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« on: February 12, 2014, 06:04:52 PM »

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The committee recommended that if the instant replay official rules that a disqualification should not have occurred, and if the targeting foul is not accompanied by another personal foul, the 15-yard penalty for targeting should not be enforced.

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The committee also recommended a rules change that will allow defensive units to substitute within the first 10 seconds of the 40-second play clock, with the exception of the final two minutes of each half, starting with the 2014 season.


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Under this rule proposal, the offense will not be allowed to snap the ball until the play clock reaches 29 seconds or less. If the offense snaps the ball before the play clock reaches 29 seconds, a 5-yard, delay-of-game penalty will be assessed. Under current rules, defensive players are not guaranteed an opportunity to substitute unless the offense substitutes first. This part of the rule will remain in place in scenarios where the play clock starts at 25 seconds.

The Gus bus will hit the mediocrity wall if the 10 second rule passes.

I'm glad they are addressing that stupid targeting rule.

It will be very interesting and probably controversial if the 10 second rule passes.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 06:13:34 PM »

I'm glad this happened, especially the target rule.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 06:16:42 PM »

I'm glad this happened, especially the target rule.

People are already coming out of the woodwork accusing the REC of pushing the slow down of the HUNH. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2014, 06:26:40 PM »

I'm glad this happened, especially the target rule.

People are already coming out of the woodwork accusing the REC of pushing the slow down of the HUNH. 

It was a year ago that CNS brought all of this to everyone's attention that it should be looked at and some changes made. Well, it only took one year for them to take his advice and do what he said to do. I know this will burn some butts nationally. The REC only makes sure that it happens. Angry
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2014, 07:16:16 PM »

I'm glad this happened, especially the target rule.

People are already coming out of the woodwork accusing the REC of pushing the slow down of the HUNH. 

It was a year ago that CNS brought all of this to everyone's attention that it should be looked at and some changes made. Well, it only took one year for them to take his advice and do what he said to do. I know this will burn some butts nationally. The REC only makes sure that it happens. Angry

 
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2014, 07:28:37 PM »

HOPEFULLY they'll pass the 10-sec rule.
But will they?  I fear they'll table it for a year.
The statement below sounds like it's a done deal.

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The committee discussed the issue thoroughly before coming to the conclusion that defensive teams should be allowed some period of time to substitute. The committee believes that 10 seconds provides sufficient time for defensive player substitutions without inhibiting the ability of an offense to play at a fast pace. Research indicated that teams with fast-paced, no-huddle offenses rarely snap the ball with 30 seconds or more on the play clock. This rules proposal also aligns with a request from the Committee on Competitive Safeguards and Medical Aspects of Sports that sport rules committees review substitution rules in regards to player safety.

In the NCAA’s non-rules change years, proposals can only be made for student-athlete safety reasons or modifications that enhance the intent of a previous rules change.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2014, 07:51:34 PM »

HOPEFULLY they'll pass the 10-sec rule.
But will they?  I fear they'll table it for a year.
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The committee discussed the issue thoroughly before coming to the conclusion that defensive teams should be allowed some period of time to substitute. The committee believes that 10 seconds provides sufficient time for defensive player substitutions without inhibiting the ability of an offense to play at a fast pace. Research indicated that teams with fast-paced, no-huddle offenses rarely snap the ball with 30 seconds or more on the play clock. This rules proposal also aligns with a request from the Committee on Competitive Safeguards and Medical Aspects of Sports that sport rules committees review substitution rules in regards to player safety.

In the NCAA’s non-rules change years, proposals can only be made for student-athlete safety reasons or modifications that enhance the intent of a previous rules change.
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I certainly hope it passes too, but it will not be passed without a fight from the Oregons, TAMUs and Baylors of the college football world. The HUNH teams have completely sold out, and put all their eggs in this basket. They will not let this pass quietly.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2014, 07:52:51 PM »

I'm glad this happened, especially the target rule.



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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2014, 10:28:08 PM »

Allowing the 15 yard penalty to stand after the booth overturned the targeting call was ridiculous and Bama got screwed a couple of times last year. Hope it changes.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2014, 08:53:44 AM »

Fixing the targeting rule is a no brainer that even NCAA should be able to fix with this proposal.

The :10 sec/HUNH rule will have lots of discussion.  There will be need for more facts to support changing the rules and for that reason I doubt it will pass this year.

Part of me says 'leave it alone.'  If the one team can figure a way to run their O to advantage, then the other team has to figure a way to defend it.  I guess there was a time when the forward pass was thought of as a gimmick.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2014, 11:14:15 AM »

I think everyone knew the targeting rule would be changed this year.

I like the 10 sec HUNH rule change. To me allowing the defense to sub is not the issue. Most teams that run the HUNH rush to line and try to snap the ball before the defense is set. If the defense is set they slow down and call a play by signals from from the sideline. The 10 sec rule will allow the defense time to get set which makes it a level playing field.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2014, 05:06:10 PM »

I think everyone knew the targeting rule would be changed this year.

I like the 10 sec HUNH rule change. To me allowing the defense to sub is not the issue. Most teams that run the HUNH rush to line and try to snap the ball before the defense is set. If the defense is set they slow down and call a play by signals from from the sideline. The 10 sec rule will allow the defense time to get set which makes it a level playing field.

My thoughts Ed Zachary. To me, it has always been about giving the defense enough time to get set instead of rushing around trying to figure out where to go while the offense already knows what it is going to do. Unfair advantage, in opinion. Besides, pretty much anything the barners are against, I am pro.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2014, 07:40:32 PM »

My opinion is that either the offense or defense should be able to substitute at any time and the ball not put in play until the changes are made. There is a huge advantage for the offense the way it is set up now. The same goes for linemen being down field on passing plays, another huge advantage for the offense and that cost Bama the game in the Iron Bowl this year.  Banging your head against the wall.

   
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2014, 10:36:04 PM »

To me, the HUNH is like a game of chess where one person can use his allotted time to make his move, but as soon as he's made a move, the other player has less than 10 seconds to decide what his next move will be.  The person who doesn't have any time to think about a response is at an unfair advantage before any move is made.  How would proponents of the HUNH feel if the defense was allowed to just go and clobber the quarterback as soon as the ball was marked ready for play before the center even snapped the ball? The defense could make the argument that just because the offense hadn't snapped the ball, that's no reason why they couldn't do what they wanted to do.  It's just ridiculous.
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2014, 08:03:29 AM »

To me, the HUNH is like a game of chess where one person can use his allotted time to make his move, but as soon as he's made a move, the other player has less than 10 seconds to decide what his next move will be.  The person who doesn't have any time to think about a response is at an unfair advantage before any move is made.  How would proponents of the HUNH feel if the defense was allowed to just go and clobber the quarterback as soon as the ball was marked ready for play before the center even snapped the ball? The defense could make the argument that just because the offense hadn't snapped the ball, that's no reason why they couldn't do what they wanted to do.  It's just ridiculous.

In baseball the pitcher can not make a pitch until the batter is in the box and ready. The ump will even allow the batter time time to kick around a little dirt. Once the batter is ready the pitch can be thrown. In basketball the ref holds the ball until both sides are in position and ready for play.

The NFL gets it. Many NFL teams run no huddle. It is effective and wears the defense down but the refs will not rush to put the ball in play. They take their normal time and make sure the defense is ready before the offense can snap the ball.

The hurry up in college is an unfair offensive advantage. I don't know if the 10 sec rule is the best way to control it. I think the ref's could do it by following the NFL model.
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