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Title: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: Chechem on June 27, 2012, 06:38:45 AM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/26/winners-losers-post-playoff-edition/

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And, yes, hours after the official announcement, it still feels good — perhaps even drop-dead sexy — to use the words “playoff” and “major college football” in the same sentence without it veering toward an Onion-worthy post.

Of course, there are still issues that need hashed out.  Yes, even this four-team baby step is being met with scorn by the more-more-more crowd failing to realize that, even in its infancy, this just-birthed format is already infinitesimally better than what the BcS has wrought over the past decade-plus.



Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: TN Tider on June 27, 2012, 07:58:36 AM
"Yes, even this four-team baby step is being met with scorn by the more-more-more crowd failing to realize that, even in its infancy, this just-birthed format is already infinitesimally better than what the BcS has wrought over the past decade-plus"

Really?  Who writes that?  Does he not know the definitions of words?  Is he just trying to sound smart, but in the process revealing ignorance?


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: Chechem on June 27, 2012, 08:04:04 AM
"Yes, even this four-team baby step is being met with scorn by the more-more-more crowd failing to realize that, even in its infancy, this just-birthed format is already infinitesimally better than what the BcS has wrought over the past decade-plus"

Really?  Who writes that?  Does he not know the definitions of words?  Is he just trying to sound smart, but in the process reveal ignorance?

Hello, TNT.
I think most SEC fans were happy with the BCS system, especially for the past 6 years.  But after the uproar this year over Alabama being allowed to play for the BCSNC (and winning) without being a conference champ, I fear our chances of getting a team into the BCSNC were diminished.  There was pressure from across the country to stop the streak at 6 years.  Point is: the new system will give us a fair chance at getting a team into the NC game every year!


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: crtuneman on June 27, 2012, 08:12:32 AM
It makes me laugh so hard to see the whiners from the Big 10 screaming about the unfair SEC bias. Their tears of broken dreams taste so sweet. I love the one who said the SEC is not the best conference and stats prove it. Let's see; Florida curb-stomped Oklahoma and OSU, LSU curb-stomped OSU, Bama curb-stomped Texas, and last year Bama curb-stomped LSU. The closest anyone came to beating an SEC team is when Oregon barely lost to the booger eaters. Jealousy is very unbecoming, Big10, Pac12, and ACC. Win or go home. Roll Tide!


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: crtuneman on June 27, 2012, 08:13:31 AM
"Yes, even this four-team baby step is being met with scorn by the more-more-more crowd failing to realize that, even in its infancy, this just-birthed format is already infinitesimally better than what the BcS has wrought over the past decade-plus"

Really?  Who writes that?  Does he not know the definitions of words?  Is he just trying to sound smart, but in the process revealing ignorance?

Ha Ha. I missed that. I think he meant infinitely better. LOL


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: BAMAWV on June 27, 2012, 11:40:35 AM
Lets use bullet points:

* We have no idea how or who in selecting 4 teams. We are kinda sure 1 SEC team will get in each year. We can only hope THEY pick the best one out of the 2,- or maybe 3.

* Journalist Dan Kaplan was on the national news this AM saying how we'll finally have a REAL national champion. Everyone agreed with him. Then they started talking about using the billion this plan would generate (BS) to pay players.

* The slippery slope danger zone. Watch the tweaking because now these Anti-SECites will not be satisfied if we win in 2014. The 8 playoff team people are already screaming blooddy murder.

* Enjoy the super-conferences. The regionality (word?) of college ball will soon be gone.

Football as we know it will be gone in the next few years and just remember who sat there and took it like a little girl.


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: ricky023 on June 27, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
I think the winners are all that matters. The losers picked their own position. So you have to live with it. Change was coming and you didn't have the resolve to get in on the winning side, so be it. I think this was a great job, hard work and long hours. RTR!


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: BAMAWV on June 27, 2012, 12:25:02 PM
I think the winners are all that matters. The losers picked their own position. So you have to live with it. Change was coming and you didn't have the resolve to get in on the winning side, so be it. I think this was a great job, hard work and long hours. RTR!
Hey Preacher. We are having a party Friday night (7pm) in the BIG FISH thread in Ferguson. It WOULD NOT BE ANY PARTY WITHOUT YOU.  They'll be plenty of cold E-drinks and I promise you won't be the only one not drinking alcohol (LOL). So please come to our party! RTR


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: Catch Prothro on June 27, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
"Yes, even this four-team baby step is being met with scorn by the more-more-more crowd failing to realize that, even in its infancy, this just-birthed format is already infinitesimally better than what the BcS has wrought over the past decade-plus"

Really?  Who writes that?  Does he not know the definitions of words?  Is he just trying to sound smart, but in the process revealing ignorance?
:lol:


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: ricky023 on June 27, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
 ;D, if I can I will. I won't say yes cause I don't want to break my word.  :-X :lol:, you never know who I might bring with me.  :clap: Thanks for the invite.  RTR!


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: TN Tider on June 27, 2012, 04:55:05 PM
"Yes, even this four-team baby step is being met with scorn by the more-more-more crowd failing to realize that, even in its infancy, this just-birthed format is already infinitesimally better than what the BcS has wrought over the past decade-plus"

Really?  Who writes that?  Does he not know the definitions of words?  Is he just trying to sound smart, but in the process reveal ignorance?

Hello, TNT.
I think most SEC fans were happy with the BCS system, especially for the past 6 years.  But after the uproar this year over Alabama being allowed to play for the BCSNC (and winning) without being a conference champ, I fear our chances of getting a team into the BCSNC were diminished.  There was pressure from across the country to stop the streak at 6 years.  Point is: the new system will give us a fair chance at getting a team into the NC game every year!
I agree with you 100%.  Because of the situation primarily 6 wks before the game, it is doubtful that, given a similar circumstance, that Bama would play in the BCSNC again.  It seems to me though, that no one was talking the same after the game as they were the few weeks before the game. 


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: TN Tider on June 27, 2012, 04:58:36 PM
"Yes, even this four-team baby step is being met with scorn by the more-more-more crowd failing to realize that, even in its infancy, this just-birthed format is already infinitesimally better than what the BcS has wrought over the past decade-plus"

Really?  Who writes that?  Does he not know the definitions of words?  Is he just trying to sound smart, but in the process reveal ignorance?

Hello, TNT.
I think most SEC fans were happy with the BCS system, especially for the past 6 years.  But after the uproar this year over Alabama being allowed to play for the BCSNC (and winning) without being a conference champ, I fear our chances of getting a team into the BCSNC were diminished.  There was pressure from across the country to stop the streak at 6 years.  Point is: the new system will give us a fair chance at getting a team into the NC game every year!

Oh, and my original post was more about the incompetence of the original writer and not about the content, pimarily as it relates to his use of the word "infinitesimally."


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: Chechem on June 27, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
"Yes, even this four-team baby step is being met with scorn by the more-more-more crowd failing to realize that, even in its infancy, this just-birthed format is already infinitesimally better than what the BcS has wrought over the past decade-plus"

Really?  Who writes that?  Does he not know the definitions of words?  Is he just trying to sound smart, but in the process reveal ignorance?

Hello, TNT.
I think most SEC fans were happy with the BCS system, especially for the past 6 years.  But after the uproar this year over Alabama being allowed to play for the BCSNC (and winning) without being a conference champ, I fear our chances of getting a team into the BCSNC were diminished.  There was pressure from across the country to stop the streak at 6 years.  Point is: the new system will give us a fair chance at getting a team into the NC game every year!

Oh, and my original post was more about the incompetence of the original writer and not about the content, pimarily as it relates to his use of the word "infinitesimally."

Yes, oops. 
I started raving without acknowledging your editorial acomplishment.  E-cred to you again, sir.   #+


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: BAMAWV on June 27, 2012, 07:20:47 PM
Lets use bullet points:

* We have no idea how or who in selecting 4 teams. We are kinda sure 1 SEC team will get in each year. We can only hope THEY pick the best one out of the 2,- or maybe 3.

* Journalist Dan Kaplan was on the national news this AM saying how we'll finally have a REAL national champion. Everyone agreed with him. Then they started talking about using the billion this plan would generate (BS) to pay players.

* The slippery slope danger zone. Watch the tweaking because now these Anti-SECites will not be satisfied if we win in 2014. The 8 playoff team people are already screaming blooddy murder.

* Enjoy the super-conferences. The regionality (word?) of college ball will soon be gone.

Football as we know it will be gone in the next few years and just remember who sat there and took it like a little girl.
Scud missiles reducing college football to embers and you guys focus on an editing fail? Wow!


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: Chechem on June 27, 2012, 07:34:18 PM
Lets use bullet points:

* We have no idea how or who in selecting 4 teams. We are kinda sure 1 SEC team will get in each year. We can only hope THEY pick the best one out of the 2,- or maybe 3.

* Journalist Dan Kaplan was on the national news this AM saying how we'll finally have a REAL national champion. Everyone agreed with him. Then they started talking about using the billion this plan would generate (BS) to pay players.

* The slippery slope danger zone. Watch the tweaking because now these Anti-SECites will not be satisfied if we win in 2014. The 8 playoff team people are already screaming blooddy murder.

* Enjoy the super-conferences. The regionality (word?) of college ball will soon be gone.

Football as we know it will be gone in the next few years and just remember who sat there and took it like a little girl.
Scud missiles reducing college football to embers and you guys focus on an editing fail? Wow!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Scud_downed_by_Patriot_missiles.JPEG/300px-Scud_downed_by_Patriot_missiles.JPEG)
"Yep, Bryant-Denny used to be right here."

Half full.  LOL


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: TN Tider on June 27, 2012, 09:29:14 PM
Yeah I guess we all tick in different ways. For instance, since we don't know how this thing will turn out, I choose to think it will be for the better, where as some might see the sky falling. On the other hand, occasionally "professional" writers might really bother me with crazy words, where as some might be unbothered. Either way, roll tide!


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: Jamos on June 27, 2012, 09:30:59 PM
Lets use bullet points:

* We have no idea how or who in selecting 4 teams. We are kinda sure 1 SEC team will get in each year. We can only hope THEY pick the best one out of the 2,- or maybe 3.

* Journalist Dan Kaplan was on the national news this AM saying how we'll finally have a REAL national champion. Everyone agreed with him. Then they started talking about using the billion this plan would generate (BS) to pay players.

* The slippery slope danger zone. Watch the tweaking because now these Anti-SECites will not be satisfied if we win in 2014. The 8 playoff team people are already screaming blooddy murder.

* Enjoy the super-conferences. The regionality (word?) of college ball will soon be gone.

Football as we know it will be gone in the next few years and just remember who sat there and took it like a little girl.

I agree with you WV. I can see some big changes ahead for the fans and it may not be so pleasant. These liberal ideas could turn college football into a totally different game. :(


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: ALTideUp on June 28, 2012, 08:15:35 AM
I have been doing a lot of reading and thinking about this new system and I am not optimistic. My concerns rest with the selection committee and how it will function. Although the details are yet to be settled, it is clear that it will be a smallish number of humans who will make decisions "a posteriori", or after the fact. The current system makes at least some of it's decisions "a priori", before the fact. That is, the computers are programmed with some algorithm, the games are played, and the ranks are spit out in December. The polls are an a posteriori component of the current system but involve a large and wide pool of voters. Although they may have their own agendas, they are all different agendas and what emerges from the ooze is probably a pretty good reflection of "the truth".

To get to the point, my biggest concern is that the committee system can make huge impacts by bumping teams up or down a notch. Such small variances are common in the polls that we already employ and no one bats an eye when the coaches have it Stanford-Oregon and the media have it Oregon-Stanford. But when a selection committee does it's work it can decide that a big east team is 4 over an SEC team that is 5 just so there won't be two SEC teams. They can look at top four that includes a number 2 SEC team and a number 4 SEC team and bump the number two team to number 1, eliminating the possibility of an all SEC NCG. Since these important and politically motivated influences can be achieved by moving teams both up and down, and only a single position, there will be no way prove that the ratings are being influenced by illegitimate criteria. Even with the inevitable comparisons points of the polls and computers (which are so popular they will not go away just because they are no longer being used to set the top four) the small variances that can cause the SEC trouble won't look blatantly biased.

Infinitesimal tampering can lead to infinitely large impacts.  ;)


Title: Re: "Winners & losers: post-playoff edition" Guess who wins!
Post by: TN Tider on June 29, 2012, 09:03:45 AM
I have been doing a lot of reading and thinking about this new system and I am not optimistic. My concerns rest with the selection committee and how it will function. Although the details are yet to be settled, it is clear that it will be a smallish number of humans who will make decisions "a posteriori", or after the fact. The current system makes at least some of it's decisions "a priori", before the fact. That is, the computers are programmed with some algorithm, the games are played, and the ranks are spit out in December. The polls are an a posteriori component of the current system but involve a large and wide pool of voters. Although they may have their own agendas, they are all different agendas and what emerges from the ooze is probably a pretty good reflection of "the truth".

To get to the point, my biggest concern is that the committee system can make huge impacts by bumping teams up or down a notch. Such small variances are common in the polls that we already employ and no one bats an eye when the coaches have it Stanford-Oregon and the media have it Oregon-Stanford. But when a selection committee does it's work it can decide that a big east team is 4 over an SEC team that is 5 just so there won't be two SEC teams. They can look at top four that includes a number 2 SEC team and a number 4 SEC team and bump the number two team to number 1, eliminating the possibility of an all SEC NCG. Since these important and politically motivated influences can be achieved by moving teams both up and down, and only a single position, there will be no way prove that the ratings are being influenced by illegitimate criteria. Even with the inevitable comparisons points of the polls and computers (which are so popular they will not go away just because they are no longer being used to set the top four) the small variances that can cause the SEC trouble won't look blatantly biased.

Infinitesimal tampering can lead to infinitely large impacts.   ;)

Good post...and even better usage of the language!