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First, I heard on Finebaum that DE Greg Hardy could be let go by the Panthers because of his domestic violence situation. Plus this on Adrian Petersen:




http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11514522/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-indicted-child-case


More info on NFL on my next post.


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More info about NFL. A report about players & ex-players about dementia.





http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11513442/data-estimates-3-10-nfl-retirees-face-cognitive-woes

More bad news for Goodell.




http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11513531/survey-says-most-think-roger-goodell-statement-not-truthful-mixed-keeping-job

What do you think about all this stuff guys? I am interested in those of you who have kids playing football, want to play football, or who played football through high school and maybe into college. Also, what about these brain problems associated with football, what's going to happen to the sport and how many more changes can they make? Just wondering.



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Forgot about this knucklehead and his domestic violence problems.




http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11514198/ray-mcdonald-san-francisco-49ers-court-hearing-postponed

My son begs me to play, but so far I have not let him.  I may let him when he gets in high school, but I am concerned that all the kids that are playing now will be way ahead of him.  It is a dilemma that I have thought about quite a bit.  Right now I am leaning toward getting him involved in a 7 on 7 or flag football league so he can learn the basics of the game without fear of serious injury.  But there aren't any such leagues around here because all the kids are playing tackle football.

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MD, it seems like the NFL is trying to "FINALLY" stop sweeping this kind of behavior under the rug. They have got to have random drug(steroid) tests every month even in the off season. I am sure most of us have experienced someone who has taken  steroids, or something similar and seen the change in their personality and especially their aggressiveness.
      Next they need to address concussions and not accept that the helmet design can't be IMPROVED. Why can't they put some sort of cushioning substance on all players helmets? Offense and defense, to absorb the hits

What does momma say?

BINGO!! I think you have nailed it. The owners don't want to lose valuable players and mess with them making profits from winning and making the playoffs. The dirt has piled so high now they can't sweep it under the rug anymore. Good observation 57.


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I agree that helmets can be improved.  Scientists/engineers need to get involved to create a helmet that can minimize the impact forces on the brain.  Look how far we have progressed in automobile safety since the invention of crash test dummies.  They need to have a similar effort to make football safer, without throwing the game away and resorting to flag football.

I'm OK with broken bones occasionally, as long as it is rare.  Those types of injuries can generally be recovered from at least enough to go on and live a productive life.  Even Prothro's gruesome injury will not prevent him from leading a normal life.  Sure, he can't play sports professionally, but he can still work and lead a normal life like the rest of us.  I wouldn't wish his injury on anybody, I'm just making the point that even with that injury he is still alive and a productive member of society, unlike some of the guys who suffered head and neck injuries.

But head and neck injuries need to be dealt with scientifically and eliminated as much as possible.  Neck injuries/paralysis are pretty much a function of improper technique by the person who is ultimately the victim.  Education is the answer there, and if they insist on not using proper technique the outcome is on them.  Of course there will be exceptions to this and occasionally someone will use proper technique and still get a serious neck injury.  For example, if they are in the process of falling and can't control how contact is made.

I think the college game has it right on the targeting rule, now.  If it is questionable go ahead and throw the flag, but if the video review shows that it was a clean hit then reverse the penalty.  I think that over time this new rule will make a big difference without really eliminating the big "clean" hits.

We didn't ask her.  :dunno:  :lol:

Today on Mike and Mike in the morning, I heard some women were saying this is not a football/NFL decision, it is a police matter.  Here is an argument.  If a CEO beats his wife he is not removed from his job, why should the NFL be any different?  

That thought has crossed my mind as well.  But these days, the CEO would lose his job if the public found out about and it hurt the company.  The CEO of a fast food chain for example.  The CEO of an obscure company that made tools would probably keep his job.

This discussion sort of ties in to the way the NCAA handled the Penn State case.  Was it the NCAA's place to punish Penn State for a criminal act?  We've had that debate on here before too.

I was raised where you NEVER, EVER, struck a woman! PERIOD!
Maybe it was the circumstances they were raised under that they thought this was OK. Still not OK with the rest of us!

Most CEO's don't have language that specific in their contracts, pertaining to conduct. Professional athletes do, however, but are rarely held to it, until now.

I'm glad that the NFL is being made to toe the line on this. This does not follow along with all the other PC crap that's being shoved down our throats, it's the right thing to do. There is no place for domestic violence, anywhere, period!

Goodell wanted to take it easy on Ray Rice, presumably, because Rice's wife asked him to. I have news for Mrs. Rice, Ray will do it again. Bet on it! I've been in law enforcement and seen cases of it outside of law enforcement, that hit much closer to home. The abusers don't stop, and the women, for the most part, keep forgiving them or are just too afraid to turn them in or are equally afraid to prosecute them.

Zero tolerance is the ONLY acceptable policy concerning domestic abuse.

Now on to Adrian Peterson. Apparently he is being charged with child endangerment for taking a switch to his child. Shoot, every parent in history, up until the last 20 years would be in jail, if that had always been the law. They would have put mine under the jail. They made me go out and get the switch they were going to use on me.

The major problem with our society today is the lack of corporal punishment administered by parents. Heck, lets just give them all a participation trophy for acting up!

I'm going to stop now before I go all Mad Max up in here.  :lol2:

I understand zero tolerance, but do we ruin someone's life because of it? I'm not talking about serious bodily injury or death, but something like why Rice did. We as a society believe in 2nd chances and our Christian ethic teaches the same through forgiveness. How about a 10-12 game suspension and a 2nd time he is banned for life? Just wondering.

MD, I'm a Christian and should believe that way, but I've seen too much to accept that. That's why I asked Preacher to pray for me yesterday morning. I can't forgive the perpetrators of 911 either. I'll leave that up to the Lord for both groups. I love most people, but there is some hate that's reserved for certain people, that I can't shake.

question: Is Ray Rice eligible to transfer to Auburn?  :dunno:

 :lol: Their next QB.

HS seems late to be getting started. You're right, the other kids will have been playing for years.  When you play young, the other kids aren't too big either, and I think the risk of injury isn't too bad.  As kids get bigger, though, the hits get harder, risk of injury increases.  I started playing football at 7 years old.  By the time I reached HS age, I had had one concussion game where I kept playing (we didn't know any better), and the hits kept getting harder. After the concussion, and having a friend carried off the field in a stretcher to the hospital, I decided football was a game and not a career for me, and that was my last season.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/vikings-rb-adrian-peterson-charged-sons-injury-wont-play-sunday-n202536


A "switch", right?  As in 'a small, thin twig from a tree'.

That's a crime??  I must be missing something.  Hell, when I was a kid they made me go cut my own switch before "abusing" me with it. 

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To borrow from MD, BINGO! That is why I am in zero hurry to forget what Ray has done. I worry about this, because even though they both say it had never happened before, there was alcohol involved, whatever, I can't help but wondering if that is actually true. I know alcohol can impair judgement, but effect it to the point that you beat the crap out of your fiancee, something you claim "you never have done before"? That I am not sure of.

As for Adrian Peterson, unless he was using a branch the size of a baseball bat and left gaping wounds on his child, this is not abuse. If it was both, my grandparents and parents would have been in prison years ago.  :eyeroll:

I have to say 2STATER that I partly agree with you. I do however know that Jesus in the WORD teaches us that we are not to hate, BUT there is a point for HATE. The Bible teaches us to HATE the SIN but not the person even in the case of 9/11. JESUS hated because he hated the sin but not the person. There is a scripture I am going to try to find if I can this morning.
EPHESIANS 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: This is my thoughts and not mine only. RTR!

Thanks, Preacher. I will work harder to follow that.

I think this is why he was indicted:



This happened in Texas, not a loony liberal state, so some type of injury may have occurred.

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I saw a pic on another forum, that was supposedly AP's kid. If so, he should be arrested.  :(

Then I change my perspective. There is a way of using a switch without causing those kind of injuries.