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Sad, so sad. RTR!

I would have been very impressed if he manned up and admitted to choking on the FG's & apologizing for it. 



 :deadhorse:

Enough already!

I guess I should post some sappy, whiny statement about the poor "kid" and how it's not his fault. Facts are a cruel, cruel teacher. He had 3 chances and he blew it. We all know he choked, just like LSU 2011, but we are supposed to pretend it's no big deal. Actually, I blame Saban for putting him in that position, but Saban has proved himself. Like I said, if he just manned up to his failure, I would be hugely impressed and would back off & compliment him. We all screw up, it's admitting our failures that makes us a better person and shows other folks we take responsibility and seek to improve.

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MD, I can give you a couple of dozen FACTS as to why we lost the game, if not more.  The fact is he did miss those field goals.  We don't deny that.  But it seems unfair to me to ignore all of the other miscues and single out one guy.

This^^^. Three plays are miniscule compared to all the bad plays we made.

What would CPBB say?

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Name 3 plays that denied us a score, like an offside on a TD pass. We had a motion penalty, I think, on the made FG, so that's one. That still leaves Foster with 3 missed scores. Plus, because of his ineffectiveness, we had to go for a first down in Barn territory instead of trying a FG in the 4th qtr. We have ALL talked about Foster over the years and our concerns about his kicking. His inability to kickoff into the end zone, giving the other the other team a chance to advance the football. His lack of consistency, his crappy performance against LSU in 2011, leading to Jeremy Shelley saving the day when we played against LSU, again. The negative impact of Foster's "performance" against Auburn far, far, far exceeds any other single player on the team. After all these years of concern about him, it finally caught up to the team & fans and cost us big time.  The big question, that others have asked is, why has Saban allowed this problem to fester and finally bite him on the rear end?


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I gotta say that I disagree with the underlined/bold type.  There is no way that Foster's ineffectiveness caused our offense to go for a first down in Barn territory.  I'm not sure of the field position of which you are talking about but...the LOS being on the 50 yard line would require a 67 yard field goal.  What you are talking about is probably more like 75 yards or more.  No coach currently at Bama or ever before at Bama would ask a kicker to line up and try something like that.  In reality, the lack of focus and execution on the part of our offense and especially the defense is what forced us to have to go for it.  Just my .02 though...

Not to argue here, because this has gotten old, but what about dropped passes galore that may have resulted in TD's or at least extended drives. Take Norwood's dropped TD pass for instance and AJ overthrowing and underthrowing  for what would have been at least 2 more TD's. Should Cyrus Jones apologize for giving up a first down on 3rd and 18 and then later a TD.

You may not want to accept this, but Cade Foster is great on special teams. If he would have been the one to attempt the last FG, chances are that he makes the play on Davis and we go to OT.

What about the constant failures of the OL to execute on 3rd and short, so that FG attempts would have been irrelevant?

I could go on and on with play after play that was not executed by Bama players. Apparently, MD, you want only Foster to man up. Well then the entire team needs to man up. But actually, they don't. They played hard and no one screwed up on purpose. No one needs to apologize except for those in our fan base that don't know how to lose with a little dignity. That  last part is not directed at you, MD, but it is a true statement about many of our fans.

Just spewed my coffee.   :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

while I agree that CF's kicking was less than stellar
if the the 3 points were not taken off the score board we
would't be having this conversation would we ?

what kills me is this
first it was updyke , or even before that
the "too full of BAMA" tackle off the bench
then the teabagger guy
now we have death threats against one of our players

what the heck is wrong with Alabama fans ? then a
lady gets killed because she wasn't mad enough about the loss ?
before that there was another killing close to the same a few years ago ?

Jesus H Christ !   :wall:

I don't know how many of you read some of the threats to Cade
but I read what seemed like a hundred or more
all sorts of cussing , name calling and death threats with some
very lame jokes mixed in
some of the threats were pretty serious and someone needed to
be arrested if you ask me

myself , if believe if he missed 10 kicks he didn't deserve what he got
how about all the tackles he made ? the 130 points he did score ?
his teammates talking about how he poured his heart into this team ?

did he cost us the game ? maybe he did
but I can point to a few others and say that as well including
Coach Saban

not sure about ya'll but I'm embarrassed
I'm embarrassed that our fan base would act like that regardless of
what a player screwed up

I'm embarrassed just like when updyke poisoned those dang trees
and that idiot teabagged that LSU fan  , does make us look like
what everyone says about us is true because of a few idiots fans ?   
sure it does ...

sometimes I think if I hear tree killer one more time I might puke !
da#@ you updyke ! you ain't no BAMA fan , a real fan would never
embarrass his school like that ...

so now here we are ,,,
we lost to the barn
which caused the updyke nation to threaten to kill our own players
and we'll drag our sack across your face if we would have won ?

does that about sum it up ? 

I thought we were better than this
Class ? win with class ? we got class and we going to show them ?
lose with class ? play with class ?

class my azz  :wall:
 
 



 

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Sorry, X, I couldn't resist.  :lol2:

I agree with MD, CF is the biggest single cause of the loss. The offense scored enough points to win and the defense held AU to few enough points to win. CF was 0-3 or 0 percent for his performance. No other player performed as poorly, not the OL, DL, AJ, AC, the backs, no one one screwed up 100 percent of the time except the field goal kickers. I just hope thE Alabama School of Medicine has higher standards for judging lictors than some of you have for judging kickers.

Steady guy and don't overreact and don't let it get to you so hard. There are probably 800,000 Tide fans in the state and maybe 1000 of them act like total asses. That's .00125%.  So what, there are at least that many LSU, Georgia, Oklahoma, etc. fans who act just as bad. The tea bagging fan was 32 years old hanging around 20 & 21 year old college kids. What's wrong with that picture? Then, he had to call Daddy to come bail him out. Pathetic, but he's one loser out of a 1000 others losers. We have the best college football program in the country and EVERYONE is watching us. I prefer that over being Florida Atlantic.


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I am asking for three facts or acts that absolutely cost us points, like his 3 missed FG's. Not suppositions or maybes or could haves, but actual events like the motion penalty on a successful FG. Those were proven points. An offsides during a drive is not a factual proving of costing us points. I anxiously await.


 ;)

I waiting for the "ya'll kill that kicker yet" t-shirts :wall:

if we never kick another field goal again it will be to soon  :lol2:

I am praying for CADE and his family because this lesson of how people act should make them stronger. I honestly pray for the people who made threats on him. I pray they get found and punished according to Gods' Rules. RTR!

Coach Saban is totally responsible for the condition of the kicking game. This has been a problem area for years and is a weak point for Saban. He goes out-of-his-way to protect his special teams coach. Maybe we will see major improvement after this fiasco.


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How about the 3 trips in the red zone in the 4th quarter and scoring exactly 0 touchdowns?  Do you think 0% in the red zone is acceptable execution by the offense?  I can remember at least one of those trips where we had Jones wide open in the back of the end zone and made a bad pass.  2stater mentioned the dropped TD pass to Norwood.  You mentioned the movement on the FG, so that is 3.  I'm not interested in watching the game again just so I can point out 3 specific plays for you that meet your narrow criteria of costing us points on 1 single play.  What about giving up points to them on a single play?  I can think of a few examples of that.  How about the play when Mosely did not play his assignment and let them run right up the middle untouched for a 45 yard TD?  How about when we were out of position and nobody covered Coates on their last offensive TD that went for 39 yards to tie the game with less than a minute to go?  How about when they ran the exact same play 5 times in a row and rammed it down our throats for 81 yards to score a TD right before half time?  How about Saban going for it on 4th and 1 at the 13 yard line instead of trying a FG with Griffith (you know, the guy he thought could hit a 60 yarder)?

Foster attempted 4 field goals and the only really bad one was the one that happened right after the penalty took the one he made off the board.  That retry was his 3rd attempt.  The first attempt was a 44 yarder that he missed about a yard to the left, a respectable attempt.  44 yarders are not gimmes.  The second one was the one he made that was taken away by the penalty.  The other one was his last attempt that was blocked, also a 44 yarder.

I will say this again:  Foster did miss those 3 field goals and it would have been nice if he would have made at least 1 of them.  But he is not the only one that made mistakes, not even the only one who made a mistake that cost us points, nor the one who made a mistake that gave them points.

Just the only one who was 100 percent on his mistake! I don't mean to beat on CF, but it doesn't do him any good to say it was OK to totally fail to perform his job. Or the team. Everyone should be held to standards and if they do not perform accept the criticism that comes with failure.

Agreed.  Let's not single out one guy for criticism and ignore all the other mistakes.  If the rest of the team had played well and we only lost because of the missed field goals, then single him out.  Otherwise, be fair with the criticism.

Amen.  It's a team game. 
More importantly, I thought this forum was for fair-minded people who didn't attack individuals.  Finding fault and assigning blame is NOT the same as assessing a team loss.

I think it's time to end this blame game.  Shame, blame, disrespect, and betrayal are all tools of hate; not appropriate herein.

Maybe you should look in a mirror and ask yourself what you have done to support the team.  ;)

Number 1, I haven't dissed the team, just Foster for choking when the whole team and fan base was depending on him. Number 2, I don't believe in blind loyalty in which you support someone or something just because others think you should. History has taught us the perils of blind loyalty. Even in Nick Saban's first year, there were knuckleheads dissing him and still supporting Shula, until 2008, of course. I support the team by buying tickets to football, basketball, & some baseball games (something most fans don't do.) I was prepared to spend big money and attend the SECCG with my son and treat him to choice seating, a special father/son trip. I am not a robot, I have a brain and an opinion and will continue to use both. Like I said, blind, unquestioning loyalty does not work for me. Many of you guys bleed a river of Crimson and I respect that & commend you. We need that in every program. Don't take it personal because I don't see things the way you do.


 :-*

More Bama fans not acting humble:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517728/Roll-tide-Alabama-fan-leaves-rude-note-refusing-tip-server-supports-rivals-Auburn.html

I can honestly say I act the same way around Aubies whether we win or lose. If we lose, I don't make excuses. If we win, I am proud, but I don't rub it in. It's a game. I still wish we had beat them 41-10, my prediction.



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We did not play well as a team, Cade Foster included. There is plenty of blame to go around. I bet in the locker room there were several guys with their head down accepting the blame for the loss. I also bet there were more players at their side patting them on the back and telling them to get their chin up. What went on in that locker room should be for the teams eyes and ears only. Once they come out of that locker room it should be a united front saying exactly what AJ McCarron said "We win as a team and we lose as a team".

I know in the bowl game when Cade Foster lines up for a kick-off, field goal or extra point I will be his biggest fan.

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How come no one is blaming AJ for under throwing balls that should have been TDs?  What about the rec that dropped one in the end zone? What about the low snaps which threw the timing off especially on the one where the rec was open in the end zone?  What about all the times the defenders lost contain especially on the one that allowed the TD that tied the game?

I'm sorry but you guys just ain't getting what I'm saying. Overthrowing a pass might or might not have been a TD (the key word is might). It's speculation, period. Cade Foster missed 3 FG's, that is a fact, not speculation. It does not matter if we were in the red zone 10 times, you can not assume a TD or FG. If  AJ completed 25 consecutive passes we MIGHT have won. Do we blame AJ for not completing 25 consecutive passes and losing the game, of course not. If TJ runs for 250 yards we MIGHT have won. However, if Cade Foster hits ONE FG, we would have won. See the difference?


 :dog:

But a rec did actually drop a pass for what would have been a TD which would have been the difference in the game not needing the FG.

What's the difference between an errant pass and an errant kick, they both failed. You use the word "IF" quite often, that is nothing more than speculation and not factual.

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Let's put this to rest. Rece rules in favor of the forum vs MD. Case closed. :Gavel smacks: