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Title: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: McBaman on November 01, 2015, 01:13:52 PM http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14026475/acc-suspends-field-officials-replay-officials-wild-miami-duke-finish Duke has to be seriously ticked off. I wonder if SEC would EVER suspend officials for wrong calls and obvious penalties missed. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 01, 2015, 01:35:54 PM As blatant as those (non) calls were, that crew should never officiate again.
Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Marshal Dillon on November 01, 2015, 02:00:25 PM As blatant as those (non) calls were, that crew should never officiate again. Bingo! It was so blatantly bad, missed blocks in the back, player's knee on the ground when he lateraled, etc. Several of them will "disappear" & never ref again. :stars: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: ALTideUp on November 01, 2015, 02:52:03 PM I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays.
Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 01, 2015, 03:00:14 PM I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays. You make a valid point, ATU, but as you can see in this gif, there are 2 officials looking directly at the play. (https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/yFOtKx-aWU0Y3tgbE4tgbL9nGzk=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4217955/knee2.0.gif) Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: ALTideUp on November 01, 2015, 03:09:26 PM So it seems indeed, 2. There's no defense against that. I believe both knees and Mr. Johnson were on the turf when the ball left his hand.
Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: SUPERCOACH on November 01, 2015, 03:21:32 PM I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays. I agree. They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line. Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one. Some of the other blocks could have gone either way. I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together. We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion. I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review. If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: SUPERCOACH on November 01, 2015, 03:22:26 PM I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays. You make a valid point, ATU, but as you can see in this gif, there are 2 officials looking directly at the play. (https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/yFOtKx-aWU0Y3tgbE4tgbL9nGzk=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4217955/knee2.0.gif) When I saw the play the first time at full speed I missed this too. I put this one on the replay guys. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Jamos on November 01, 2015, 03:26:12 PM Believe it or not but Auburn was called for an illegal receiver down field yesterday. :o
I agree with ATU that the refs have a lot of area to cover during a game but some of the missed calls are from refs standing 10 yards from the infraction as was in the video of the missed call last night and there were two of them. It amazes me that sometimes they are 30-40 yards from the infraction when they throw a flag and had no problem seeing that. In the argument that CNS has with the refs, illegal receivers downfield, another ref was added to the crew to stop this from happening and they still miss the call unless it's a Bama man downfield and then they see it. After the call on Auburn yesterday, maybe they will be more observant and throw the flag as they should on all the teams that violate the rule. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 01, 2015, 03:30:50 PM I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays. I agree. They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line. Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one. Some of the other blocks could have gone either way. I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together. We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion. I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review. If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys. The block in the back flag was picked up AFTER the review. That penalty not reviewable. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: ricky023 on November 01, 2015, 03:34:21 PM The here in lies though, after the suspensions and all the camera angles how big of a bowl does that cost Duke? Does Duke get a win in the win column? So to me the ref's control to much that's why we have replay to get it right. :o JMHO. RTR!
Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Jamos on November 01, 2015, 03:34:45 PM I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays. I agree. They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line. Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one. Some of the other blocks could have gone either way. I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together. We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion. I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review. If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys. The block in the back flag was picked up AFTER the review. That penalty not reviewable. Not sure but I think the targeting penalty is the only one reviewable. :dunno: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 01, 2015, 03:38:08 PM I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays. I agree. They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line. Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one. Some of the other blocks could have gone either way. I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together. We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion. I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review. If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys. The block in the back flag was picked up AFTER the review. That penalty not reviewable. Not sure but I think the targeting penalty is the only one reviewable. :dunno: That is correct, J. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: SUPERCOACH on November 01, 2015, 04:29:19 PM I have a slightly different take on this. Officiating football is complicated. The refs are positioned at various places on the field and tasked with covering specific zones in which they are looking for specific things. For example, one of them is in charge of determining whether the QB passes forward or backward. The average play lasts about 5 seconds and plays unfold in generally predictable ways. This play took many times longer than that, laterals were pitched from 9 different places on the field, guys were reversing direction a dozen times. It would be insanity to run someone out of the profession for missed calls on a play as absurd as that one, no mater what they missed. Their performance on that play has almost nothing to do with how they do their jobs on 99.9% of plays. I agree. They just didn't see the obvious block in the back at the 16 yard line. Although unfortunate, kind of hard to run them out of town for that one. Some of the other blocks could have gone either way. I'm guessing the flag for block in the back was on one of the legitimate blocks, which is why it was picked up after they huddled together. We have to remember they are watching this crazy play in live action without the benefit of multiple camera angles and slow motion. I do think the replay officials should have called the guy down though after review. If anyone made an error worthy of being run out of town I would say it was those guys. The block in the back flag was picked up AFTER the review. That penalty not reviewable. It was picked up after the review, but the explanation that I heard was that it was picked up because of the refs on the field huddling together and deciding the particular block that was flagged was OK, not because of it being overturned during the review. I wonder if the league office has an audio feed of what was being said on the headsets between the refs. If they did indeed overturn the block in the back because of the review they should all be fired because that is clearly not allowed. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Catch Prothro on November 01, 2015, 07:43:19 PM I wonder if the league office has an audio feed of what was being said on the headsets between the refs. If they did indeed overturn the block in the back because of the review they should all be fired because that is clearly not allowed. Supposedly there were no headset discussions with the replay refs on the block in the back call -- the call was discussed on the field and it was decided to be a legit block. But that means there were two or three blocks-in-the-back that were missed on the play.The video replay refs should have gotten the call correct on the knee down. For the on-field refs, it was harder to be sure at full speed during game action with so much else going on. I think the field refs were mostly watching to make sure the passes weren't forward ones. Not sure how no one caught the extra Miami player running down the field without a helmet. ??? And the field ref sounded completely confused about what had happened and what was being reviewed. Overall, some of the poorest officiating I've seen. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Marshal Dillon on November 01, 2015, 08:03:53 PM The way to stop this nonsense is to allow only 2 laterals per play. Then, it's a penalty if 3.
:dog: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: SUPERCOACH on November 02, 2015, 03:11:00 AM The way to stop this nonsense is to allow only 2 laterals per play. Then, it's a penalty if 3. :dog: :lol2: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: SUPERCOACH on November 02, 2015, 03:17:50 AM I actually think the refs on the field did the correct thing by not ruling his knee was down and letting the play continue. If they call him down when he is not, then the play stops immediately and they rob Miami. When in doubt, let the play continue and sort it out afterwards. If they let the play continue, then no harm is done as long as the replay official gets it right. Unfortunately in this case though, the replay official did not get it right.
I give the guys on the field a B- and the replay official a 0. One more thought, why in the world can't the replay official call a block in the back on a play like this when it is so obvious and the play is already being reviewed? That rule needs to change. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Chechem on November 02, 2015, 05:37:04 AM 1. Yes, Jamos and 2, the blocking was not reviewable. I recall the official hinting that the review was why they picked up the flag.
2. Very difficult to make all calls on the field; THUS, reviews... 3. I put this on the review crew. 4. SUSPENDING THE OFFICIALS?? Why hasn't the ACC reversed the decision and awarded the win to DUKE?? >:( Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 02, 2015, 05:52:35 AM 1. Yes, Jamos and 2, the blocking was not reviewable. I recall the official hinting that the review was why they picked up the flag. 2. Very difficult to make all calls on the field; THUS, reviews... 3. I put this on the review crew. 4. SUSPENDING THE OFFICIALS?? Why hasn't the ACC reversed the decision and awarded the win to DUKE?? >:( Because the rule states that they can't do that. It seems to me though, that since replay is such a large part of the game now, that rule needs to be changed. I mean if they are going to such extremes to "get it right", they need to do everything to "get it right". ' Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Chechem on November 02, 2015, 06:22:13 AM 1. Yes, Jamos and 2, the blocking was not reviewable. I recall the official hinting that the review was why they picked up the flag. 2. Very difficult to make all calls on the field; THUS, reviews... 3. I put this on the review crew. 4. SUSPENDING THE OFFICIALS?? Why hasn't the ACC reversed the decision and awarded the win to DUKE?? >:( Because the rule states that they can't do that. It seems to me though, that since replay is such a large part of the game now, that rule needs to be changed. I mean if they are going to such extremes to "get it right", they need to do everything to "get it right". ' Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: N.AL-Tider on November 02, 2015, 06:45:37 AM I had wondered about whether the player's knee was down in the gif posted earlier but I had not seen it slowed down like that so, since the official was standing right in front of that part of the play, I dismissed it as not being "down." However, I did question the "review" of the block in the back penalty. It was my impression that the only penalty that was reviewable was targeting. Is this not the case?
Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 02, 2015, 06:55:22 AM 1. Yes, Jamos and 2, the blocking was not reviewable. I recall the official hinting that the review was why they picked up the flag. 2. Very difficult to make all calls on the field; THUS, reviews... 3. I put this on the review crew. 4. SUSPENDING THE OFFICIALS?? Why hasn't the ACC reversed the decision and awarded the win to DUKE?? >:( Because the rule states that they can't do that. It seems to me though, that since replay is such a large part of the game now, that rule needs to be changed. I mean if they are going to such extremes to "get it right", they need to do everything to "get it right". ' :lol2: Don't shoot the messenger. Besides, I'm on your side. But once the game has been determined to have completed, no matter the controversy, the game is over as stands. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Chechem on November 02, 2015, 08:49:42 AM ... :lol::lol2: Don't shoot the messenger. Besides, I'm on your side. But once the game has been determined to have completed, no matter the controversy, the game is over as stands. I watched Mike and Mike this morning. They were discussing it too. Conclusion: If they can review the plays a minute after the game ends, then they can review it the next hour, next day, etc. The ACC concluded that the officials screwed up, and suspended the on-field ones, plus the replay guys and the "communicator". The ACC admitted that fouls were missed and mistakes made. SO, CHANGE THE SCORE!! Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: KoKoPuf on November 02, 2015, 09:20:28 AM Why can't Duke today ask for a review? No other play has been run so I think it is possible. Since the ACC has already stated the runner's knee was down, play was dead, and Duke wins.
Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Chechem on November 02, 2015, 09:52:50 AM Why can't Duke today ask for a review? No other play has been run so I think it is possible. Since the ACC has already stated the runner's knee was down, play was dead, and Duke wins. There was an automatic review of the play at game's end. All TDs in last 2 minutes are reviewed. Do you mean a review now? The ACC did a review and agreed with Duke. But for some STUPID idea, nobody has the cajones to grant Duke the win! Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: N.AL-Tider on November 02, 2015, 10:52:51 AM Why can't Duke today ask for a review? No other play has been run so I think it is possible. Since the ACC has already stated the runner's knee was down, play was dead, and Duke wins. There was an automatic review of the play at game's end. All TDs in last 2 minutes are reviewed. Do you mean a review now? The ACC did a review and agreed with Duke. But for some STUPID idea, nobody has the cajones to grant Duke the win! Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Chechem on November 02, 2015, 10:58:28 AM Why can't Duke today ask for a review? No other play has been run so I think it is possible. Since the ACC has already stated the runner's knee was down, play was dead, and Duke wins. There was an automatic review of the play at game's end. All TDs in last 2 minutes are reviewed. Do you mean a review now? The ACC did a review and agreed with Duke. But for some STUPID idea, nobody has the cajones to grant Duke the win! Nonsense. I'll bet 2's wet shoes that the NCAA yields to conference decisions. Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Chechem on November 02, 2015, 11:45:06 AM SURE, YOU GUYS PLAY THE 'GAME-OVER CARD' FOR DUKE, BUT FOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PICK-'EM CONTEST AFTER THAT ENDED IN ERROR.
WTH?? I WAS 7-3!! :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 02, 2015, 11:54:13 AM SURE, YOU GUYS PLAY THE 'GAME-OVER CARD' FOR DUKE, BUT FOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PICK-'EM CONTEST AFTER THAT ENDED IN ERROR. WTH?? I WAS 7-3!! :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: (http://www.mydyingbride.net/forum/images/smilies/nopityA.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/troll.gif) Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Chechem on November 02, 2015, 11:56:20 AM SURE, YOU GUYS PLAY THE 'GAME-OVER CARD' FOR DUKE, BUT FOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PICK-'EM CONTEST AFTER THAT ENDED IN ERROR. WTH?? I WAS 7-3!! :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: (http://www.mydyingbride.net/forum/images/smilies/nopityA.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/troll.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 02, 2015, 11:59:15 AM SURE, YOU GUYS PLAY THE 'GAME-OVER CARD' FOR DUKE, BUT FOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PICK-'EM CONTEST AFTER THAT ENDED IN ERROR. WTH?? I WAS 7-3!! :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: (http://www.mydyingbride.net/forum/images/smilies/nopityA.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/troll.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) :lol: :rofl: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: ricky023 on November 02, 2015, 03:20:58 PM I only have question, who is over the replay guy? RTR!
Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Marshal Dillon on November 02, 2015, 05:40:50 PM SURE, YOU GUYS PLAY THE 'GAME-OVER CARD' FOR DUKE, BUT FOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PICK-'EM CONTEST AFTER THAT ENDED IN ERROR. WTH?? I WAS 7-3!! :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: (http://www.mydyingbride.net/forum/images/smilies/nopityA.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/troll.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) I love our intelligent, mature, & well-thoght out conversations. :facepalm: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 02, 2015, 06:32:33 PM SURE, YOU GUYS PLAY THE 'GAME-OVER CARD' FOR DUKE, BUT FOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PICK-'EM CONTEST AFTER THAT ENDED IN ERROR. WTH?? I WAS 7-3!! :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: (http://www.mydyingbride.net/forum/images/smilies/nopityA.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/troll.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) I love our intelligent, mature, & well-thoght out conversations. :facepalm: (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: Chechem on November 03, 2015, 06:15:12 AM SURE, YOU GUYS PLAY THE 'GAME-OVER CARD' FOR DUKE, BUT FOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PICK-'EM CONTEST AFTER THAT ENDED IN ERROR. (http://www.mydyingbride.net/forum/images/smilies/nopityA.gif)WTH?? I WAS 7-3!! (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/troll.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) :facepalm: (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn142/Karnuvore/emoticons/give-the-finger.gif) :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: 2Stater on November 03, 2015, 06:22:33 AM SURE, YOU GUYS PLAY THE 'GAME-OVER CARD' FOR DUKE, BUT FOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PICK-'EM CONTEST AFTER THAT ENDED IN ERROR. (http://www.mydyingbride.net/forum/images/smilies/nopityA.gif)WTH?? I WAS 7-3!! (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/troll.gif) (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) :facepalm: (http://www.woollyal.com/core/images/smilies/moon.gif) (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn142/Karnuvore/emoticons/give-the-finger.gif) :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol: :lol: :lol: Title: Re: ACC Suspends Duke-Miami Game Officials Post by: ricky023 on November 03, 2015, 11:00:54 AM Brethren, I have to say I love all you guys/gals cause I feel bad come on here and reading all your conversations just brings a big ole Smile. RTR!
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