Penn State Should Get Death Penalty-Fox Sports Article

[Marshal Dillon]

They have a poll in which folks were asked if they deserved the death penalty. Of over 63,000 votes (so far), 73% voted yes. Good article.

Again and again, the 269-page report by Freeh’s group showed how Penn State officials had a “callous and shocking disregard for child victims.” They lied, then lied about their lies. Even now, the loyalty to the lie about Paterno being a man of integrity (despite evidence proving he lied to a grand jury regarding his knowledge of the 1998 investigation) is galling.

Everything that has happened to Penn State so far is a half measure. And I do not believe in half measures for child rapists or institutions that harbor them. Neither should you.

What is a full measure, you ask.

The death penalty, as delivered by the NCAA, is a good starting point. I used to believe this was too harsh. After listening to those boys testify and then reading details in the Freeh reports like Sandusky having special seats to Paterno’s record-breaking game in 2011 and an email from then-athletic director Tim Curley saying, after talking with Paterno, he no longer believed reporting Sandusky to child authorities was the right course of action, I have changed my mind.

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[BAMAWV]

Everyone has heard the saying 'what goes around comes around' but rarely if ever do you see it happen. These people have made a storied history out of cheating other teams in Happy Valley. Referees were hand picked by their adoration levels of CJP and sometimes are even blood related. Never have the Paterno folks issued an apology or an acknowledgement of the flagrant cheating that has become legendary in scope.  I have been jumping up and down for years, furious about the extent of home cooking that takes place there. The Paterno mafia is finally getting what they deserve. But don't go overboard by taking away the weekly ass kicking they will be getting starting this fall.

[McBaman]

Well, let's see now...  You have recruiting violations and such vs. kids being raped.  Schools get whacked for recruiting violations and SMU even got the death penalty for some of it's stuff, but there was no sexual abuse there that I recall.  So unless you think recruiting violations and such are WORSE than a years long program of abusing kids, then NCAA has to go with the death penalty. 

If NCAA doesn't do this, then there is no point to NCAA.  (Oops...we already know that don't we!)

[Marshal Dillon]

Well, let's see now...  You have recruiting violations and such vs. kids being raped.  Schools get whacked for recruiting violations and SMU even got the death penalty for some of it's stuff, but there was no sexual abuse there that I recall.  So unless you think recruiting violations and such are WORSE than a years long program of abusing kids, then NCAA has to go with the death penalty. 

If NCAA doesn't do this, then there is no point to NCAA.  (Oops...we already know that don't we!)

Exactly. I was thinking the same thing. However, this is a Big Ten team and we know they are "special" and far superior to us rubes in the SEC & Big 12. In the last 5-7 years, we have had major violations in Michigan football & basketball, Ohio State football, several sports in Minnesota & Wisconsin, and now this with Penn State, but for some reason nothing seems to stick on the Big Ten. Amazing.

[N.AL-Tider]

I think the death penalty for the football team would be wrong.  After all, the players would actually be the ones that are being punished for the deeds of the coaches and administration.  I would suggest that the NCAA mandate that the entire football coaching staff, the athletic director(s) and the school presidents and anyone else that has any duties that support any athletics should be permenantly removed from their employment.  The coaching staff could be replaced and the program resume hopefully on the straight and narrow...  Yes, this would still punish the players that are innocent but to a much smaller degree.  The people that are at least partially responsible for the Sandusky syndrome would be punished severely by never being allowed to coach at any level again... just my .02   

[Marshal Dillon]

There should be some type of stiff sanction, but I don't know what it could be. Penn Sate's reputation has been destroyed and completely embarrassed and shamed, Paterno's legacy has been nuked, and Penn State will end up paying many millions to these rape victims and they are the pariah of the sports world. What else can be done to them?



 

[Jamos]

What is the definition of Lack of Institutional Control of a football program?

[Chechem]

What is the definition of Lack of Institutional Control of a football program?

Seriously?
It's when the football program calls the shots, not the university administration.

[Jamos]

What is the definition of Lack of Institutional Control of a football program?

Seriously?
It's when the football program calls the shots, not the university administration.

Did the head coach (football program) not know what was going on and failed to do anything?

[Chechem]

What is the definition of Lack of Institutional Control of a football program?

Seriously?
It's when the football program calls the shots, not the university administration.

Did the head coach (football program) not know what was going on and failed to do anything?

I haven't read the report, but according to the talking heads today it seems Paterno convinced the administrators to not report the Sandusky accusations to child welfare or the police.

[Marshal Dillon]

The NCAA has previously stated they would use the death penalty only on teams who are on probation and commit major infractions. That eliminates Penn State.


 

[ALTideUp]

ATU Prediction Time

It's neither here nor there. The PSU board of trustees is going to suspend their football program. It will probably be 2 years. There. I am on record.

Here's why. Things are really bad right now. And their bragging about the influx of donations actually hurts their public image as a culture that cares more about football than kids. And things are about to get worse. The trials of the two administrators, aided by evidence uncovered by Freeh, will no doubt make worse a situation that you'd think couldn't really get much worse. To all these things add that the NCAA is putting the loaded gun in their hands and saying do the right thing. That is, they will seriously be considered for the death penalty, which will further tarnish their image and delay their recovery. The BOT, with some friendly advice from Harrisburg, will suspend football at PSU.

[Jamos]

What is the definition of Lack of Institutional Control of a football program?

Seriously?
It's when the football program calls the shots, not the university administration.

Did the head coach (football program) not know what was going on and failed to do anything?

I haven't read the report, but according to the talking heads today it seems Paterno convinced the administrators to not report the Sandusky accusations to child welfare or the police.

That is my point. When Bama found out about the textbook scam they immediatly reported this to the NCAA and suspended the players that were involved. The NCAA still hammered Bama and their reasoning was that the coaches should have known what was going on and it shouldn't have ever happen. It was the coaches responsibility then as it was the coaches responsibility at Penn State when they were told what was going on in the shower that day in the players locker room.

[Chechem]

What is the definition of Lack of Institutional Control of a football program?

Seriously?
It's when the football program calls the shots, not the university administration.

Did the head coach (football program) not know what was going on and failed to do anything?

I haven't read the report, but according to the talking heads today it seems Paterno convinced the administrators to not report the Sandusky accusations to child welfare or the police.

That is my point. When Bama found out about the textbook scam they immediatly reported this to the NCAA and suspended the players that were involved. The NCAA still hammered Bama and their reasoning was that the coaches should have known what was going on and it shouldn't have ever happen. It was the coaches responsibility then as it was the coaches responsibility at Penn State when they were told what was going on in the shower that day in the players locker room.

I know, Jamos. 
But PSU is in the Big 10; Bama in the SEC.  Different rules, different punishment.
I think ATU might be onto something.  PSU may self-punish their football team.

[Marshal Dillon]

ATU Prediction Time

It's neither here nor there. The PSU board of trustees is going to suspend their football program. It will probably be 2 years. There. I am on record.

Here's why. Things are really bad right now. And their bragging about the influx of donations actually hurts their public image as a culture that cares more about football than kids. And things are about to get worse. The trials of the two administrators, aided by evidence uncovered by Freeh, will no doubt make worse a situation that you'd think couldn't really get much worse. To all these things add that the NCAA is putting the loaded gun in their hands and saying do the right thing. That is, they will seriously be considered for the death penalty, which will further tarnish their image and delay their recovery. The BOT, with some friendly advice from Harrisburg, will suspend football at PSU.

No way do I see them quitting football on their own. They're a Big Ten team, so they are too self-important to quit.

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