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Title: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on August 25, 2011, 09:08:28 AM http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/sports/ncaafootball/if-texas-am-is-secs-13th-team-whos-no-14.html?_r=1&ref=sports
By PETE THAMEL Published: August 24, 2011 Quote Whatever conference Team No. 14 comes from, that league would probably have to react. And if the SEC becomes the first major league to expand to 14 members, there will be pressure on the Big Ten and the Pacific-12, which have 12 each, to grow. As for when Texas A&M will move, the probable answer is soon but not imminent. If it were to join the SEC for the 2012-13 academic year, it would have to make the move by early fall in order for the move to be logistically feasible. A high-ranking SEC official said he did not expect any movement on Texas A&M within the next week, because he said the university was busy working out the legal issues involved with leaving the Big 12. “They have to unencumber themselves from the Big 12,” the official said. “I think it’s a matter of timing and substance,” the SEC official said. “Who is it and when is it done? I don’t think the SEC has any strong opinion against expansion. Likewise, we’re not under any pressure to expand.” Virginia Tech would make the most sense in terms of its television market, the quality of football program and the culture of its relatively remote campus in Blacksburg. “We have had zero conversations about 14,” the official said. “And we won’t. I think the issue will be, Does Texas A&M want in? And if so, do we want to take them?” Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: ssmith general on August 25, 2011, 09:16:15 AM VT would be an excellent choice.
Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: pmull on August 25, 2011, 09:18:41 AM VT would be an excellent choice. I went on record several weeks ago that VT was my pick. I agree they would be an excellant choice. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: ssmith general on August 25, 2011, 09:19:49 AM VT would be an excellent choice. I went on record several weeks ago that VT was my pick. I agree they would be an excellant choice. Can't think of a better one really. Nope. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Chechem on August 25, 2011, 09:35:11 AM I love the state of Virginia. And I know the SEC would love to expand into the VA market. But I'm not a fan of VT. Wish we could get UVA instead.
Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: KoKoPuf on August 25, 2011, 09:43:31 AM I would prefer Oklahoma but VT offers a bigger TV market.
Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: ssmith general on August 25, 2011, 09:45:11 AM I would prefer Oklahoma but VT offers a bigger TV market. And a really long drive to games. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: 2Stater on August 25, 2011, 09:57:28 AM I think it will be Clemson. Talent-wise, maybe not the best bet, but geographically good.
Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Chechem on August 25, 2011, 10:08:17 AM I think it will be Clemson. Talent-wise, maybe not the best bet, but geographically good. We already have USCe in SC. If anything, take UNC and UVA. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on August 25, 2011, 10:18:13 AM I think it will be Clemson. Talent-wise, maybe not the best bet, but geographically good. We already have USCe in SC. If anything, take UNC and UVA. I think Virginia Tech or Viginia. That way CNS can go up there raid all the 5* talent. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Catch Prothro on August 25, 2011, 10:31:27 AM VT would be a good choice for the Virginia market.
I'm lukewarm about the Aggies unless the SEC can also get Oklahoma. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: 2Stater on August 25, 2011, 10:33:45 AM I think it will be Clemson. Talent-wise, maybe not the best bet, but geographically good. We already have USCe in SC. If anything, take UNC and UVA. It's already a natural rivalry. Will be even better with both in the SEC. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on August 25, 2011, 10:39:52 AM I think it will be Clemson. Talent-wise, maybe not the best bet, but geographically good. We already have USCe in SC. If anything, take UNC and UVA. I think Virginia Tech or Viginia. That way CNS can go up there raid all the 5* talent. He must be able to see the future...he's already started. Philips Sims, and Arie and Cyrus are all from that area. ;D Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: pmull on August 25, 2011, 11:36:04 AM I think it will be Clemson. Talent-wise, maybe not the best bet, but geographically good. We already have USCe in SC. If anything, take UNC and UVA. It's already a natural rivalry. Will be even better with both in the SEC. Clemson does not bring a new TV market or additional money to the SEC. It would cost the other teams money to add them. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on August 25, 2011, 11:52:21 AM I think it will be Clemson. Talent-wise, maybe not the best bet, but geographically good. We already have USCe in SC. If anything, take UNC and UVA. I think Virginia Tech or Viginia. That way CNS can go up there raid all the 5* talent. He must be able to see the future...he's already started. Philips Sims, and Arie and Cyrus are all from that area. ;D AK and CK are from DeMathis High school. I thought that was in Washington DC. Is high school in Virginia? Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on August 25, 2011, 12:15:35 PM I think it will be Clemson. Talent-wise, maybe not the best bet, but geographically good. We already have USCe in SC. If anything, take UNC and UVA. I think Virginia Tech or Viginia. That way CNS can go up there raid all the 5* talent. He must be able to see the future...he's already started. Philips Sims, and Arie and Cyrus are all from that area. ;D AK and CK are from DeMathis High school. I thought that was in Washington DC. Is high school in Virginia? I consider it to be that basic area. :dunno: Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: ricky023 on August 25, 2011, 12:27:05 PM It will be Clemson. I think FSU will be the next ACC team to transfer.T&AM of course will be the first coming here. RTR!
Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on August 25, 2011, 12:30:02 PM It will be Clemson. I think FSU will be the next ACC team to transfer.T&AM of course will be the first coming here. RTR! South Carolina and Florida have already balked at the idea of adding an in-state team (Clemson and FSU, respectively). Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: ricky023 on August 25, 2011, 12:34:32 PM It will be Clemson. I think FSU will be the next ACC team to transfer.T&AM of course will be the first coming here. RTR! South Carolina and Florida have already balked at the idea of adding an in-state team (Clemson and FSU, respectively). Do you think they can't be out voted or whatever, how they do it? RTR! Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on August 25, 2011, 12:43:06 PM It will be Clemson. I think FSU will be the next ACC team to transfer.T&AM of course will be the first coming here. RTR! South Carolina and Florida have already balked at the idea of adding an in-state team (Clemson and FSU, respectively). Do you think they can't be out voted or whatever, how they do it? RTR! I'm not sure about the ins-and-outs of the whole expansion process, Ricky. I've not seen any good reporting on the rules to the process either, so I'm not sure it's public knowledge. Apparently the University presidents get to vote or have a big say in the whole matter. Not sure if it has to pass by a certain majority or unanimous or what. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: ricky023 on August 25, 2011, 12:48:06 PM :clap: thanks Hannibal, I hadn't thought of that, but it would probably be a lot of secret ballot or not public as you say. I guess the big MONEY would also play a great big part, cause if it don't bring money then nobody is going to move on anything. RTR!
Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 25, 2011, 01:05:43 PM It has to be 3/4 majority. That means it takes 3 schools to veto somebody. I believe the rules are public.
I don't see the in-state rival thing being an issue to be honest. Half of the league has an in-state rivel, so they aren't going to sympathize. The other half will probably vote for any school that isn't their in state rival. For example, Florida would probably be happy to take Clemson because it means FSU won't be the 14th team. So I don't think anyone will be vetoed because of that. However, the issue of money may cause an in-state rival to get voted down because it doesn't expand the TV market. For example, it could turn out that adding Clemson won't allow each school to keep their current revenue level because there isn't enough extra money coming in to give Clemson the same that everyone else gets right now. I think that the schools get about 30 million each right now, so whoever we add will need to allow us to add at least 30 million more in conference revenue just so all the other schools don't have to take a cut. It remains to be seen as to which in state schools can pull that off, if any. I think FSU probably could, but maybe not Clemson. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Hannibal Lecter, MD on August 25, 2011, 01:12:50 PM It has to be 3/4 majority. That means it takes 3 schools to veto somebody. I believe the rules are public. Doesn't that mean it would take 4 to veto? A 9 to 3 vote is still a 3/4 majority. And does Slive get a vote. :dunno: Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: ricky023 on August 25, 2011, 01:14:09 PM It has to be 3/4 majority. That means it takes 3 schools to veto somebody. I believe the rules are public. I don't see the in-state rival thing being an issue to be honest. Half of the league has an in-state rivel, so they aren't going to sympathize. The other half will probably vote for any school that isn't their in state rival. For example, Florida would probably be happy to take Clemson because it means FSU won't be the 14th team. So I don't think anyone will be vetoed because of that. However, the issue of money may cause an in-state rival to get voted down because it doesn't expand the TV market. For example, it could turn out that adding Clemson won't allow each school to keep their current revenue level because there isn't enough extra money coming in to give Clemson the same that everyone else gets right now. I think that the schools get about 30 million each right now, so whoever we add will need to allow us to add at least 30 million more in conference revenue just so all the other schools don't have to take a cut. It remains to be seen as to which in state schools can pull that off, if any. I think FSU probably could, but maybe not Clemson. #+, give ya a cred SC that is a great explanation. Thanks so much for your knowledge. RTR! Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: cbbama99 on August 25, 2011, 02:06:50 PM I think I have to side with the Va Tech crowd. While Clemson is geographically and probably more culturally tied to the conference, I can't see how it would be of great benefit to the conference. FSU would offer more, but would they be willing to compete in a more challenging conference? OU would be a powerhouse, but again, the TV market situation. VA Tech offers a top flight program, access to more recruits in the DC area, and bigger market.
Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: SUPERCOACH on August 25, 2011, 03:48:55 PM It has to be 3/4 majority. That means it takes 3 schools to veto somebody. I believe the rules are public. Doesn't that mean it would take 4 to veto? A 9 to 3 vote is still a 3/4 majority. And does Slive get a vote. :dunno: You are right, it would take 4 to veto. I usually explain this by saying it takes 9 to approve, which is not the same as saying it takes 3 to veto. Title: Re: **If Texas A&M Is the SEC’s 13th Team, Who’s No. 14?** Post by: Jamos on August 25, 2011, 04:44:42 PM I think the other team that will come will be from the Big 12. There's a lot of money out that way and that is what this whole thing is about. I could be wrong but I don't think anyone from the ACC will be coming this way. I think the ACC and the Big East will do some moving around to get their big conference.
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