*** Official Super Conference Thread ***

[SUPERCOACH]

What are y'alls thoughts on A&M.
First thought is they are about the same as ARKY, sometimes good sometimes really bad. Never great.

That sounds about right to me.  As pmull says, their potential value comes from the fact that they happen to be in Texas.  But an even bigger potential may be the fact that their leaving would probably doom what is left of the Big 12, which means that Oklahoma might come with them.  This could lead to either a 14 or 16 team SEC super conference, which would be really cool in my opinion.  Especially a 16 team conference with a 4 team playoff.

Of course the other Big 12 schools would probably go some where too.  We could end up with a 16 team Big 10 or a Pac 16 to go with the 16 team SEC.  All pretty cool in my opinion.

[pmull]

SC, I have mixed emotions about a 16 team conference. It sounds good but now would you schedule? What are you thoughts on a regular season schedule for a 16 team conference?

BTW, this is not a test. I'm just having trouble figuring it out. 

[Marshal Dillon]

The problem I see is the SEC picks up tough teams like Oklahoma & Texas A&M but the PAC-10 & Big Ten will pick up weinee teams like Missouri, Kansas, Iowa St., Kansas State, etc.. This makes winning the SEC even harder while the Big Ten and PAC 10 still are mosly cupcakes.


 

[Old Tider]

From the comments:

Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'!
Good luck making the SEC championship game considering you've only made the Big XII title game once. You and Arkansas can play in the toilet bowl.

I hope they bring Choklahoma with them.  I would love to see the SEC expand to 14 teams.  16 would be even more awesome, then we could have our own 4 team tournament in December.  If we brought in 2 teams from the east, then we wouldn't have to split up the existing divisions.  Just add OU and aTm to the west, and add Clemson and ?? to the east.  Who would the other team be?  FSU maybe?  That would be awesome.

Well, more teams means watering down the power of the SEC in my view. We took Arkansas and they became the first SEC team beaten in a bowl by Ohio State after 10 or so tries.

[SUPERCOACH]

The problem I see is the SEC picks up tough teams like Oklahoma & Texas A&M but the PAC-10 & Big Ten will pick up weinee teams like Missouri, Kansas, Iowa St., Kansas State, etc.. This makes winning the SEC even harder while the Big Ten and PAC 10 still are mosly cupcakes.


 

I honestly see this as an advantage.  The stronger we can make the SEC relative to the other conferences, the better.  If you win the SEC it will mean even more than it does now.  You should run all over what ever other "champion" you meet in the bowl game.  I also don't think this would force the SEC champ out of the BCS NCG if they have some losses.  If LSU can play in the 12 team conference and get in with 2 losses, you could probably get in with 3 or 4 losses in a 16 team conference.

There could be a couple of years of adjustment where the SEC champ gets snubbed if they have a couple of losses, but eventually after a few bowl seasons of SEC dominance I think people will realize that only 2 or 3 losses in the SEC is a lot stronger record than an undefeated season in one of the other conferences.

On the other hand, if USC runs all over the PAC-16 and is undefeated, and then Nebraska or somebody runs all over the Big-16 and is undefeated, the SEC champ could get snubbed.  We would definitely need to go to a 4 team BCS Championship tournament in order to prevent this.  Maybe you have the PAC-16, Big 16, and new SEC get automatic bids for their champ, then fill the 4th slot with an at large team.

Also, as long as the other conferences are fairly balanced, they will have just as hard of a time making through their season unscathed too.  And then our champ will breeze through the BCS tournament.

It is a lot to think about, and there are a lot of details to make something like this work.  But it is a fun thought experiment in my opinion, especially while we are waiting for kickoff.

[SUPERCOACH]

From the comments:

Don't let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'!
Good luck making the SEC championship game considering you've only made the Big XII title game once. You and Arkansas can play in the toilet bowl.

I hope they bring Choklahoma with them.  I would love to see the SEC expand to 14 teams.  16 would be even more awesome, then we could have our own 4 team tournament in December.  If we brought in 2 teams from the east, then we wouldn't have to split up the existing divisions.  Just add OU and aTm to the west, and add Clemson and ?? to the east.  Who would the other team be?  FSU maybe?  That would be awesome.

Well, more teams means watering down the power of the SEC in my view. We took Arkansas and they became the first SEC team beaten in a bowl by Ohio State after 10 or so tries.

I respectfully disagree.  We took Arkansas and USCe in the last expansion.  I would say that both of those teams are probably middle of the pack teams on average, and probably didn't water down the conference.  They have both made it to the championship game.  Contrast those guys to Vanderbilt and Kentucky, for example.

aTm would probably be another middle of the pack team on average.  Oklahoma would probably be in the mix to win their division a lot of years.  Assuming the other two teams are Clemson and FSU, then I think the east would be stronger too.  I think both of those programs are going to be pretty strong in a few years with Dabo and Jimbo at the helm.  I started taking Clemson seriously this past recruiting season.

[SUPERCOACH]

SC, I have mixed emotions about a 16 team conference. It sounds good but now would you schedule? What are you thoughts on a regular season schedule for a 16 team conference?

BTW, this is not a test. I'm just having trouble figuring it out. 

The schedule would definitely be interesting.  What if we divided them up into 4 divisions?  Then you would only have 3 teams that you have to play every year in your division.  That leaves up to 9 other games that you can use for traditional rivals that you play every year and to rotate through the other teams.  Personally I wouldn't mind if we dropped one of the out of conference games (Ga State or Kent State for example).  Maybe we schedule 1 cupcake and 1 strong out of conference opponent at the beginning of the season, then play 10 conference games.  Maybe we could have contracts in place with one of the other 2 Super Conferences (PAC-16 or Big-16) so that we play each other for that out of conference game.  The Big-16 would probably make the most sense geographically.  So maybe every one of the 16 SEC teams plays one of the teams from the Big 16 in the first or second week of the season.  Of course you would rotate through all of the teams in the other conference, playing each of the teams once every 16 years.  That would be really cool in my opinion.  Of course it adds a little bit of luck to the scheduling... (one year you might get Nebraska, and the next year you might get Indiana).  Of course the Big 16 would have to agree to play 10 conference games too so they would only have one slot open for an early season cupcake.  Imagine the SEC goes 12-4 or 13-3 in those early season games.  The SEC champ would almost certainly get the nod in the BCS pecking order.

OR... maybe instead of rotating through all 16 of the other teams from the Big 16, we determine that game based on how the teams finished the previous year.  All you would have to do is keep the date open, say the second week of the season always, and then you can fill in the match ups in February after all the bowl games.  This would be awesome since it would pit SEC #1 against Big 16 #1 and SEC #16 against Big-16 #16.  This should give you a true measurement of the strengths of each conference.

Hmmm... What if we played these conference challenge games AFTER the conference championship games and use the results of the current season to match up the teams?  Now that would be exciting!  This would pit SEC #1 against Big 16 #1 for what would be in effect a 1st round playoff game.  You wouldn't need the NCAA to agree to a playoff in this case, since the winner of that game would almost ALWAYS go to the BCS NCG.

Now, if we could come up with another 16 team super conference that could do the same thing with the PAC 16, then that would be really cool.  So then we could have the winner of the SEC/Big-16 game play the winner of the PAC-16/XXX16 game, actually using the same seeding system for all 32 SEC/Big-16 teams to match up with there counterparts from out west.

Of course this will never happen, but it seems like it would be very interesting to me.  It is a lot of fun to think about.

[ricky023]

All great points but the one thing I can see is how the computer will look at this. Every team in the 16 team conference should be rated in the top 20 almmost. Thos kind of numbers being imputed to a computer would almost be destine to the NCG. How many Fla. Atlantice or Kent States could you have on your schedule? RTR!

[SUPERCOACH]

Hmmm... another wrinkle.  Rotate through the other conferences for the out of conference challenge.  So the first year we have an SEC/Big-16 challenge, then the next year we have SEC/PAC-16, then finally SEC/XXX16.  This would be very cool and would include the 64 teams that are willing to accept the challenge and play in one of these super conferences.  The independents, like Notre Dame and soon to be Texas, will have to re-think their strategy or be left out in the cold.

[SUPERCOACH]

All great points but the one thing I can see is how the computer will look at this. Every team in the 16 team conference should be rated in the top 20 almmost. Thos kind of numbers being imputed to a computer would almost be destine to the NCG. How many Fla. Atlantice or Kent States could you have on your schedule? RTR!

Only 1, or maybe 0.  Which is a good thing in my opinion if the other conferences have to do it too.

[pmull]

All great points but the one thing I can see is how the computer will look at this. Every team in the 16 team conference should be rated in the top 20 almmost. Thos kind of numbers being imputed to a computer would almost be destine to the NCG. How many Fla. Atlantice or Kent States could you have on your schedule? RTR!

Only 1, or maybe 0.  Which is a good thing in my opinion if the other conferences have to do it too.

Some teams will struggle without 8 home games.

[SUPERCOACH]

All great points but the one thing I can see is how the computer will look at this. Every team in the 16 team conference should be rated in the top 20 almmost. Thos kind of numbers being imputed to a computer would almost be destine to the NCG. How many Fla. Atlantice or Kent States could you have on your schedule? RTR!

Only 1, or maybe 0.  Which is a good thing in my opinion if the other conferences have to do it too.

Some teams will struggle without 8 home games.

Good point.  Perhaps the additional revenue coming into the larger conference could somehow go to offset that.  The TV contracts would get bigger for example, and maybe the Bowl money too.  Of course the increase would have to be large enough to split it with the 4 new teams and still be a net + for the original 12.

[SUPERCOACH]

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[BAMAWV]

Right about the time the SEC has the college football world begging for mercy and green with envy, someone wants to change the formula???

 

[SUPERCOACH]

Right about the time the SEC has the college football world begging for mercy and green with envy, someone wants to change the formula???

 

I'm fine with leaving things exactly like they are right now.  But the other conferences are scrambling to catch up and even pass us.  If we stand still it makes it easier for them.  I would hate for some other conference to be the first super conference.  We were the first with 12 teams and a championship game.  I think we should be the first with 16 teams.  JMHO.

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