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What the heck with the Tallahassee police????  A year later and no charges filed, or no closure to the case?  Something seems odd here.

I hope this is not true. Jameis seems like a good kid.

Bingo! No way this should take so long for this type of alleged crime. It has a stench attached to it.


 ???

I thought he was in high school in December last year. Did this happen on a recruiting trip?

I pretty sure he's a red shirt freshman.

Sclabach just said on ESPN that the accuser described her attacker as being between 5' 9" and 6 ft. Winston is 6' 4". They case was originally closed in March. Not sure why it's being re-opened now.

Maybe he got taller!  [joke]

Look, the lawyers are spinning this.  The height thing is bogus. 
See the line: "The incident report also indicated that evidence was collected from the complainant's body..."

Likely they have a DNA match now.

 :popcorn2:

Maybe he got taller!  [joke]

Look, the lawyers are spinning this.  The height thing is bogus. 
See the line: "The incident report also indicated that evidence was collected from the complainant's body..."

Likely they have a DNA match now.

 :popcorn2:

Maybe he got taller!  [joke]

Look, the lawyers are spinning this.  The height thing is bogus. 
See the line: "The incident report also indicated that evidence was collected from the complainant's body..."

Likely they have a DNA match now.

 :popcorn2:

I guess if she is laying on her back looking up it might be pretty hard to tell the difference between 6' 4" and 5' 9". :dunno:

Chech, we might have to go get another truck load of popcorn because I think this show is going to get mighty interesting in the very near future. We can get 2 to bring the beer. :toast2:

Unnamed sources, which TMZ states were law enforcement and others, gave a few of the details of the alleged victims allegations:

    She claims the alleged sexual assault was committed with the use of “physical force.”

    According to the police report, the motive for the alleged crime was “sexual gratification.”  The alleged victim says drinking was involved before the incident.

    The police report says on the day in question, someone called the cops at 4:01 AM.  When police arrived, we’re told there were photos taken of the alleged victim’s injuries as well as physical evidence collected....

Famous Jameis --> Infamous Jameis?

Famous Jameis -> Shame-us Jameis?

Famous Jameis --> Blameless Jameis?  :dunno:

According to the barn board this is old news and has surfaced this week because of the REC. The REC wants Winston out for two reasons:

1. With Winston out AJ has a better chance to win the Heisman.
2. We are scared of FSU and don't want to play them in the Championship Game.

Only delusional barn fans can come up with this nonsense. 

According to the barn board this is old news and has surfaced this week because of the REC. The REC wants Winston out for two reasons:

1. With Winston out AJ has a better chance to win the Heisman.
2. We are scared of FSU and don't want to play them in the Championship Game.

Only delusional barn fans can come up with this nonsense. 

Of course it is nonsense. Everyone knows the REC only goes after the barn.  :eyeroll:

There's evidence Tallahassee cops tried to sweep the sexual assault investigation targeting Florida State University QB Jameis Winston under the rug to protect the team and its star player ... and ONLY took aggressive steps after TMZ Sports started asking questions.

Sources in the State Attorney's Office tell us they never even knew about the investigation until Tuesday ... JUST ONE DAY AFTER TMZ Sports began making calls to cops about the alleged assault.

Our sources in the State Attorney's Office say ... it was highly unusual cops wouldn't have filled them in about the case until this week.  The sources say cops would have typically notified them when the investigation was completed, and Winston's lawyer reportedly says cops told him it was completed in February.

Of course it is nonsense. Everyone knows the REC only goes after the barn.  :eyeroll:

The only school that I know of that is afraid to play FSU is Auburn, they refused to play them, dropped the game, because they didn't want to get embarrassed by such a bad defeat. This was Wingnut's first year there.

YIKES


http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/14/jameis-winston-sexual-assault-investigation-florida-state-university-cover-up/

as Chech and I discussed , I'm a closet FSU fan
so I watched the first game this year against Pitt to see JW play
just to see if he would match up to the hype I'd heard ...
he did and then some ... he was awesome , this is his first game ?
my big ole azz , I thought ... the guy was on fire like a 5th year senior !

they knew back in 2012 and how good he was and his value to the team
no, maybe he wasn't "a star" when this happened
but they knew what they had , you can believe that ...

my first thought when I saw the news ?
COVER UP !!!!

sports can make things different when the law is concerned
that has been proven many many times , No ? 

if he did this I hope they give him the book , if not ?
I feel sorry for him ... time will tell but it don't look good

So, you have come out of the closet?


 :o

as Chech and I discussed , I'm a closet FSU fan
so I watched the first game this year against Pitt to see JW play
just to see if he would match up to the hype I'd heard ...
he did and then some ... he was awesome , this is his first game ?
my big ole azz , I thought ... the guy was on fire like a 5th year senior !

they knew back in 2012 and how good he was and his value to the team
no, maybe he wasn't "a star" when this happened
but they knew what they had , you can believe that ...

my first thought when I saw the news ?
COVER UP !!!!

sports can make things different when the law is concerned
that has been proven many many times , No ? 

if he did this I hope they give him the book , if not ?
I feel sorry for him ... time will tell but it don't look good

William Meggs, state attorney for the 2nd Judicial Circuit in Tallahassee, said his office has interviewed several witnesses over the past two days, after Tallahassee police referred the case to his office on Wednesday.

"We are making interesting progress," Meggs said. "I think we can get to a point where we came make a decision by next week or the week after."

The timing of Meggs' decision is important because if authorities charge Winston with a felony crime, he would be immediately suspended and ineligible for competition under the FSU athletics department's policies.

I think there are two charges in this case, sexual assault and the attempt of the TPD to cover up the case. If the TPD issue is investigated then it will be interesting as to who at FSU was responsible for that and how much evidence may have been destroyed back then and possibly now.

You can bet that it will be a stretch that anything will come out of this as is most cases involving athletes and crime. ;)

I think there are two charges in this case, sexual assault and the attempt of the TPD to cover up the case. If the TPD issue is investigated then it will be interesting as to who at FSU was responsible for that and how much evidence may have been destroyed back then and possibly now.

You can bet that it will be a stretch that anything will come out of this as is most cases involving athletes and crime. ;)

Exactly, J.  Here:

1. If the DNA didn't match JW, his lawyer would have said it;
2. If it does match, and FSU covered it, coaches and/or administrators will be canned.  Several people said, "Why would FSU cover it; JW wasn't even a starter last December."  Because they knew he'd simply transfer if arrested and dismissed from the team or punished by being benched.
3. If the DNA matches, JW is DONE at FSU.  
4. His Heisman run is already over, unless (by some miracle) he is cleared of all charges and the woman announces that she was entirely wrong (case of misidentification).  The DNA IS THE KEY!  Even if JW is 'not found guilty', his Heisman chances are over (UNLESS HE IS CLEARED).  Being a freshman is already a strike against him (reference JFF).
5. By mid-December we'll know.  We may face FSU without him (and their backup is gone).

I question the character of Winston after reading where students at Hueytown High School stated that he had his way there and school officials turned their heads when he was involved in anything.

I also question why Bama did not put a big push on his recruitment. I know he wanted to play baseball as well as football and some said that was the reason for not pushing his recruitment at Bama but I now wonder if his character in high school may not have been the big problem. Kirby Smart has stated many times that the character of a recruit weighs very heavy in how bad Bama wants him. I know there have been some players that Bama has signed in  the past that had some bad issues when they were in high school but this Winston recruitment has always puzzled me.

If there is a DNA match, then Winston is just plain stupid for denying it. And I'm guessing he is denying it since he's come up with an apparent alibi. The alibi won't hold up if the DNA matches.

In my old law enforcement experience, I have seen girls accuse boys of rape when what really happened was, it was consensual sex, and the girl either felt guilty afterward, or parents/boyfriend found out and they cried rape. Not saying that is what happened here, but if it was, and JW did, he would have been much better off manning up and telling the truth....if he had done that from the beginning. If he changes his mind after the DNA discovery (if his) and then says it was consensual, he will be perceived as a liar and is toast, for sure.

 :popcorn2:

It sounds like the attorney general just learned about the case this week, nearly a year later. There is no way to explain that delay on the basis of the length of the investigation. This sounds like something that someone tried to keep a lid on, but something has changed. Maybe the victim threatened to go to the press, or there is another allegation looming. It's either an attempt to cover up gone wrong or someone trying to exploit JM's fame with a false accusation.

The most confusing thing for me is that the police NEVER interviewed Winston. This tells me one of three things:

1) the police dropped the ball due to incompetence

2) police covering up for FSU player

3) they doubt the woman's story
 

According a story by Schlabach on ESPN, FSU AD policy states that if an athlete is charged with a felony crime they are suspended from play pending the resolution of the court case. With their back-up QB out, that turn of events would spell the end of FSU's NC hope. Given the growing perception that the Tallahassee police tried to shield Winston, there will be enormous pressure on the state's AG to charge him in order to counter the perception that star athletes are above the law. This is not looking food for the Seminole fans.

I should also say that this isn't looking good for us. With FSU at full strength we had the possibility of winning a non-astrixed NC. Best against the best, with no excuses. If Winston is out, or another team like OSU sneaks in because FSU falters without Winston, all we'll hear is that we couldn't have beaten FSU at full strength.

I'm curious as to why all this leaked out all of a sudden. Who has the most to gain from this if Winston is declared inelgible, I can promise you it isn't Bama. TMZ is notorious for looking in the bottom of the garbage can but who put them up to it this time, who has the most to gain?

I'm curious as to why all this leaked out all of a sudden. Who has the most to gain from this if Winston is declared inelgible, I can promise you it isn't Bama. TMZ is notorious for looking in the bottom of the garbage can but who put them up to it this time, who has the most to gain?

FWIW.... just found this on the Tallahassee Democrat website...

http://blogs.tallahassee.com/the-story-behind-our-jameis-winston-story/


Paper is taking some heat for even reporting the story.  Hope the link works.

Sources told us the investigation went inactive because the woman involved had not wanted to move forward, but in the last day or so that had changed. Why? We don’t know.   

Either someone connected to the athletic department leaked this or someone in the police department. It's the only two possibilities. Maybe someone felt this case was being covered up and did not want it to just go away without a thorough review.

Either someone connected to the athletic department leaked this or someone in the police department. It's the only two possibilities. Maybe someone felt this case was being covered up and did not want it to just go away without a thorough review.


 :dog:

...
My theory is the girl, girl's family or girl's attorney leaked the story. If she feels she was raped how could you continue to stay quite for 11 months. 

My theory is the girl, girl's family or girl's attorney leaked the story. If she feels she was raped how could you continue to stay quite for 11 months. 

People, especially men, have trouble with this concept. Rape is a very personal, disgusting, & embarrassing. You don't want your name and face splattered around the papers & tv. If you were raped, would you be eager to report it?

Look, guys.  Either read the story about it or stop posting.
THE VICTIM REPORTED THE RAPE AT 4am THE SAME NIGHT IT OCCURRED.

 >:( >:( >:(

Look, guys.  Either read the story about it or stop posting.
THE VICTIM REPORTED THE RAPE AT 4am THE SAME NIGHT IT OCCURRED.

 >:( >:( >:(

I apologize.

pmull: Is there any evidence that the victim leaked the story to TMZ?
MD: Any evidence of her not wanting to go forward with the case and/or not pushing the issue?

Game face.  Grrr.

No hard evidence she leaked the story to TMZ that I am aware of. That is why I said it was my theory. I just taking a WAG. Something caused this story to surface. 

Fourth_Liner (Pledge)
November 14, 2013 at 9:04 pm

anyone else consider a Nick Saban conspiracy………..Manti, now Jameis

I apologize.

pmull: Is there any evidence that the victim leaked the story to TMZ?
MD: Any evidence of her not wanting to go forward with the case and/or not pushing the issue?

Game face.  Grrr.

Chech, I'm just messing with you. Sex crimes gets us all fired up.




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Here's the deal, CP, you asked how the DNA can be attained from JW, if he is not willing to provide it. DNA is like garbage put on the street. It is fair game for anyone when it leaves your property. If he spits, anyone can gather his spit to extract DNA, or gum he was chewing. Once the findings become public, then all doubt will be removed.

I worked on a civil suit years ago where we paid an investigator to pick up someone's garbage and sort through it.  DNA would seem more involved than picking up garbage, in terms of identification, chain of custody, etc.  But I hear what you are saying.

I still don't think they have a DNA match at this time.

After the woman — a Florida State student from the Tampa Bay area — identified Winston as the suspect in early January, "the family grew concerned that she would be targeted on campus" and requested assistance from an attorney friend, according to the statement.

"When the attorney contacted Detective (Scott) Angulo immediately after Winston was identified, Detective Angulo told the attorney that Tallahassee was a big football town and the victim needs to think long and hard before proceeding against him because she will be raked over the coals and her life will be made miserable," the family said.

The family also said that Angulo refused to collect Winston's DNA or interview his roommate, a possible witness in the case, because doing so would alert Winston and allow the case to go public.

A public record request by the Times revealed no search warrants executed under Winston's name. And there are no public search warrants related to sex crimes that match the address of the building Winston reportedly lives in. In addition, the public record request did not reveal that any search warrants have been executed in relation to the case since Nov. 11. There is no way to know if there are search warrants that have been carried out but are confidential at this time.

A DNA analysis completed by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Tuesday confirmed that DNA provided by Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston matched the sample taken from the underwear of a woman who has accused him of sexual battery. 

The DNA match alone does not prove that Winston, a leading Heisman Trophy candidate, sexually assaulted the woman....

Meggs told ESPN.com on Wednesday that he probably will not take the case before a grand jury, saying his office would ultimately decide whether it believes it has sufficient evidence to charge Winston with a crime.

"I'm not stupid," Meggs said. "It is a young man whose life is in a fish bowl right now. I think about that. There's also a young girl whose life has been turned upside down and her life will never be the same, either. We look at it and say, 'Which one of those is most important?' Both. It is a search for the truth and the truth is kind of elusive sometimes." 

Sadly for the girls, the next move after the DNA match is to portray the victim as a drunken whore who instigated the whole thing and is now trying to profit off of Winston's fame. Count on it.

Dang, CP. That story is only 4 minutes old. You are on it like a bonnet.

Except she raised the accusation before she identified the accused, and before he was famous.  But yeah, alcohol was involved.

The seminal nation is already pushing this version of things. 46 posts and counting lionizing Winston for "banging a broad" who is now trying to "cash in". Any poster critical of Winston or predicting that this will end badly is getting beaten on like a rented mule.

wonder where page 3 of the police report is  :dunno: http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3565805/HTE_12-32758.pdf
not that it matters  :unsure: :lol2:

A DNA analysis completed by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Tuesday confirmed that DNA provided by Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston matched the sample taken from the underwear of the woman who has accused him of sexual battery....

Folks, all of this chatter about 'he said - she said' is moot.

Next step: JW will be interviewed by police;
Then: Charges will be filed;

With that, FSU will be obliged to suspend JW.  It's what Florida universities do.  They will turn their backs and let the courts handle it (which will take months).  This ain't LSU!

I'm not sure.  This whole case is rotten.  Due to the high profile nature of the case I have a hard time believing charges will be filed unless there is rock solid evidence that it was a sexual assault, which I think in this case would require at least one credible witness who can testify that it was not consensual. 

Still to early to tell what's going to happen.

I do think Winston will have a hard time winning the Heisman now as he's just a freshman and there are so many questions.  I'd have a hard time voting for him.

A couple of questions for you guys to comment on...

[1] In a high profile case like this, what will be State's Att'ys threshold for deciding to file charges? i.e. wouldn't he need evidence to be strong and have a good probability of winning a conviction ?     

[2] Do you think Leon County SA will make the decision or will it go up to the FL AG?

Just hard for me to believe charges will be filed without a very, very strong case.

I'm very interested in seeing charges filed against all that are involved in trying to cover up this case, there are some that should lose their jobs. I'm hoping that everything that has happened in this case is opened up and made public, if the young lady is willing to do this then the TPD and FSU should be as well.

Athletes have had the luxury of skating free of crimes in the past because of their popularity in the sports world, when will this ever improve. :dunno:

A couple of questions for you guys to comment on...

[1] In a high profile case like this, what will be State's Att'ys threshold for deciding to file charges? i.e. wouldn't he need evidence to be strong and have a good probability of winning a conviction ?     

[2] Do you think Leon County SA will make the decision or will it go up to the FL AG?

Just hard for me to believe charges will be filed without a very, very strong case.

If state's attorney Megg's wanted to wash his hands of this he could have called a grand jury to decide on an indictment. This would almost certainly have resulted in no charges, as everyone in tallahassee wants FSU to win the NC. The fact that he elected not to do this to me signals his determination to make an arrest.

Folks, all of this chatter about 'he said - she said' is moot.

Next step: JW will be interviewed by police;
Then: Charges will be filed;

With that, FSU will be obliged to suspend JW.  It's what Florida universities do.  They will turn their backs and let the courts handle it (which will take months).  This ain't LSU!

How long will it take FSU to suspend him?

Same day.  Florida state regulations stipulate an automatic suspension for a player charged with a felony.

If she does not withdraw the charges, they have no choice but to arrest him. Then, it is on the DA to make the case. He can let a grand jury decide. This could end up being a criminal case and a civil case if she wants to pursue it.

At any rate, this does not look good for Winston. For that matter it doesn't look good for the TPD or anyone else that was involved in what could have been a possible cover-up.

Don't be shocked if the charges are suddenly dropped if he is arrested. I will bet money some big time FSU boosters are talking about offering her a cash settlement to go away. Something like $300,000 area. Then FSU can act like nothing happened and talk about how we need to move forward. This whole thing is going to get sleazier, you watch. "Fans" are capable is anything.



 :(

The link below contains the unedited "Family Statement".

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2013/PDFs/winston.pdf

Tim Jansen, a Tallahassee attorney representing Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston in a sexual-assault complaint against him, said in a news conference Thursday morning that sex between his client and the complainant was consensual.

When asked whether the sex was consensual, Jansen replied, "absolutely."

Jansen added that he anticipated his client's DNA would match the DNA found on the complainant./quote]


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/11/21/jameis-winston-florida-state-sexual-battery-investigation/3662241/

I posted before that if the DNA matched, he is toast. Instead of him coming out and arguing that it was consensual sex, whether it was or not, he came out with an alibi, according to one report that I saw. It is now too late for the consensual sex argument.

In light of these circumstances, you can now rest assure that there was nothing consensual about it.

Looks like we'll be playing them with whoever their 3rd string, read option QB is.

They will have to get past Duke first.  :lol:



It may be tOSU.  :popcorn2:

The link below contains the unedited "Family Statement".

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2013/PDFs/winston.pdf

That doesn't make sense.  She reported the rape because she was mad at him, but then deliberately lied about the height, weight, etc., along with the fact that she knew who it was and was in a relationship with him.  Why would she report it and cover it up at the SAME time in the same report?  I also agree with the point 2 and others made about denying it ever happened, and then switching the story to consensual AFTER they find out about the DNA evidence.

Wishful thinking on their part.

The claim, which is plausible, is that she literally changed her mind as the police were in route, and when they arrived, the openly way she could manage the situation is to offer a description that turned the focus away from JW.

I don't know that JW even said that nothing ever happened. I thought he wasn't interviewed by police and that he has made no comments about the case. Anyway, it's a tawdry mess whatever particular version of the story turns out to be true.

The State Attorney's Office investigating the Jameis Winston case has been in contact with the alleged rape victim and plans to interview her soon.

Winston, the Florida State quarterback, is not expected to speak with the state attorney.

A police officer dissuading a victim from pursuing a case would be unprofessional, said Cappleman, who adds that might not be the case here because the full context is not known. The officer could have been explaining the reality of a potential high-profile case, she said.

“Everybody thinks everything is a big conspiracy, but usually it isn't in my experience,” Cappleman said.

TMZ is reporting that the accuser did not have a relationship with Winston and did not even know him. They also say Winston did not claim the sex was consensual until after DNA testing linked him with the women.

The FSU message boards and other places are showing Winston in a bar kissing a girl said to be the accuser. The girl is the picture is not the accuser.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/21/jameis-winston-photo-victim-not-me-rape/#ixzz2lJVwEBcU

The DNA report obtained by ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach and the acknowledgement from Winston that he had consensual sex with the woman confirms the two were together early in December. The DNA test confirms that the accuser reported the incident shortly after it happened and submitted to a medical procedure known as a "rape kit," a set of examinations and sample collections that is designed to preserve evidence for use in a trial. Emergency room nurses are specifically trained in rape kit procedures and follow them automatically whenever a patient offers a history of an assault.

Florida state attorney William Meggs will study the medical findings in an effort to determine whether the incident was a violent sexual assault or consensual sex. The nature of any injury can be the conclusive factor in a prosecutor's decision. The presence of an abrasion or laceration could indicate a violent assault, and the absence of any such injury could indicate that the sex was consensual. It is highly likely that Meggs' decision whether to charge Winston will be based on the medical records of any injury...

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This is what the prosecution is up against!

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This is what the prosecution is up against!

FIFY

Prey

Well, the news that Winston and the accuser were previously unacquainted will make the jilted lover narrative a little hard to sell.

His lawyer will probably be unfazed by this. The man seems delusionally confident.

Innocent or guilty, all I want is for the truth to come out.

Good luck on that wish. This is already getting dirty, thanks to the slimy defense lawyer, sloppy police work, and the reaction of the FSU "fans."

Unfortunately our court system is about winning, not about truth.   :(

Unfortunately our court system is about winning, not about truth.   :(

Responding to earlier claims by Winston's attorney that he had consensual sex with the woman, Patricia Carroll, the family's attorney, said in the statement: "To be clear, the victim did not consent. This was a rape."

Lawyer: Defense 'too little, too late

The 'consent defense' is too little too late and is clearly reactive damage control by (Jameis Winston's attorney) after learning the DNA matched his client.

Quote from victim's attorney, Patricia Carroll.

Asked when his office might be ready to make a decision on whether it has sufficient evidence to charge Winston, Meggs told ESPN.com: "I don't really know. I don't know. When you're depending on other people, it makes it a little more difficult. They're not working on our schedule."

Meggs said Wednesday he does not anticipate taking the case in front of a grand jury.

Florida State University officials confirmed Friday that they are investigating a sexual assault allegation against quarterback Jameis Winston, but the acknowledgement raised a new question in a case already rife with them — did the school violate federal law?

Winston's accuser reported the incident to university police in December 2012. Because the alleged attack occurred off-campus, the Tallahassee Police Department took over.

However, Title IX, a federal law, mandates that immediately after a school is informed of such an accusation it must conduct a "prompt, thorough, and impartial" investigation that should take about 60 days to complete, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

Wow.....  :popcorn2:


http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/fsu-investigation-in-jameis-winston-case-raises-more-questions/2153891

Will the school's investigation investigation affect the timing of the State investigation, timing wise? That could put this case over into February before a decision is made on charging him or dismissing him from school.

The accuser reported the incident to FSU police in December 2012. According to the federal law listed above the school had about 60 days to complete the investigation. FSU, FSU police and TPD all swept this thing under the rug and hoped it would go away. IMO this only helps the victim's case.

I just can't figure out if there is a Florida Gator or a Bama fan driving the train that is pushing this right now... :dunno:

I just can't figure out if there is a Florida Gator or a Bama fan driving the train that is pushing this right now... :dunno:

Right now this case and the timing of what is to come seems to be based solely on Winston and the Heisman, not about the young lady. I wish the young lady's lawyer would attack that aspect of the case publically in saying she is not being treated fairly because of the risk of him not winning the trophy. It's all about Winston and the Heisman and not the rape of a young lady.

The Heisman is such a great honor for me to even be mentioned. And, of course, I don't want to lose any voters or anything like that. It's very important to me."/quote]


http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/11/jameis_winston_on_heisman_i_do.html


 :facepalm:

The FSU athletic department code of conduct includes a provision allowing for exceptions to the suspension rule.

The Seminoles' athletic policy manual reads: “In the event the student-athlete is charged with a felony, absent extraordinary circumstances as determined by the administration, he/she will not be permitted to represent FSU Athletics in game competition until such time as the charge is resolved and all court, university and athletics department conditions for reinstatement have been met.”

could the NCAA or the SEC step in at some point and review how FSU handled this case?

The prosecutor leading the investigation of the sexual assault allegation made against Florida State's Jameis Winston said Friday there are still ''four or five'' things that still need to be done before a final decision is made on whether to bring charges against the quarterback.

And more about the investigation.




http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jameis-winston-prosecutors-say-4-or-5-things-to-do-in-case-112213


 :deadhorse:

The family and attorney of the alleged victim said Wednesday in a statement that their attorney, Patricia Carroll, was warned by police that Tallahassee was a ''big football town and the victim needs to think long and hard before proceeding against him because she will be raked over the coals and her life will be made miserable.''and so will the prosecutors

The longer it drags out, the more it stinks!

Bingo! Especially for FSU, Winston, & the Tallahassee police.

could the NCAA or the SEC step in at some point and review how FSU handled this case?

State attorney Willie Meggs told The Associated Press on Saturday it is unlikely that a final decision will be made before Thanksgiving on whether to charge the quarterback.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=333270052


You've got to wonder just how long they plan to drag this out. Looks he he will play against UF.

State Attorney Meggs just recently got the case. He just interviewed the victim on Thursday. I never expected his decision this week and nothing will happen the short week of Thanksgiving. These are government employees. Most are on vacation all of next week. I expect the decision to come the first week of Dec. I also expect Winston to be charged. IMO there is too much evidence not to put it to trial.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=333270052


You've got to wonder just how long they plan to drag this out. Looks he he will play against UF.

they will try to drag it out until the Heisman voting and the BCSNC game
is both over I believe ...
the dynamic duo , Jessie Palmer and Danny Kanell (or as I call em' the two queers)
were just on sportscenter talking about it ... they invoked the
Cam Newton rule of voting only for the play on the field not the person ...
which is complete BS in my book ... that award took a big hit hit in
my eyes and doesn't mean what it once did because of CN

State Attorney Meggs just recently got the case. He just interviewed the victim on Thursday. I never expected his decision this week and nothing will happen the short week of Thanksgiving. These are government employees. Most are on vacation all of next week. I expect the decision to come the first week of Dec. I also expect Winston to be charged. IMO there is too much evidence not to put it to trial.

Hopefully we won't be treated to another athlete issue that has made a mockery out of the juducial syaytem over the years, starting with O J Simpson.

Whether or not this incredible season continues depends upon Meggs, who has lived his entire life in Tallahassee. Criminal charges against Winston would make Meggs the most unpopular man in his hometown since Steve Spurrier coached the Gators. And if he doesn't press charges, there will be those who point to his FSU law degree and accuse him of being just another jock-sniffing law enforcement official in a college football town.

I have a feeling of hopes here for self gain. Brethren and ladies, this is a young man who is old enough to understand what he done was totally wrong to violate another human being. Although this being said, if he is innocent or it was consensual, does a you man need to have his life destroyed because he did something they both agreed to? If guilty he should pay what the law requires, but innocent he should not be trounced on just because of the media and our personal feelings. JMHO. RTR!

State Attorney Meggs just recently got the case. He just interviewed the victim on Thursday. I never expected his decision this week and nothing will happen the short week of Thanksgiving. These are government employees. Most are on vacation all of next week. I expect the decision to come the first week of Dec. I also expect Winston to be charged. IMO there is too much evidence not to put it to trial.

BINgO!! I think this will happen soon.


 :dog:

I've watched a lot of SVU and it's never a good thing when you hear "they found his semen in her underwear"

If he does get charged, say, this week and is suspended immediately, do you think the Gators stand any chance of beating them this coming Saturday or will they likely still run up and down the field with them?  I think they still beat the Gators but would be very susceptible in the ACCCG.

I wonder who all will face civil lawsuits when this fiasco is all over.

That's an easy one:

Tallahassee PD (City of Tallahassee) Encompasses individual officers
Florida State University

I wonder who all will face civil lawsuits when this fiasco is all over.

They'd all be immune under Alabama law, don't know about Florida.

The state attorney's office investigating the sexual assault allegations against Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston has pushed the timeline for making a decision on whether to bring charges to two weeks or more.

Contributing to the delay is the fact that one of the top assistants is involved with a capital murder case next week.

"Believe it or not, we have other cases we're involved with; we haven't shut down our office to focus entirely on this case," William Meggs, state attorney for the Second Judicial Circuit in Tallahassee, Fla., told ESPN.com.

Meggs told The Associated Press last week that there were still "four or five" things that needed to be done before a decision could be made on potential charges.

"We're waiting on some things and we still have some loose ends to tie up," he told ESPN.com last week.

The office is still waiting on some evidence to arrive, Georgia Cappleman, chief assistant state's attorney for Leon County, told CBSSports.com on Tuesday.

"Believe it or not, we have other cases we're involved with; we haven't shut down our office to focus entirely on this case," William Meggs, state attorney for the Second Judicial Circuit in Tallahassee, Fla., told ESPN.com.

Meggs told The Associated Press last week that there were still "four or five" things that needed to be done before a decision could be made on potential charges.

"We're waiting on some things and we still have some loose ends to tie up," he told ESPN.com last week.

never mind this happened almost a year ago huh Willie ?

four or five things to do ?

1) check want ads for new job
2) buy big life insurance policy
3) get wife and kids safely out of town
4) get bullet proof vest
5) nerve pill prescription

My guess is that they aren't going to press charges.  Otherwise they would go arrest him, then hold the press conference.  Can you imagine a press conference to announce that you are going to arrest somebody that is not in custody?

:popcorn2:

Good point, but Winston may be in custody when the announcement is made. Probably turn himself in with his lawyer. Maybe I'm blind, but I think they charge him.

If he did rape her, then I hope they charge him.
If it were my daughter, they wouldn't need to ...

https://twitter.com/CecilHurt/statuses/408355434731683840

A press conference to announce Winston is going to be charged does not make sense to me. I think the Attorney General says there is not enough evidence to charge him or the girl has dropped the charges.

Based on the family's written comments and other things I have read I think he is guilty.

Meggs has said he wanted to make sure prosecutors completed a thorough investigation before making a final decision. He has also said several times that it's up to prosecutors to determine whether there is a "reasonable" chance of conviction. Winston's attorney, Tim Jansen, told the Tallahassee Democrat that he planned on holding a press conference after Meggs' decision with Winston issuing a statement, but he said the time would depend on when Meggs' conference ends. Winston, who was named the ACC player of the year on Wednesday, has led the Seminoles to the No. 1 ranking and they will play for a conference title Saturday, with a shot at the national crown. The quarterback is also the leading candidate for the Heisman and many voters are waiting to see if Winston will be charged with a crime before casting their ballots. The deadline for Heisman ballots to be turned in is Dec. 9.

Florida state attorney William Meggs has scheduled a press conference at 2 p.m. ET Thursday in Tallahassee, Fla., to discuss his office's investigation into Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston on an allegation that he sexually assaulted a woman last year.
''We think we have exhausted all investigative tools,'' Meggs told The Associated Press.

Winston's attorney Jim Jansen has maintained that sex between his client and the woman on the night in question was consensual and has offered affidavits from two witnesses that he says back up Winston's story.

"We are waiting for the press conference. We have not been contacted by Mr. Meggs' office," Jansen texted Yahoo Sports. "We hope the investigation was complete and shows what really happened in December. Mr. Winston did nothing wrong."
While they have no official knowledge of the decision, Tallahassee-area criminal defense attorneys with familiarity of how Meggs' office works said the decision to schedule such an announcement is a sign they believe Winston will not be charged with a crime.
"It sends a strong signal that Jameis Winston will not be charged and Mr. Meggs will use the press conference to explain the results of the thorough investigation that his office completed over the past few weeks," Chuck Hobbs, a defense attorney who previously worked for Meggs in the state attorney's office, told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday evening.
Meggs has not said whether a charge of sexual battery is coming. Last month he promised nothing more than a fair and complete investigation into the incident. If charged, Winston would be suspended from the FSU football program under the university policy. If convicted, he could face up to 15 years in prison.
A 19-year-old Florida State student accused Winston of sexual assault after an early morning incident on Dec. 7, 2012. She filed an immediate report with the Tallahassee police but did not identify Winston until nearly a month later.
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Jameis Winston is the favorite to win the Heisman on Dec. 14. (USA Today)
The case stalled out last winter with conflicting reports from the local police and the female's attorney over cooperation. It was finally handed over to Meggs' office last month after media organizations requested the specific police report, which was released under heavy redaction.
Patricia Carroll, the Tampa-based attorney who has served as a spokesperson for the family of the accuser, did not immediately respond to Yahoo Sports inquiries on Wednesday evening.
Both Hobbs and another local defense attorney believe the calling of a press conference would be out of character for Meggs if he was planning on charging Winston. Meggs has been in office since 1985.
"My experience with Meggs' office has been that unlike some jurisdictions, he doesn't like the dramatic press conference where it is announced that 'law enforcement is arresting the suspect right now,' " Hobbs told Yahoo Sports. "In almost 15 years of practice I have never seen him do that in a high-profile case."

they are on EST there ? so it's 1:00pm here ?

seems like a strange way to handle this  :dunno:

Good point, but Winston may be in custody when the announcement is made. Probably turn himself in with his lawyer. Maybe I'm blind, but I think they charge him.


 :dunno:

And that surprises you ......because.....???

it doesn't surprise me at all it pisses me off
strange = if it were me or you our azz would be in cuffs on 12/07/2012

it doesn't surprise me at all it pisses me off
strange = if it were me or you our azz would be in cuffs on 12/07/2012

Just saying that everything about this case seems to have been mishandled from day 1. Tomorrow will be day #363.