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Title: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on August 01, 2011, 07:12:28 PM
Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/08/alabama_dl_jesse_williams_the.html)

According to a profile in the Australian newspaper the Daily Telegraph, Jesse Williams' most recent tattoo, on his right hand, reads "I stopped checking for the monster under the bed when I realised the monster is me."


Alabama fans hope Williams -- originally from Brisbane, Australia -- plays like a monster this fall, when the 6-foot 4-inch, 320-pound junior college transfer suits up for the Crimson Tide.

 

I hope he is good and helps the center or ends of that 3-4 defense. Last season #58 Nick Gentry - and serveral others played good at nose tackle. Our defensive lineman did not dominate the opposing interior offensive linemen when pass rush was needed.

I know the offensive line will dominate this year. Can our defensive line dominate"?

 In the bowl game Bama's defensive line crashed MSU's QB Cousins.

I thought they did great. Did they do this because of Barron's injury and protect last years secondary? All out blitz? Will we see more of this?

To win another title. Bama defensive lineman will have to dominate.

 8)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 01, 2011, 08:03:02 PM
I hear he is so tough he told coach ...
I don't want no Velcro strap thing I'll just tattoo  the plays on my left arm   :o

(http://img1.UploadScreenshot.com/images/main/8/21220455829.png) (http://www.UploadScreenshot.com/image/409961/601638)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 01, 2011, 08:24:02 PM
Well, we've been jockeying around for a nickname for him since TS. Looks like "Monster from Down Under" fits the ticket.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 01, 2011, 08:29:24 PM
his dad didn't like a couple of the names we thought up for him  ;)
 


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 01, 2011, 08:37:06 PM
his dad didn't like a couple of the names we thought up for him  ;)
 

I know. I came up with "Donk" from "Crocodile Dundee" & Jesse's dad logged on & said it was an unflattering term in Australia. I'm good with "Monster from down under".


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 01, 2011, 08:48:41 PM
yep , that was the one I remember the most , that was you ?  hilarious !

we should get Jessie dad to come on here a chat with us some time
I talked to Gmac's dad on the www a couple of days ago , he is pretty cool too .
just can't bad mouth the sons , unless they do it first , lol !


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 01, 2011, 09:01:10 PM
yep , that was the one I remember the most , that was you ?  hilarious !

we should get Jessie dad to come on here a chat with us some time
I talked to Gmac's dad on the www a couple of days ago , he is pretty cool too .
just can't bad mouth the sons , unless they do it first , lol !

Awesome! I agree with you. I wasn't trying to use Donk in a bad way. He was a loveable tough guy in "CD" and I thought it flatteringly fitting. Actually, Jesse's dad said he didn't think Jesse would like it, not that he had a problem with it himself.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 01, 2011, 09:08:12 PM
yeah , that was defiantly one of the better TS days there , good stuff for sure  8)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 01, 2011, 09:10:45 PM
That's really cool about GMac's dad. How does he feel about Greg being with the Jets?


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 01, 2011, 09:18:16 PM
said he is very proud of Greg and that Greg is living out his lifelong dream
I told him they did a great job raising him and that The Capstone was a
better place since he was there.. he thanked me . that was about it
haven't seen him online in a few days now though ... he is probably busy , lol ! 


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 01, 2011, 09:21:21 PM
+100 to any poster who gets a player's dad to sign up and post here.  And +100 to the dad.  Now, if I can only figure out how to confirm that they are not faking it...   :think:


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 01, 2011, 09:32:17 PM
I can understand that Coach ... I know it was Greg's dad and his sister Blair too
but maybe getting him to post here or any message board would be a feat in itself
that would be awesome if it could happen though ...

Jessie's dad probably would if we knew how to find him again 

say if they were to ? there would be a mod present to zap any bull crap starters ?   ;D


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 01, 2011, 09:35:33 PM
I can understand that Coach ... I know it was Greg's dad and his sister Blair too
but maybe getting him to post here or any message board would be a feat in itself
that would be awesome if it could happen though ...

Jessie's dad probably would if we knew how to find him again 

say if they were to ? there would be a mod present to zap any bull crap starters ?   ;D


I wish I could remember Jesse's dad's username, but I'm retarded. If it happened more than 5 minutes ago, I'm out of luck.  :-\


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 01, 2011, 09:40:58 PM
I bet he would remember you 2 ...
I talked to him a few times too but I think I used another user name
I'm as bad as you are .. got the CRS as well ...


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 01, 2011, 09:45:11 PM
I bet he would remember you 2 ...
I talked to him a few times too but I think I used another user name
I'm as bad as you are .. got the CRS as well ...

Too bad we can't dig back through the TS archives.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 01, 2011, 10:10:12 PM
yeah ... that haz the suck bad   >:( >:(


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: Kuiyam on August 02, 2011, 08:15:09 PM
yep , that was the one I remember the most , that was you ?  hilarious !

we should get Jessie dad to come on here a chat with us some time
I talked to Gmac's dad on the www a couple of days ago , he is pretty cool too .
just can't bad mouth the sons , unless they do it first , lol !

Hey you guys still working on a nickname?


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
yep , that was the one I remember the most , that was you ?  hilarious !

we should get Jessie dad to come on here a chat with us some time
I talked to Gmac's dad on the www a couple of days ago , he is pretty cool too .
just can't bad mouth the sons , unless they do it first , lol !

Hey you guys still working on a nickname?

The last time we discussed it was before spring practice. The consensus was to nickname him after spring practice so it would be fitting to his performance, but because he wasn't 100%, he didn't play in the A day game. So yeah, I guess we are.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: Kuiyam on August 02, 2011, 08:28:11 PM
The last time we discussed it was before spring practice. The consensus was to nickname him after spring practice so it would be fitting to his performance, but because he wasn't 100%, he didn't play in the A day game. So yeah, I guess we are.

Well i dont mind the Monster from Downunder,Jesse should be cool with it,lol.

We will be there for the first game, cant wait!


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 08:30:11 PM

The last time we discussed it was before spring practice. The consensus was to nickname him after spring practice so it would be fitting to his performance, but because he wasn't 100%, he didn't play in the A day game. So yeah, I guess we are.

Well i dont mind the Monster from Downunder,Jesse should be cool with it,lol.

We will be there for the first game, cant wait!
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You're his dad. I remember now. Welcome aboard!! Have an e-cred.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 08:41:14 PM
Kuiyam, is he ready to play? I can't wait to see him line up. I hope he is healthy.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: Kuiyam on August 02, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
Kuiyam, is he ready to play? I can't wait to see him line up. I hope he is healthy.

Oh yeah, he is ready, and he is strong. My family and i cant wait to be a part of the game day fun.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 08:49:51 PM
wow !  we were talking about this last night  :o

welcome Kuiyam , good to hear from you again !   8)
can't wait to see Jessie play and we are very glad he is at the Capstone !  

ROLL TIDE !  

that commute to come to a game must be a killer  :D


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Kuiyam, is he ready to play? I can't wait to see him line up. I hope he is healthy.

Oh yeah, he is ready, and he is strong. My family and i cant wait to be a part of the game day fun.

Awesome! So he's 100%? The Tide Nation has been waiting a long time to see him play. Everyone thinks he is going to be the real deal.  :dance:


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 08:53:50 PM
YES !  that is awesome news ... please come on football season ! 


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 08:55:57 PM
+100 to any poster who gets a player's dad to sign up and post here.  And +100 to the dad.  Now, if I can only figure out how to confirm that they are not faking it...   :think:

+100 to Kuiyam.  Welcome to the forum.  How did you find us?

#+


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 08:56:44 PM
yo 2Stater ... this is gonna be a good year , I have a feeling ! 

it's like Cody is back or something  8)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 08:58:20 PM


+100 to Kuiyam.  Welcome to the forum.  How did you find us?

#+

don't worry about us Coach , we're just glad he made it !    8)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 08:59:44 PM
yo 2Stater ... this is gonna be a good year , I have a feeling ! 

it's like Cody is back or something  8)

This made my day. 31 days to go, X. Can't wait.  #+


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 09:01:19 PM
BTW, the Williams guys unanimously like "Monster from down under". Sounds like a winner to me. Let's make it stick.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: Kuiyam on August 02, 2011, 09:01:38 PM
+100 to Kuiyam.  Welcome to the forum.  How did you find us?

#+
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+100? i found this because i got an alert from Google about what you guys have been talking about Jesse's nickname.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 09:02:03 PM
BTW, the Williams guys unanimously like "Monster from down under". Sounds like a winner to me. Let's make it stick.

It shall be our mission!


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 09:02:38 PM
if Jessie likes it it works for me , besides he could probably kill all of us with one swat if he didn't 


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 09:05:08 PM
WOW ... apparently  mine and 2's incoherent  rambling pays off some times   8)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 09:07:02 PM
+100 to Kuiyam.  Welcome to the forum.  How did you find us?

#+

+100? i found this because i got an alert from Google about what you guys have been talking about Jesse's nickname.

Cool!  The +100 refers to the e-cred system we have here.  I gave you 100 e-creds.  Anybody can give an e-cred by hitting the Applause link under your name, but you can only give 1 per hour.  There is also a Boo link, but I don't think anybody has ever had to use it.  Everyone behaves themselves really well around here.  We have tried to focus on keeping the site friendly and civil so we don't have to deal with all of the constant bickering that goes on at most places.  So far it has worked really well.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: Kuiyam on August 02, 2011, 09:07:22 PM
WOW ... apparently  mine and 2's incoherent  rambling pays off some times   8)

I have to go now, nice talking to you guys, hopefully we can catch up at the game, take care.

ROLL TIDE!


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Kuiyam ... think Jessie could do this at the Iron Bowl this year
only with a aubarns players head in the helmet ?


(http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/12/Jesse-Williams_fs.jpg)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 09:09:07 PM
WOW ... apparently  mine and 2's incoherent  rambling pays off some times   8)

I have to go now, nice talking to you guys, hopefully we can catch up at the game, take care.

ROLL TIDE!

yes Sir ... you got it ! ... ROLL TIDE !!!!


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 09:11:32 PM
WOW ... apparently  mine and 2's incoherent  rambling pays off some times   8)

I have to go now, nice talking to you guys, hopefully we can catch up at the game, take care.

ROLL TIDE!

Don't be a stranger here. We look forward to talking with you again.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 09:12:18 PM
WOW ... apparently  mine and 2's incoherent  rambling pays off some times   8)

X, who knew?


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: ricky023 on August 02, 2011, 09:13:50 PM
OK good job. The Monster From Down Under! Sounds great with my vote! RTR!


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 09:14:10 PM
I sure didn't 2 ... but I'm glad he found us
after the tidesports crash I thought it was impossible

good work sir ! 


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 09:16:34 PM
hey guys ... Coach ... does this mean we are all like message forum rock stars ?    ;D


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 09:17:13 PM
I sure didn't 2 ... but I'm glad he found us
after the tidesports crash I thought it was impossible

good work sir ! 

You too!


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on August 02, 2011, 09:35:34 PM
Eli Gold will have some good info about Jesse Williams. Maybe a nick name or two.

 8)



Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 09:39:29 PM
Anybody know someone high up in the Bama PR dept. that can run "Monster from down Under" to the top of the flag pole?


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 09:40:09 PM
Eli Gold will have some good info about Jesse Williams. Maybe a nick name or two.

 8)


hey guys ... Coach ... does this mean we are all like message forum rock stars ?    ;D

I think it does!  Do you guys want to split the 100 since your conversation is what showed up in the google search?

Now I'm thinking I should have given him more than 100.  He should at least be in the most E-cred list.  What say ye?


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 09:42:10 PM
thanks ... what ever cranks your tractor Coach ... defiantly give  Kuiyam all he can stand  8)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 09:43:11 PM
Anybody know someone high up in the Bama PR dept. that can run "Monster from down Under" to the top of the flag pole?

We don't need the PR department, we just need to use the power of the web to make this thread go viral within the Bama fan base.  I put a couple of Kuiyam's post on the front page.  After a few links, a tweet here or there, I think people will get the word out.

We need to make this happen.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 09:45:02 PM
thanks ... what ever cranks your tractor Coach ... defiantly give  Kuiyam all he can stand  8)

Maybe GMac's dad will show up next.  Hmmm.... Maybe I should spell his name out in case he is searching on google:  Greg McElroy.  :D


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
Anybody know someone high up in the Bama PR dept. that can run "Monster from down Under" to the top of the flag pole?

We don't need the PR department, we just need to use the power of the web to make this thread go viral within the Bama fan base.  I put a couple of Kuiyam's post on the front page.  After a few links, a tweet here or there, I think people will get the word out.

We need to make this happen.

Sounds great. Yeah, a split is good to me and make K top dog. Roll Tide!!!! When X gets GMac's dad, all 100 are his.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 09:47:33 PM
Anybody know someone high up in the Bama PR dept. that can run "Monster from down Under" to the top of the flag pole?

We don't need the PR department, we just need to use the power of the web to make this thread go viral within the Bama fan base.  I put a couple of Kuiyam's post on the front page.  After a few links, a tweet here or there, I think people will get the word out.

We need to make this happen.

Sounds great. Yeah, a split is good to me and make K top dog. Roll Tide!!!! When X gets GMacs dad, all 100 are his.

You mean crown him king, to the top of the list?


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 09:53:51 PM
Anybody know someone high up in the Bama PR dept. that can run "Monster from down Under" to the top of the flag pole?

We don't need the PR department, we just need to use the power of the web to make this thread go viral within the Bama fan base.  I put a couple of Kuiyam's post on the front page.  After a few links, a tweet here or there, I think people will get the word out.

We need to make this happen.

Sounds great. Yeah, a split is good to me and make K top dog. Roll Tide!!!! When X gets GMacs dad, all 100 are his.

You mean crown him king, to the top of the list?

That's good with me. I can't speak for the others.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 09:58:52 PM
it's your world Coach we're just living in it  ;D


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 10:05:12 PM
SC, I just checked out the "Home" page. Looks good.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 10:07:13 PM
Yep, I gave him 1000.  Maybe that should be standard for "real" insiders, once we have confirmed they are who they claim to be.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
Yep, I gave him 1000.  Maybe that should be standard for "real" insiders, once we have confirmed they are who they claim to be.

Cool! VIP members get big e-creds. I like it!


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 02, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
I gave CHC an e-cred for being the OP. X, SC what say you guys?


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 02, 2011, 10:27:38 PM
 #+


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 02, 2011, 10:56:37 PM
I gave CHC an e-cred for being the OP. X, SC what say you guys?

Good point.  +50 to CHC as well.  Also, this thread is headed to the Bryant Museum once we are done.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: #1Tidefan on August 03, 2011, 12:16:49 AM
 #+...Wow, Outstanding Thread! Kudos to all. 8)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: jtide on August 03, 2011, 01:01:07 PM
This was a cool thread.  I believe that must have been his dad, but how does everyone know for sure?


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 03, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
This was a cool thread.  I believe that must have been his dad, but how does everyone know for sure?

Ve have our vays.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_szMrFn4tHE8/SB-U3SVnm2I/AAAAAAAAAjE/YMr4YkyS3KE/s320/klemperer.jpg)


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: ricky023 on August 03, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
This was a cool thread.  I believe that must have been his dad, but how does everyone know for sure?

Ve have our vays.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_szMrFn4tHE8/SB-U3SVnm2I/AAAAAAAAAjE/YMr4YkyS3KE/s320/klemperer.jpg)

 8), I haven't seen Colonel Klink in a long time. That was a good one to bring up 2stater. My compliments. RTR!


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: 2Stater on August 03, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
I actually remembered his name from Tide Sprots. Plus his profile, which shows up on here, lists au (Australia, not Aubarn) as his registered email location.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 03, 2011, 02:13:48 PM
This was a cool thread.  I believe that must have been his dad, but how does everyone know for sure?

I was suspicious at first, so I investigated it before I sent in the welcome wagon.  I don't want to reveal any of his personal information, but there is absolutely no doubt that it is him.


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: jtide on August 03, 2011, 02:42:13 PM
I hope Williams can free up Hightower like Cody did Rolando.  With the linebackers that we have, a force like that demanding double teams on the line of scrimmage.........then the defense will definitely be scary.  Dang, I'm ready for some football! lol


Title: Re: Alabama DL Jesse Williams: tattooed 'monster' from Down Under
Post by: XBAMA on August 03, 2011, 03:29:21 PM
I actually remembered his name from Tide Sprots. Plus his profile, which shows up on here, lists au (Australia, not Aubarn) as his registered email location.

yeah that was good looking out 2    8)