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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2011, 05:19:17 AM »

It is hard to say what to do without really being in the coaching situation with them.  I, as I have said before, think they both are talented and capable of leading the team.
If I did employ the 2 qb system there would be some ground rules.
First, there will be playing time for both.  It may not be equal.  If a qb is hot I may stay with him longer than I plan.  I just can justify pulling a qb if he has completed 10 passes in a row.  
There are things that bother me.  First, team chemistry with some players aligning themselves with a certain qb.  This could cause a division in the team.  Example, I will make up.  One rec says why does the other qb get more pass plays called than you do.  
Also, which qb gets the start.  I think it should be based on two things.  Who has the best week of practice and who has the best grasp of the game plan for the week.  


Good points, HSC.  Assuming there are "ground rules", who sets them?  CNS?  And does CNS alone decide when to substitute during games?  That could be a sticky situation too.  I'd think CNS gets away from this 2-QB system (equal playing time) as soon as possible.  I'll bet we know by the end of the Penn State game.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 05:24:27 AM »

I think that is right.  I expect this to be settled before SEC play begins.  It is great right now as it motivates both guys to get better, so there is no need for it to be resolved until the games begin.  And the first game is more like a sparring round, so let them keep competing at least until after that game.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 01:26:02 PM »

It would be a plus if we had two strong centers so that the QB's/centers could be like a pitching battery in basball but, alas, we would not want to take Vlachos out.

It can work, like G. Rutledge and Todd, but more so when you are heavily into the running game --- which, by all means, I hope will be the case!

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2011, 01:26:47 PM »

It would be a plus if we had two strong centers so that the QB's/centers could be like a pitching battery in basball but, alas, we would not want to take Vlachos out.

It can work, like G. Rutledge and Todd, but more so when you are heavily into the running game --- which, by all means, I hope will be the case!

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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2011, 01:39:54 PM »

It would be a plus if we had two strong centers so that the QB's/centers could be like a pitching battery in basball but, alas, we would not want to take Vlachos out.

It can work, like G. Rutledge and Todd, but more so when you are heavily into the running game --- which, by all means, I hope will be the case!

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2011, 01:44:12 PM »

It would be a plus if we had two strong centers so that the QB's/centers could be like a pitching battery in basball but, alas, we would not want to take Vlachos out.

It can work, like G. Rutledge and Todd, but more so when you are heavily into the running game --- which, by all means, I hope will be the case!

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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2011, 03:21:58 PM »

I just wish A.J. would have came in at the end of the Auburn game and saved the day with a "Favre-like" performance.  But, he didn't, and I guess this is a good problem to have.  I really like both quarterbacks.  A.J. seems to have more Namath-like swagger, and Sims seems like a physical freak.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2011, 05:37:54 PM »

It is hard to say what to do without really being in the coaching situation with them.  I, as I have said before, think they both are talented and capable of leading the team.
If I did employ the 2 qb system there would be some ground rules.
First, there will be playing time for both.  It may not be equal.  If a qb is hot I may stay with him longer than I plan.  I just can justify pulling a qb if he has completed 10 passes in a row.  
There are things that bother me.  First, team chemistry with some players aligning themselves with a certain qb.  This could cause a division in the team.  Example, I will make up.  One rec says why does the other qb get more pass plays called than you do.  
Also, which qb gets the start.  I think it should be based on two things.  Who has the best week of practice and who has the best grasp of the game plan for the week.  


Good points, HSC.  Assuming there are "ground rules", who sets them?  CNS?  And does CNS alone decide when to substitute during games?  That could be a sticky situation too.  I'd think CNS gets away from this 2-QB system (equal playing time) as soon as possible.  I'll bet we know by the end of the Penn State game.
I think CNS and CJM would decide the ground rules.  Usually there is a certain time/series people using 2 qbs set for them to come in.  However, that could change depending on how the first qb is playing.  I am not sure it will be decided by the PSU game.  I think they looked very close in the spring game.  However, I am not in player meetings and practice.   One huge issue is who will play Coach Saban style football?
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2011, 05:58:27 PM »

It is hard to say what to do without really being in the coaching situation with them.  I, as I have said before, think they both are talented and capable of leading the team.
If I did employ the 2 qb system there would be some ground rules.
First, there will be playing time for both.  It may not be equal.  If a qb is hot I may stay with him longer than I plan.  I just can justify pulling a qb if he has completed 10 passes in a row.  
There are things that bother me.  First, team chemistry with some players aligning themselves with a certain qb.  This could cause a division in the team.  Example, I will make up.  One rec says why does the other qb get more pass plays called than you do.  
Also, which qb gets the start.  I think it should be based on two things.  Who has the best week of practice and who has the best grasp of the game plan for the week.  


Good points, HSC.  Assuming there are "ground rules", who sets them?  CNS?  And does CNS alone decide when to substitute during games?  That could be a sticky situation too.  I'd think CNS gets away from this 2-QB system (equal playing time) as soon as possible.  I'll bet we know by the end of the Penn State game.
I think CNS and CJM would decide the ground rules.  Usually there is a certain time/series people using 2 qbs set for them to come in.  However, that could change depending on how the first qb is playing.  I am not sure it will be decided by the PSU game.  I think they looked very close in the spring game.  However, I am not in player meetings and practice.   One huge issue is who will play Coach Saban style football?


I Agree.

Saban ball needs a good leader at QB. We may have 2 leaders down there. Like I said, CNS and CJM may already know but want both to improve.

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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2011, 07:53:34 PM »

It is hard to say what to do without really being in the coaching situation with them.  I, as I have said before, think they both are talented and capable of leading the team.
If I did employ the 2 qb system there would be some ground rules.
First, there will be playing time for both.  It may not be equal.  If a qb is hot I may stay with him longer than I plan.  I just can justify pulling a qb if he has completed 10 passes in a row. 
There are things that bother me.  First, team chemistry with some players aligning themselves with a certain qb.  This could cause a division in the team.  Example, I will make up.  One rec says why does the other qb get more pass plays called than you do. 
Also, which qb gets the start.  I think it should be based on two things.  Who has the best week of practice and who has the best grasp of the game plan for the week. 


Good points, HSC.  Assuming there are "ground rules", who sets them?  CNS?  And does CNS alone decide when to substitute during games?  That could be a sticky situation too.  I'd think CNS gets away from this 2-QB system (equal playing time) as soon as possible.  I'll bet we know by the end of the Penn State game.
I think CNS and CJM would decide the ground rules.  Usually there is a certain time/series people using 2 qbs set for them to come in.  However, that could change depending on how the first qb is playing.  I am not sure it will be decided by the PSU game.  I think they looked very close in the spring game.  However, I am not in player meetings and practice.   One huge issue is who will play Coach Saban style football?

That is going to be the bottom line I'm sure.  AJ may have some trouble in that area, since he wants to play AJ style football.  But I'm sure he is over that by now or CNS would not be considering him to be the potential starter at this point.  If AJ can keep that self-confidence, but learn just a touch of humility to go with it, he will be a force to reckon with.  I like his swagger, he just needs to make sure he doesn't try to out swagger the coach our he will be riding the pine.
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2011, 07:56:12 PM »

It would be a plus if we had two strong centers so that the QB's/centers could be like a pitching battery in basball but, alas, we would not want to take Vlachos out.

It can work, like G. Rutledge and Todd, but more so when you are heavily into the running game --- which, by all means, I hope will be the case!

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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2011, 08:11:16 PM »

It would be a plus if we had two strong centers so that the QB's/centers could be like a pitching battery in basball but, alas, we would not want to take Vlachos out.

You are right on about having two strong centers. The center position is one the weaker positions, as far as depth is concerned, on the team and hopefully somebody comes in and steps up to that challenge.
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2011, 07:28:42 AM »

For now, the uncertainty at QB requires that both players work hard to improve their game, which I think is what Saban hopes to accomplish.  Nothing like competition to motivate players.  Sims will be a star one day, and he deserves a shot at the head QB job now.  I think eventually Bama will have one starting QB, but it may not happen until the third game.
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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2011, 07:32:19 AM »

For now, the uncertainty at QB requires that both players work hard to improve their game, which I think is what Saban hopes to accomplish.  Nothing like competition to motivate players.  Sims will be a star one day, and he deserves a shot at the head QB job now.  I think eventually Bama will have one starting QB, but it may not happen until the third game.

We're on the same page.  We'll need an established pattern of starting QB by SEC TIME.
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2011, 07:38:16 AM »

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