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Title: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 04, 2011, 03:43:41 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/gas-prices-jump-17-cents-overnight-njgas-/story?id=13055985&cid=ESPNheadline

i know this is different but I wonder when all this madness is going to stop. How can our country keep surviving on other countries problems. Eveything that happens in the Mideast always causes our prices to go up. Why don't we buy stuff made in America so our prices would not be effected by foreign countries. RTR!


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: KoKoPuf on March 04, 2011, 04:56:11 PM
Well, we can't drill in the Arctic cause it might scare a polar bear or caribou and we can't drill ion the GOM cause the shrimp get upset, can't drill off the East and West Coast because the liberals get mad, Texas & Oklahoma are about used up so I guess we are stuck.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 04, 2011, 07:13:38 PM
No not actually KoKoPuf. We have all kinds of veins in ND, SD, and Montana. They just for some reason haven't used them. RTR!


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: Chechem on March 04, 2011, 07:19:30 PM

We don't even get Libyan oil (I heard), but their problems pumped up the pumps.  I paid $3.38 today, and had to search for one that....low. :(

Reality?  The world population is approaching 7 billion.  The resources are running low.  This is a symptom.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_snss6u0-WRI/SZI4-R_Ar_I/AAAAAAAACrI/y3mz1LWvNno/s400/end-is-near-lk1010ad.jpg)


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 04, 2011, 07:57:44 PM
Hey Che you know this is because the big dog gas people are afraid we are going to take over the oil fields and then the prices will be forced to come down. RTR!


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: Chechem on March 04, 2011, 08:19:04 PM
Hey Che you know this is because the big dog gas people are afraid we are going to take over the oil fields and then the prices will be forced to come down. RTR!

I'm afraid the prices would go up even if we had those oil fields.  I listened to a story today about the oilfield workers in Libya.  Many are very poor, from Bangladesh, Somalia and Ethiopia, and get pennies per day.  But most haven't been paid for 2 months now,so they are fleeing the country.  Many were robbed in the desert while fleeing.

Think we'd pay these people pennies to work if we ran those oil fields?  Nope.

The price will go up.

(http://mashwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/d68df8482132_de27-1.jpg)
Oilfield workers at the Libyan border: chaos.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 04, 2011, 08:20:20 PM
You have a good point. We would pay them a proper wage for their work. RTR!


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: LegalAcidity on March 04, 2011, 09:43:01 PM
I fear a major storm on the horizon, and you all probably should too.

It doesn't matter if we don't get oil from Libya, because they contribute to the world's oil supply (around 2% I believe).  As such, if they suffer disruptions, everyone suffers.

Another problem is that the United States has no way to provide the amount of oil that we use on a daily basis.  Even if the infrastructure was already in place, I don't know that we could produce the required barrels of oil per day to satisfy our current demand.

The next domino I'm afraid of is Saudi Arabia.  Small elite ruling class, large lower class, high unemployment, rising food costs....sound familiar?  If Saudi Arabia were to descend into what has befallen Egypt, Somalia, Yemen, Bahrain, Libya, etc., then forget about $3 or $4 or even $5 gas.  Those of you that were around in the '70s will remember what it could be like.  Only this go-round, expect to wait in a gas line for hours for the privilege of paying $8 for a gallon of gas.

If fuel prices continue to rise, then food prices will rise as well due to the increased transportation costs.  Fuel prices go up, food prices go up, and then we'll have government budgets that are dependent on sales taxes and property tax revenues face massive shortfalls.  Then the federal government is affected, and, say, they curb welfare benefits.  Once enough dominos fall, we could be facing our own riots in the very near future.

It may seem crazy, but the pieces are in place for a global meltdown of epic proportions.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 05, 2011, 05:13:19 AM
Nope doesn't seem crazy. I remember when gas went to $1 a gallon and everybody said if it gets any higher I won't drive. Shoot where are we now? RTR!


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ssmith general on March 05, 2011, 05:17:38 AM
You're forgetting that oil is a publicly traded future, the prices may spike, but will level back out.  Now, that could be pretty high, but 8 bucks is pushing it.   History repeats itself, if there is an oil crisis, the prices jump, drop, then stabilize at a higher level.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: Chechem on March 05, 2011, 05:19:16 AM

Legal has it.  Look at this graph.  If it were lemmings or any other species, we'd say "population crash".  Why?  The global resources can't sustain such population growth or such population levels.  GET REAL.  It's (unfortunately) that simple.  Help me out here, Ricky, what's coming?  Famine, disease...

Sorry to rain on Saturday morning.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O_I9MZqhI8M/S-0K75hNpaI/AAAAAAAAAns/6y_Vl14kaS8/s1600/world-population-chart.jpg)


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ssmith general on March 05, 2011, 05:21:41 AM

Legal has it.  Look at this graph.  If it were lemmings or any other species, we'd say "population crash".  Why?  The global resources can't sustain such population growth or such population levels.  GET REAL.  It's (unfortunately) that simple.  Help me out here, Ricky, what's coming?  Famine, disease...

Sorry to rain on Saturday morning.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O_I9MZqhI8M/S-0K75hNpaI/AAAAAAAAAns/6y_Vl14kaS8/s1600/world-population-chart.jpg)

People in developing countries dont drive.  :P


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: BAMAWV on March 05, 2011, 05:26:51 AM
That's unfortunate about the price of gas and all. Guess I need to write myself another raise.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 05, 2011, 05:27:26 AM
It looks like the big users started in 1953 from what I can see. Does that mean supply or usage? RTR!


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: Chechem on March 05, 2011, 05:38:08 AM
It looks like the big users started in 1953 from what I can see. Does that mean supply or usage? RTR!

Look closer, Preacher.  Those are people (human population).  Whatever they did in 1953 resulted in many of these people on the planet today.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: BAMAWV on March 05, 2011, 05:40:37 AM
You're forgetting that oil is a publicly traded future, the prices may spike, but will level back out.  Now, that could be pretty high, but 8 bucks is pushing it.   History repeats itself, if there is an oil crisis, the prices jump, drop, then stabilize at a higher level.

^ The same speculators that drive the price up, also drive it down.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ssmith general on March 05, 2011, 05:42:43 AM
You're forgetting that oil is a publicly traded future, the prices may spike, but will level back out.  Now, that could be pretty high, but 8 bucks is pushing it.   History repeats itself, if there is an oil crisis, the prices jump, drop, then stabilize at a higher level.

^ The same speculators that drive the price up, also drive it down.

That was my point, it can only go so high til they lose money and it becomes a bear market and stablizes.  Happens over and over. 

People forget also, most of our oil comes from Canada.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: Chechem on March 05, 2011, 05:46:13 AM
You're forgetting that oil is a publicly traded future, the prices may spike, but will level back out.  Now, that could be pretty high, but 8 bucks is pushing it.   History repeats itself, if there is an oil crisis, the prices jump, drop, then stabilize at a higher level.

^ The same speculators that drive the price up, also drive it down.

That was my point, it can only go so high til they lose money and it becomes a bear market and stablizes.  Happens over and over. 

People forget also, most of our oil comes from Canada.

I understand, and that's a good point.  But the global market (gluttony) for oil has increased with the industrialization of China and improved economy of other developing countries.  We're still the top hog, of course.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: BAMAWV on March 05, 2011, 05:49:14 AM
You're forgetting that oil is a publicly traded future, the prices may spike, but will level back out.  Now, that could be pretty high, but 8 bucks is pushing it.   History repeats itself, if there is an oil crisis, the prices jump, drop, then stabilize at a higher level.

^ The same speculators that drive the price up, also drive it down.

That was my point, it can only go so high til they lose money and it becomes a bear market and stablizes.  Happens over and over. 

People forget also, most of our oil comes from Canada.
"Ohio is bracing for an oil boom as companies, led by Chesapeake, gobble up leases covering millions of acres in the eastern half of the state. While no one's yet proven the commercial potential of the Utica formation, an oil-rich layer of rock that underlies this area, some believe it will yield crude on par with the largest shale reservoirs in the U.S. and spark a Rust Belt resurrection."



Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ssmith general on March 05, 2011, 05:50:38 AM
You're forgetting that oil is a publicly traded future, the prices may spike, but will level back out.  Now, that could be pretty high, but 8 bucks is pushing it.   History repeats itself, if there is an oil crisis, the prices jump, drop, then stabilize at a higher level.

^ The same speculators that drive the price up, also drive it down.

That was my point, it can only go so high til they lose money and it becomes a bear market and stablizes.  Happens over and over. 

People forget also, most of our oil comes from Canada.
"Ohio is bracing for an oil boom as companies, led by Chesapeake, gobble up leases covering millions of acres in the eastern half of the state. While no one's yet proven the commercial potential of the Utica formation, an oil-rich layer of rock that underlies this area, some believe it will yield crude on par with the largest shale reservoirs in the U.S. and spark a Rust Belt resurrection."



Pennsylvania is dealing with over 30,000 applications for new production wells.  The state wants 10%.  Once they reach an agreement thats gonna go too.  Plus WV. 


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: BAMAWV on March 05, 2011, 05:53:03 AM
You're forgetting that oil is a publicly traded future, the prices may spike, but will level back out.  Now, that could be pretty high, but 8 bucks is pushing it.   History repeats itself, if there is an oil crisis, the prices jump, drop, then stabilize at a higher level.

^ The same speculators that drive the price up, also drive it down.

That was my point, it can only go so high til they lose money and it becomes a bear market and stablizes.  Happens over and over. 

People forget also, most of our oil comes from Canada.

I understand, and that's a good point.  But the global market (gluttony) for oil has increased with the industrialization of China and improved economy of other developing countries.  We're still the top hog, of course.

Drilling and production technologies have brought down production costs and increased productivity immensely.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: cbbama99 on March 05, 2011, 02:20:33 PM
I fear a major storm on the horizon, and you all probably should too.

It doesn't matter if we don't get oil from Libya, because they contribute to the world's oil supply (around 2% I believe).  As such, if they suffer disruptions, everyone suffers.

Another problem is that the United States has no way to provide the amount of oil that we use on a daily basis.  Even if the infrastructure was already in place, I don't know that we could produce the required barrels of oil per day to satisfy our current demand.

The next domino I'm afraid of is Saudi Arabia.  Small elite ruling class, large lower class, high unemployment, rising food costs....sound familiar?  If Saudi Arabia were to descend into what has befallen Egypt, Somalia, Yemen, Bahrain, Libya, etc., then forget about $3 or $4 or even $5 gas.  Those of you that were around in the '70s will remember what it could be like.  Only this go-round, expect to wait in a gas line for hours for the privilege of paying $8 for a gallon of gas.

If fuel prices continue to rise, then food prices will rise as well due to the increased transportation costs.  Fuel prices go up, food prices go up, and then we'll have government budgets that are dependent on sales taxes and property tax revenues face massive shortfalls.  Then the federal government is affected, and, say, they curb welfare benefits.  Once enough dominos fall, we could be facing our own riots in the very near future.

It may seem crazy, but the pieces are in place for a global meltdown of epic proportions.

But on the bright side, I finally got that piece of popcorn wedged in between my back teeth out a little while ago.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: LegalAcidity on March 06, 2011, 10:36:31 PM
Yes, most of our oil does come from Canada, I believe.  But, the global oil market sets the price.  So, if 10% of the supply dried up due to war, civil strife, etc., then we'll see the result of that unless our oil comes from a different, closed-off system from the global market.

One good thing relative to our demand is about the only thing the government ever did in mandating MPG levels for automakers.  Not a huge factor, but probably more than "drop in a bucket" level.

The problem with our society today is that we are, more than ever, a "just in time" or JIT economy.  Your local drugstore doesn't stock weeks of medicine; they stock days, and if the truck doesn't show up, they run out.  Same for grocery stores.  Most of the vegetables and produce you buy don't come from a farm less than 50 miles away like it was 50 years ago.  Now, they come from the farthest reaches of the globe.  Even what was to be a temporary, albeit high "spike" in the price of oil could have crippling effects for our country.  Gas shoots up to $6 or $8 a gallon, which would likely have an exponential effect on the price of food due to the layers of transportation being stacked on top of each other (from farm to warehouse to store, for example).  You want to pay $20 per pound of ground beef?  $5 for an ear of corn?

Some in our society could afford it, at first.  But what about the rest that couldn't?  And what about the welfare state that depends on their EBT and WIC cards for food?  How far is that money going to go when bread is $5 a loaf?

High food prices + unemployment + dissatisfaction with government = riots.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 07, 2011, 08:24:39 AM
Who gives these speculators the power to raise these prices? It seems to me the govt. should have control and keep the prices lower or am I wrong in assuming that Govt. control of oil would be wrong? RTR!


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: LegalAcidity on March 07, 2011, 02:48:11 PM
Who gives these speculators the power to raise these prices? It seems to me the govt. should have control and keep the prices lower or am I wrong in assuming that Govt. control of oil would be wrong? RTR!

It's a publicly-traded commodity.  The market sets the prices.


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 08, 2011, 12:32:02 PM
Who gives these speculators the power to raise these prices? It seems to me the govt. should have control and keep the prices lower or am I wrong in assuming that Govt. control of oil would be wrong? RTR!

It's a publicly-traded commodity.  The market sets the prices.

Thank you so much LegalAcidity. I certainly didn't know that so I have learn some valuable information now. RTR!


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: BAMAWV on March 30, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
As in all things, Obama pretends to know more about the oil business than people that do it for a living. He couldn't get one drop of gas to market if his life depended on it.
 


Title: Re: Laughable to Some, Stocks Plunge as Gas Prices Jump Again: Up 17 Cents Overnight
Post by: ricky023 on March 30, 2011, 09:04:46 PM
All he can do is work on raising the price. If you go to Libya to fight why not get cheaper gas from them? RTR!