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Title: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: pmull on February 22, 2014, 12:57:39 PM According to this article by Kevin Scarbinsky Alabama would owe Grant $1M per year for five years and not $1.9M as many of us on this board thought. That is $5M less any payment he gets from another job. That amont is much more manageable than $9.5M. I am not saying CAG should be fired but this buyout amount should not be the only reason he gets another year.
Quote If Alabama fires Grant next month, it'll owe him $1 million for each of the five years remaining on his contract, or $5 million total. His annual compensation if he returns is $1.9 million. Paying a coach $5 million not to coach, in addition to paying his successor, sounds like a lot of money, but there are details more relevant to the discussion and the decision. Alabama wouldn't owe Grant that large lump sum. It would owe him equal monthly payments through the term of the contract, which runs to March 31, 2019. Break down $5 million over five years, and it comes to $83,333.33 a month for 60 months. Monthly buyout payments are standard in coaching contracts, as is the provision that Grant's buyout would be reduced by the amount of money he would make at his next job, and he would get another job. http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/02/alabama_shouldnt_decide_anthon.html#incart_river Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 22, 2014, 01:15:47 PM Some key thoughts from the article. I have to say I see no reason to believe things will change dramatically if Grant gets another year. Will he suddenly start developing players, will we have a better offense, outside shooting, rebounding? A buyout of $5 mil changes everything and now I think Grant is a goner.
:problem: Quote There's no hope left for this season, and there's no guarantee that next year will be significantly better. Quote but at a school as flush financially as Alabama, a decision on a coach's future shouldn't be made primarily on money. It should be made on where the program is and where the powers that be think it's going. Bottom line: Alabama can afford to fire Grant. It would be much more beneficial to do a cost-benefit analysis of bringing him back. Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: cbbama99 on February 22, 2014, 05:43:58 PM My only issue would be should UA can CAG, how long would it take to get this program back on the winning side of things? New coach, new system, possibly some losses of players (perhaps gains, as well). It COULD stretch out our misery for another couple of years. Having said that, though, the right coach (as seen in the women's program) could start helping make some incremental improvements next season and the program would be on the upswing. I guess it all comes down to whether Battle can find THE guy.
Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 22, 2014, 06:46:52 PM My only issue would be should UA can CAG, how long would it take to get this program back on the winning side of things? New coach, new system, possibly some losses of players (perhaps gains, as well). It COULD stretch out our misery for another couple of years. Having said that, though, the right coach (as seen in the women's program) could start helping make some incremental improvements next season and the program would be on the upswing. I guess it all comes down to whether Battle can find THE guy. I think there're several coaches out there we could get, maybe even Bruce Pearl. There are coaches in mid-level conferences we can look at. :popcorn2: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: bamaphil on February 22, 2014, 09:00:06 PM My only issue would be should UA can CAG, how long would it take to get this program back on the winning side of things? New coach, new system, possibly some losses of players (perhaps gains, as well). It COULD stretch out our misery for another couple of years. Having said that, though, the right coach (as seen in the women's program) could start helping make some incremental improvements next season and the program would be on the upswing. I guess it all comes down to whether Battle can find THE guy. Grant seemed to be THE guy when we got him. Everyone believed he was going to be one of the next great coaches in college basketball. There are no sure things. Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 22, 2014, 09:19:02 PM My only issue would be should UA can CAG, how long would it take to get this program back on the winning side of things? New coach, new system, possibly some losses of players (perhaps gains, as well). It COULD stretch out our misery for another couple of years. Having said that, though, the right coach (as seen in the women's program) could start helping make some incremental improvements next season and the program would be on the upswing. I guess it all comes down to whether Battle can find THE guy. Grant seemed to be THE guy when we got him. Everyone believed he was going to be one of the next great coaches in college basketball. There are no sure things. True, Grant has been a huge disappointment. A lot of his rep was built as an assistant coach for Billy Donovan, though. Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: cbbama99 on February 22, 2014, 10:09:26 PM My only issue would be should UA can CAG, how long would it take to get this program back on the winning side of things? New coach, new system, possibly some losses of players (perhaps gains, as well). It COULD stretch out our misery for another couple of years. Having said that, though, the right coach (as seen in the women's program) could start helping make some incremental improvements next season and the program would be on the upswing. I guess it all comes down to whether Battle can find THE guy. Grant seemed to be THE guy when we got him. Everyone believed he was going to be one of the next great coaches in college basketball. There are no sure things. Oh no doubt about it. It is somewhat an inexact science, unless you dug up John Wooden and made him about 30 years younger. :lol2: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: N.AL-Tider on February 22, 2014, 10:26:51 PM I personally don't think much of Kevin Scarbinsky as a sports writer simply because of the Bama hate he spews. I think he will say anything he can if he thinks it will ultimately hurt Bama. I also hope they give Grant another chance...
Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 22, 2014, 10:28:53 PM I personally don't think much of Kevin Scarbinsky as a sports writer simply because of the Bama hate he spews. I think he will say anything he can if he thinks it will ultimately hurt Bama. I also hope they give Grant another chance... Why? Just wondering. :think: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: pmull on February 23, 2014, 08:00:16 AM I personally don't think much of Kevin Scarbinsky as a sports writer simply because of the Bama hate he spews. I think he will say anything he can if he thinks it will ultimately hurt Bama. I also hope they give Grant another chance... Why? Just wondering. :think: Why? He has five new players coming in next year. Two of them are proven players that have transferred in. We will have the best combination of front and back court players since CAG has been at Bama. He is a good man, runs a clean program, represents the University with class and his players stay out of trouble. The administration likes him but they want a winner. Their choice will be made on whether they think he can turn things around next year and get to the NCAA Tournament. I am on the fence whether CAG should get another year or not. The win over Missouri helped. Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 23, 2014, 08:42:25 AM I personally don't think much of Kevin Scarbinsky as a sports writer simply because of the Bama hate he spews. I think he will say anything he can if he thinks it will ultimately hurt Bama. I also hope they give Grant another chance... Why? Just wondering. :think: Why? He has five new players coming in next year. Two of them are proven players that have transferred in. We will have the best combination of front and back court players since CAG has been at Bama. He is a good man, runs a clean program, represents the University with class and his players stay out of trouble. The administration likes him but they want a winner. Their choice will be made on whether they think he can turn things around next year and get to the NCAA Tournament. I am on the fence whether CAG should get another year or not. The win over Missouri helped. So you think Grant will suddenly learn how to develop players, come up with an offense that scores, rebounds, hits outside shots, can pass the ball effectively, win games against good teams, AND make the NCAA Tourney after FIVE years of not showing any of these traits? Most of this based on a victory on an unranked Missouri which might not make the NCAA? Wow! Miracles do happen, I guess. :dog: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: pmull on February 23, 2014, 08:50:48 AM I personally don't think much of Kevin Scarbinsky as a sports writer simply because of the Bama hate he spews. I think he will say anything he can if he thinks it will ultimately hurt Bama. I also hope they give Grant another chance... Why? Just wondering. :think: Why? He has five new players coming in next year. Two of them are proven players that have transferred in. We will have the best combination of front and back court players since CAG has been at Bama. He is a good man, runs a clean program, represents the University with class and his players stay out of trouble. The administration likes him but they want a winner. Their choice will be made on whether they think he can turn things around next year and get to the NCAA Tournament. I am on the fence whether CAG should get another year or not. The win over Missouri helped. So you think Grant will suddenly learn how to develop players, come up with an offense that scores, rebounds, hits outside shots, can pass the ball effectively, win games against good teams, AND make the NCAA Tourney after FIVE years of not showing any of these traits? Most of this based on a victory on an unranked Missouri which might not mane the NCAA? Wow! Miracles do happen, I guess. :dog: You asked NALT why and I butted in and responded. CAG has pros and cons. That is why I am on the fence. You have valid concerns but there are also reasons to keep him. Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: N.AL-Tider on February 23, 2014, 02:56:53 PM For one, I just like the guy. Also I am tired of seeing schools hire a coach and then fire him a few years later because he doesn't win enough games or he doesn't take them to the NCAA tourney. I have no idea what goes on inside of the team and neither do you. Because of this I can't help but wonder if all of the negativity is truly warranted. You say that he cannot develop players. That may be true or it may not. I'm not qualified to say one way or the other. What qualifies you or anyone else on this board to say that? Maybe given enough time he would be able to put together a team that scores enough, rebounds enough, hits the three-points, hits enough free-throws and stops the opponents from scoring to make everyone happy. Who am I or you to say otherwise?
Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: roll tide roll on February 23, 2014, 03:08:41 PM maybe even Bruce Pearl. My wife and I were discussing this possibility the other day.My problem with Pearl is the unethical recruiting practices in which he was involved and his immoral behavior as an adult and while in the position of a leader of young men. He is a poisoned pen and general scumbag. There are coaches in mid-level conferences we can look at. And you could pay them a lot less than $1mill/year.:popcorn2: Why not give a high school coach a chance. Scott Suttles (Hillcrest) for example. He could not do any worse and I believe he would do a better job. Two 6A state championships in 5 years and a BAMA grad to boot. Hometown boy makes it. Save BAMA basketball. Fire Grant! Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 23, 2014, 04:58:54 PM For one, I just like the guy. Also I am tired of seeing schools hire a coach and then fire him a few years later because he doesn't win enough games or he doesn't take them to the NCAA tourney. I have no idea what goes on inside of the team and neither do you. Because of this I can't help but wonder if all of the negativity is truly warranted. You say that he cannot develop players. That may be true or it may not. I'm not qualified to say one way or the other. What qualifies you or anyone else on this board to say that? Maybe given enough time he would be able to put together a team that scores enough, rebounds enough, hits the three-points, hits enough free-throws and stops the opponents from scoring to make everyone happy. Who am I or you to say otherwise? Why was he hired and paid $1.9 mil a year, because he's a nice guy? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 23, 2014, 05:26:36 PM maybe even Bruce Pearl. My wife and I were discussing this possibility the other day.My problem with Pearl is the unethical recruiting practices in which he was involved and his immoral behavior as an adult and while in the position of a leader of young men. He is a poisoned pen and general scumbag. There are coaches in mid-level conferences we can look at. And you could pay them a lot less than $1mill/year.:popcorn2: Why not give a high school coach a chance. Scott Suttles (Hillcrest) for example. He could not do any worse and I believe he would do a better job. Two 6A state championships in 5 years and a BAMA grad to boot. Hometown boy makes it. Save BAMA basketball. Fire Grant! NO WAY! You don't take a coach from H.S. to the SEC. If we hired a coach from a mid-major we would still pay them well, maybe not $1.9 mil but still a handsome amount. I forgot about Pearl dumping his wife for a young hottie. :facepalm: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: N.AL-Tider on February 24, 2014, 09:44:58 AM maybe even Bruce Pearl. My wife and I were discussing this possibility the other day.My problem with Pearl is the unethical recruiting practices in which he was involved and his immoral behavior as an adult and while in the position of a leader of young men. He is a poisoned pen and general scumbag. There are coaches in mid-level conferences we can look at. And you could pay them a lot less than $1mill/year.:popcorn2: Why not give a high school coach a chance. Scott Suttles (Hillcrest) for example. He could not do any worse and I believe he would do a better job. Two 6A state championships in 5 years and a BAMA grad to boot. Hometown boy makes it. Save BAMA basketball. Fire Grant! NO WAY! You don't take a coach from H.S. to the SEC. If we hired a coach from a mid-major we would still pay them well, maybe not $1.9 mil but still a handsome amount. I forgot about Pearl dumping his wife for a young hottie. :facepalm: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 24, 2014, 09:59:45 AM maybe even Bruce Pearl. My wife and I were discussing this possibility the other day.My problem with Pearl is the unethical recruiting practices in which he was involved and his immoral behavior as an adult and while in the position of a leader of young men. He is a poisoned pen and general scumbag. There are coaches in mid-level conferences we can look at. And you could pay them a lot less than $1mill/year.:popcorn2: Why not give a high school coach a chance. Scott Suttles (Hillcrest) for example. He could not do any worse and I believe he would do a better job. Two 6A state championships in 5 years and a BAMA grad to boot. Hometown boy makes it. Save BAMA basketball. Fire Grant! NO WAY! You don't take a coach from H.S. to the SEC. If we hired a coach from a mid-major we would still pay them well, maybe not $1.9 mil but still a handsome amount. I forgot about Pearl dumping his wife for a young hottie. :facepalm: In case you missed the facts about Malzahn, he was an assistant coach years before being a HEAD COACH. Big difference in case you didn't know. Also, he was a head coach at Arkansas State before going to the Barn. :eyeroll: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: pmull on February 24, 2014, 10:23:53 AM maybe even Bruce Pearl. My wife and I were discussing this possibility the other day.My problem with Pearl is the unethical recruiting practices in which he was involved and his immoral behavior as an adult and while in the position of a leader of young men. He is a poisoned pen and general scumbag. There are coaches in mid-level conferences we can look at. And you could pay them a lot less than $1mill/year.:popcorn2: Why not give a high school coach a chance. Scott Suttles (Hillcrest) for example. He could not do any worse and I believe he would do a better job. Two 6A state championships in 5 years and a BAMA grad to boot. Hometown boy makes it. Save BAMA basketball. Fire Grant! NO WAY! You don't take a coach from H.S. to the SEC. If we hired a coach from a mid-major we would still pay them well, maybe not $1.9 mil but still a handsome amount. I forgot about Pearl dumping his wife for a young hottie. :facepalm: In case you missed the facts about Malzahn, he was an assistant coach years before being a HEAD COACH. Big difference in case you didn't know. Also, he was a head coach at Arkansas State before going to the Barn. :eyeroll: I coached boys church league one year. Am I qualified? Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 24, 2014, 11:03:32 AM maybe even Bruce Pearl. My wife and I were discussing this possibility the other day.My problem with Pearl is the unethical recruiting practices in which he was involved and his immoral behavior as an adult and while in the position of a leader of young men. He is a poisoned pen and general scumbag. There are coaches in mid-level conferences we can look at. And you could pay them a lot less than $1mill/year.:popcorn2: Why not give a high school coach a chance. Scott Suttles (Hillcrest) for example. He could not do any worse and I believe he would do a better job. Two 6A state championships in 5 years and a BAMA grad to boot. Hometown boy makes it. Save BAMA basketball. Fire Grant! NO WAY! You don't take a coach from H.S. to the SEC. If we hired a coach from a mid-major we would still pay them well, maybe not $1.9 mil but still a handsome amount. I forgot about Pearl dumping his wife for a young hottie. :facepalm: In case you missed the facts about Malzahn, he was an assistant coach years before being a HEAD COACH. Big difference in case you didn't know. Also, he was a head coach at Arkansas State before going to the Barn. :eyeroll: I coached boys church league one year. Am I qualified? LOL!! N.AL Tider would probably think so. :lol2: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: N.AL-Tider on February 24, 2014, 12:33:33 PM maybe even Bruce Pearl. My wife and I were discussing this possibility the other day.My problem with Pearl is the unethical recruiting practices in which he was involved and his immoral behavior as an adult and while in the position of a leader of young men. He is a poisoned pen and general scumbag. There are coaches in mid-level conferences we can look at. And you could pay them a lot less than $1mill/year.:popcorn2: Why not give a high school coach a chance. Scott Suttles (Hillcrest) for example. He could not do any worse and I believe he would do a better job. Two 6A state championships in 5 years and a BAMA grad to boot. Hometown boy makes it. Save BAMA basketball. Fire Grant! NO WAY! You don't take a coach from H.S. to the SEC. If we hired a coach from a mid-major we would still pay them well, maybe not $1.9 mil but still a handsome amount. I forgot about Pearl dumping his wife for a young hottie. :facepalm: In case you missed the facts about Malzahn, he was an assistant coach years before being a HEAD COACH. Big difference in case you didn't know. Also, he was a head coach at Arkansas State before going to the Barn. :eyeroll: I coached boys church league one year. Am I qualified? Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: hscoach on February 24, 2014, 12:35:47 PM Bruce P doesn't even need to set foot on the campus. He was fired for cheating. Undersand, this team lost what could have been 3 significant players, with Pollard, Lacey,and Guyere(sp). He had to throw freshmen in the fire in the beginning. I am not quite ready to see him go.
Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: bama57 on February 24, 2014, 12:39:53 PM I wouldn't trade one A.G. for 10 stinking Bruce P.'s
Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 24, 2014, 02:04:34 PM Bruce P doesn't even need to set foot on the campus. He was fired for cheating. Undersand, this team lost what could have been 3 significant players, with Pollard, Lacey,and Guyere(sp). He had to throw freshmen in the fire in the beginning. I am not quite ready to see him go. Do you see the past 5 years of Grant's tenure as being good? What about player development, do you think that has ben acceptable over the 5 years, or the rebounding, offensive game, blocking out, standing around on offense? I would appreciate your observations. :dog: Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: hscoach on February 24, 2014, 02:54:30 PM Bruce P doesn't even need to set foot on the campus. He was fired for cheating. Undersand, this team lost what could have been 3 significant players, with Pollard, Lacey,and Guyere(sp). He had to throw freshmen in the fire in the beginning. I am not quite ready to see him go. Do you see the past 5 years of Grant's tenure as being good? What about player development, do you think that has ben acceptable over the 5 years, or the rebounding, offensive game, blocking out, standing around on offense? I would appreciate your observations. :dog: It is very hard to judge. They have won 20 game over the last 3 years. Coming into this year they had promise, I think, but lost those 3 players I noted earlier. Would DP and MG not have helped with the rebounding? I have said for years Bama does not have the dominant big man that is needed to be one of the stronger contenders. Part of that has to do with players wanting to come and play. I have a feeling Bama is like Kentucky. Kentucky football suffers from the success of their basketball. Maybe, and this is my opinion, some players don't want to be the second program behind football. Title: Re: Alabama shouldn't decide Anthony Grant's future on his buyout Post by: Marshal Dillon on February 24, 2014, 03:10:43 PM Bruce P doesn't even need to set foot on the campus. He was fired for cheating. Undersand, this team lost what could have been 3 significant players, with Pollard, Lacey,and Guyere(sp). He had to throw freshmen in the fire in the beginning. I am not quite ready to see him go. Do you see the past 5 years of Grant's tenure as being good? What about player development, do you think that has ben acceptable over the 5 years, or the rebounding, offensive game, blocking out, standing around on offense? I would appreciate your observations. :dog: It is very hard to judge. They have won 20 game over the last 3 years. Coming into this year they had promise, I think, but lost those 3 players I noted earlier. Would DP and MG not have helped with the rebounding? I have said for years Bama does not have the dominant big man that is needed to be one of the stronger contenders. Part of that has to do with players wanting to come and play. I have a feeling Bama is like Kentucky. Kentucky football suffers from the success of their basketball. Maybe, and this is my opinion, some players don't want to be the second program behind football. Winning 20 games is not the standard anymore when you play 30-38 games in a year (includes SEC Tourney & NCAA). When you won 20 games in a 26 or 27 game regular season like CM or Wimp did it was a major achievement, even 18 games was good. Going 21-13 or 22-12 doesn't impress me, plus our schedule was weak the last few years. Plus, how many ranked teams have we beat in the last 5 years, I bet the answer is ZERO. In football, winning 8 games was a big deal in a 10 game season, now it's an average or bad year. :dog: |