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I hate this for the Penn State fans, they are some of the best fans in college football and they don't deserve what has just happened to them. Their hero of so many years, who just broke the all time win record for a college head coach, is fired for one of the worst things anyone can imagine. It's still hard for me to believe that he did this.

You have to ask why, how could Joe Pa do such a thing. Did winning mean that much to him, was he afraid that if he reported what he knew it might take away the chance of him being the all time winningest coach, we can only wonder.

I have been very reserved of making an opinion of this incident until I knew that everything that had been said about Joe Pa was actually true, and now I know. I'm sickened, here's a man that was in Bear Bryants class, a legend in his part of the country, highly rated by all and now this. How could he not do the right thing and make sure the incident was reported and taken care of, not swept under the rug.

Our society in America has become nothing but a cesspool and it stinks just like one. Everyday on the news someone is throwing their children off a bridge, beating them to death, locking them in cages and yes, sexually molesting them. I can only imagine what this country will be like twenty years from now.  :(  :pray:

I'm with you Jamos.  I gave him the benefit of the doubt, right up until I finally saw the first video of him talking to the students outside his house.  He was more concerned about beating Nebraska and finishing the year than what had happened to those kids.  This spoke volumes to me.  He was... jovial, that is how I would describe it.  Clearly a more somber disposition would have been appropriate, and that is exactly how he would have felt if he felt any remorse or sadness for those victims.  But no, let's "Beat Nebraska" is what he said.  At the very least he should have expressed anger that this happened.  But he treated it like "clutter" that was distracting everybody from the real important stuff:  the Nebraska game.

I have been privileged to attend 6 Alabama - Penn State games in my life going back to 1982. I just hate it for their fans. They have always acted with diginity and class. They had nothing to do with this. I feel sorry for them.

Hang in there JAMOS. Evil has always been present but good always manages to keep it in check. The 24 hour news cycle is vomiting this garbage all over our living rooms day in and day out, making it seem like evil is everywhere. People are still good,...Tide fans are better.

The PSU fans had nothing to do with this vile Sandusky case...until tonight...the world is watching.

I am trying to understand the fans reaction...Paterno is their only living tie to championship level football.

Thanks WV!  ;)

I wonder how much the line has moved (Neb vs. PSU) since it opened?

I might need to change my pick!

If they don't stop flipping over news vans they will be chanting

We are
Cell mates
We are
Cell mates

 :lol:

He wasn't "jovial", he's freakin 87 years old.  He hasn't really been the head coach for years.  It saddens me how all of this has transpired, but cleaning house is waht Penn State must do.  I think if this came out years ago I would expect more from Joe Pa.... at 87 years old I got what I expected.

JoPa is old enough without the hyperbole; actually he's 84.

I'm afraid that Penn State fans are realizing that their idol (JoPa), like the former idol of Ohio State fans (Tressel), didn't have the ideals and virtues they thought.  JoPa put football first, and protected his program in the face of criminal behavior.  It seems that everyone who knew about the behavior yielded to JoPa and the program. 

I'm saddened for them too.  They deserve better.  :(

ALways had respect for Joe..I really don't know what to think now..no one really knows what he was thinking..all we can do is surmise and assume...he really should have come out strongly against Sandusky not only now, but at the time.  If I knew someone who was accused of such acts I would definitely throw them under the bus, long time friend or not.

He just did not react like someone should have..maybe in his mind such acts are so heinous that he just cannot fathom them happening.

I have much sympathy for the kids..none for Sandusky, et.al.

Not that it matters in light of the crimes, but it will be years before PSU is a force in college FB again.

Another thing:  the grad student who witnessed the acts...why the hell was he not enraged? why would not a red-blooded American male, football player, etc. not feel enraged about a grown man performing such acts on a defenseless boy?  And all he did was tell Coach Paterno?

My opinion is that the was scared for his own job..his own career..realized he had to do something, but took the easy road, depended on the higher ups to do the dirty deed.

As much as we impale JoePA,this guy also needs to be impaled on the sword of " did what was legal, but did not do what was morally right".

I think the graduate assistant was probably well aware of the culture of that town and knew for anything to be done, JoePa had to be on board.  No, I don't blame the graduate assistant as much as I blame the others.  I'm sure he will be called to witness (Isn't he on staff with the Nittany Lions now???).

JoePa is just out of touch...institutionalized and away from reality.  I can see how that would happen.  He's has been given so much respect and authority and now it's like he's clinging to keep it.   Wasn't it just a few years ago he was knocked down by a stiff breeze and injured?  He didn't retire then...he's hanging on for dear life.  He bought into his own hype.

When JoePa came out of his house last night with his wife, do you know what he said to the students gathered in front of his home?

Hey, you kids, get off my lawn!

Sorry, just trying to get out of the funk this situation has us in...

You still workin' for MR. Bill Cox?

Fixin lawnmowers and whatnot, mm hmm

Best ever. + for Carl --- he didn't agree with hurtin' boys.

if this grad student had gone to the police .........right then!

You got that right - you saw what old Carl did to someone who messed around with boys...

jovial |ˈjōvēəl|
adjective
cheerful and friendly: she was in a jovial mood.

That seems like an accurate description of the videos I saw with him interacting with the students. :dunno:

He certainly was not outraged at Sandusky, or depressed and sad about what happened to those kids, as I would expect him to be.  This was before he was fired.  He might be sad now, I haven't seen him yet today.

I think this is exactly what has happened.  I didn't believe it at first, but after seeing his reaction a couple of times I think this is a very accurate description of what has transpired.

:clap:

BTW- congrats on making it to 1000.

I don't know what to think. Does one stupid mistake wipe out all the good he did for the university? Not trying to make excuses for JoePa - I really just don't know what to think "big picture".

(http://www.dannylipford.com/images/article/early-show/lawn-mower-blade.jpg)

"Yes, ma'am. I killed Doyle Hargraves with a
  lawnmower blade. Yes, ma'am, Im right sure of it. I hit him two
  good whacks in the head with it. That second one just plum near cut
  his head in two... Its a lil ol white house on the corner of
  Vine Street and some other street. Theres a pick-up truck out
  front that says "Doyle Hargraves Construction" on it. Doyle said
  besides sending the police, you might wanna send an ambulance or a
  hearst. Ill be sitting here, waiting on ye."

If it were Houston Nutt or a less successful coach, people would be rioting to have him hung up in the middle of campus...not rioting to keep the legend going on his own terms.  To me it says something bad about a society where we value winning football games or being good to his football players over standing up for the rights of children who came from an "at risk" background to begin with.  The mark of a man isn't how he treats important people...it's in how he treats those less privileged, less fortunate, and less talented. 

   #+ Well said. E-cred.

I don't disagree with anything you said. I just know that I am struggling with his lack of action vs. all the good I know he did for PSU and the State College community. Just a very sad, confusing situation...

At one time when We were going through our problems with Mike DuBose and Mike Price or when Franchionie ran out on us, I said I would never laugh at other schools or degrade somebody till I had all the facts. I guess we see a power coming down with no thank you's and it is fun as long as it is not us. What if something like that happen here? Yet we haven't went to court yet? I do think before we hang the guy we listen to what everybody has to say and then burn down the PSU. Then maybe we can close the doors. Right now I thought this was America guilty until proven innocent. RTR!