backup in?

Sophomore Sean Maguire is set to start for the Seminoles against Clemson. What if Maguire has the FSU offense moving in the first half? Is there a possibility Winston could remain on the bench in the second half?

“That’s a decision. It really is,” Fisher said. “Jameis is still your guy, but we’ll have to see the flow of the game and what does on. I’ve thought of that, hypothetically, a bunch of times. I really have. It’s got to be a feel, a game-time decision, what’s going on. I will have that discussion with those guys before the game, because I think it’s unfair to both of them to surprise them. That’s one thing, as a coach, you have to do, because that’s when relationships become broken. I’ll tell you this: If we’re winning big, and Jameis thought that was the best way for us to win the game, as much as he’d want to play, he wouldn’t have one problem with it. I truly believe that.”
http://coachingsearch.247sports.com/Article/Jimbo-talks-Jameis-Winston-You-cant-do-what-normal-people-do-31276243

After hearing that the administration suspended Jameis, not Jimbo, I'm guessing JW sits the 2nd half if they're ahead.

 :unsure:

she nails it in this video
ESPN's Samantha Ponder understands that the spotlight is on Jameis Winston. But she doesn't believe it should be this difficult for the Florida State quarterback to do the right thing and stay out of trouble.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/20/sam-ponder-jameis-winston-gameday_n_5854788.html?utm_hp_ref=sports

Jameis Winston Continues To Do What He Wants, Warms Up In Pads After Being Suspended
Had to be told to go to locker room and change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/20/jameis-winston-warm-ups-suspended_n_5855764.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Jameis Winston, who has been suspended for Florida State's game against Clemson, showed up before the game in full pads and started to warm up with his teammates before being sent back to the locker room by head coach Jimbo Fisher.

Winston was originally suspended from just the first half of the game for yelling a profanity-laced statement in front of fellow students on campus. That suspension was later increased to the full game when the school reportedly learned that Winston lied about the full nature of what had happened.

Despite the suspension, Winston appeared to be going through all of his normal pre-game routine, dressed in full pads.
http://www.businessinsider.com/jimbo-fisher-jameis-winston-pads-game-2014-9

"WINSTON FOR HEISMAN #2"   :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

 :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll:

FSU's Jimbo Fisher Sheds Light on Jameis Winston Suspension
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/fsus-jimbo-fisher-sheds-light-053738133.html