More Storms Looming for Penn State

[Marshal Dillon]

Boy, the BOT really made some drastic changes, didn't they?     

The university is still under scrutiny by the Department of Education and the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), inquiries that could further tarnish Penn State's reputation and that of its storied football program.

The organization that grants the school's crucial academic accreditation is keeping a watchful eye on the unfurling scandal that centers on university officials' handling of Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator convicted in June of sexually abusing children over a 15-year period.

Trustee Kenneth Frazier, head of the committee addressing the Sandusky scandal, said Thursday that the school's board of trustees is "deeply ashamed" by its lack of oversight identified in the report.

The board met again on Friday for a regularly scheduled session, and again pledged to make good on implementing the changes.

They made some changes Friday including reducing the term of board members from 15 years to 12 years. This change applies to board members elected this year. The board also voted to add 30 minutes of public comment during future board meetings.

In November, the Education Department notified Penn State that it was looking into the school's compliance with the Clery Act, a federal law that requires universities to report crimes on or near campus and provide timely warnings if reported crimes threaten the campus community.

In his report, Freeh said top university officials forged an agreement to conceal Sandusky's sexual attacks more than a decade ago, outlining a culture of secrecy while pointing to an incident in which janitors aware of the abuse took no action, out of fear.

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[XBAMA]

not much on espn writers but ... Click here for link

It was supposed to be a secret, but one night the phone in my hotel room rang. It was a Penn State professor, calling out of the blue.

"Are you here to take part in hagiography?" he said.

[Marshal Dillon]

Great link, just incredible. One of the most insightful stories on this matter.

n 1986, I spent a week in State College, Pa., researching a 10-page Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year piece on Joe Paterno.

"You're going to be just like the rest, aren't you? You're going to make Paterno out to be a saint. You don't know him. He'll do anything to win. What you media are doing is dangerous."

Twenty-five years later, when former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was accused of a 15-year reign of pedophilia on young boys, I thought Paterno was too old and too addled to understand, too grandfatherly and Catholic to get that Sandusky was committing grisly crimes using Paterno's own football program as bait.

But I was wrong. Paterno knew. He knew all about it. He'd known for years. He knew and he followed it vigilantly.

 

[XBAMA]

thought you might like it MD , I did .

just goes to show , JP had them by the footballs

[BAMAWV]

I posted on another PSU thread:

Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time.  I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame.

To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this.

[Marshal Dillon]

I posted on another PSU thread:

Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time.  I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame.

To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this.

Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received?

 

[XBAMA]

thought JP's motto always was , "a squeaky clean program at all cost"


 

[2Stater]

The organization that grants the school's crucial academic accreditation is keeping a watchful eye on the unfurling scandal that centers on university officials' handling of Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator convicted in June of sexually abusing children over a 15-year period.

I hate to venture into this, but you know as well as I do that his pedophilia didn't just suddenly start when he was in his 15th year of a 30 year career at PSU. Looking at his coaching career, he also spent time at Juniata College and Boston Univ. I have to wonder what went on there, as well as the earlier years at PSU, and why nobody during that time has stepped up and incriminated him. Too embarrassed, maybe, but you know it went on.

[XBAMA]

The organization that grants the school's crucial academic accreditation is keeping a watchful eye on the unfurling scandal that centers on university officials' handling of Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator convicted in June of sexually abusing children over a 15-year period.

I hate to venture into this, but you know as well as I do that his pedophilia didn't just suddenly start when he was in his 15th year of a 30 year career at PSU. Looking at his coaching career, he also spent time at Juniata College and Boston Univ. I have to wonder what went on there, as well as the earlier years at PSU, and why nobody during that time has stepped up and incriminated him. Too embarrassed, maybe, but you know it went on.

I thought about that also 2 ...
and I hate to say it but I am going to ...

Lord forgive me ...

it seems like they almost condone it up there
like almost everyone sort of expects it or does it
I know that sounds crazy , but when you dig into the underbelly
it darn sure seems like it , like it's not a big deal to the majority ...

maybe I'm way off base here but I've dug a pretty deep hole looking
at this thing and the more I dig the more it seems that away ...

it's like .... child rape ? what ? everyone does it  

[ALTideUp]

To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this.

The fundamental problem is not the men but the institution that they created and developed. The institution is Penn State Football.  The institution of PSU football, and the culture of it, which extends beyond the athletic department to the University as a whole and the town and region, is what ultimately led to these problems. In the face of such powerful institutional and cultural forces, the next 4 guys they get in there are likely to do the same thing. I usually take up the argument that the NCAA errs when coaches screwup and their U is left to deal with all the penalties and other consequences. In this case it really is PSU football that is the cause of the problem and PSU football that has to be brought under control. The only way to do that is suspending the program. Otherwise, it's like imprisoning a bank robber for robbing a bank, but letting him keep the money.

If you need analogical clarification of what has gone on at PSU and what need to happen, watch High Plains Drifter.

[McBaman]

Heck of a piece by the ESPN guy.  Wonder if it will resonate.  It's the kind of piece that could get under the skin of authorities (including NCAA) and motovate them to bring down the hammer real hard.

Like I said in another thread, if SMU can get the death penalty for recruiting violatioins, etc, the what does this kind of prolonged coverup merit?  Or consider: who was damaged more, in a long-lasting way: the 'victims' who got the goodies at SMU or the victims at PSU?

[BAMAWV]

I posted on another PSU thread:

Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time.  I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame.

To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this.

Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received?

 

I've been laughing at you and another guy trying to drag the NCAA into this all along, while it is clearly a criminal/civil matter. Piling on a little? What NCAA rules were violated and what NCAA sanctions would be worse than jail sentences, your legendary coach being put to sleep, and your program being the laughing stock of the entire country?

[Marshal Dillon]

I posted on another PSU thread:

Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time.  I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame.

To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this.

Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received?

 

I've been laughing at you and another guy trying to drag the NCAA into this all along, while it is clearly a criminal/civil matter. Piling on a little? What NCAA rules were violated and what NCAA sanctions would be worse than jail sentences, your legendary coach being put to sleep, and your program being the laughing stock of the entire country?

A jail sentence is not an NCAA sanction, in case you don't know that. Let's see, the footballcoach knew about child rape and did not report it, some of the child rapes occurred in the footballcomplex, the guy doing the child rapes was a current and former footballcoach, the Athletic Directorand university President covered up for the sake of the footballcoach and program. Gosh, I just don't see how football is involved in any way. And they definitely had institutional control over the footballprogram, didn't they? Yeah, we should be more humane to the child rapist and those who covered for him and not pile on, right? By the way, you still have not told me what NCAA sanctions they had suffered. You brought up the subject, not me.



 

[2Stater]

The organization that grants the school's crucial academic accreditation is keeping a watchful eye on the unfurling scandal that centers on university officials' handling of Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator convicted in June of sexually abusing children over a 15-year period.

I hate to venture into this, but you know as well as I do that his pedophilia didn't just suddenly start when he was in his 15th year of a 30 year career at PSU. Looking at his coaching career, he also spent time at Juniata College and Boston Univ. I have to wonder what went on there, as well as the earlier years at PSU, and why nobody during that time has stepped up and incriminated him. Too embarrassed, maybe, but you know it went on.

Well whaddya know.......

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Three men have told investigators that Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State defensive coordinator recently convicted of 45 counts of child sex abuse, molested them in the 1970s and 1980s, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pa., has reported, citing sources close to the case.

None of Sandusky's 10 previously known victims had predated the 1990s, and in his report released Thursday, former FBI director Louis Freeh said his review for Penn State's board of trustees had not found evidence predating the '90s.

One of the three new accusers says he was abused in the early 1970s, the report says. Sandusky's defense had argued in his trial that a person doesn't become a pedophile in his or her 50s. Sandusky turned 68 in January.

[BAMAWV]

I posted on another PSU thread:

Interesting article that gets into the edges of an area of concern I have had for some time.  I believe the cast of characters that had long standing knowledge of Sandusky's lust for boys goes far deeper than 4 administrators. Members of the press for one, with close ties to the football program undoubtedly heard rumors or saw things that should have raised direct investigating. Team members over the years have seen suspicious activity but failed to bring it to someone of authority. Neighbors of Sandusky, the Second Mile Folks, parents of kids that were friends with victims... I'll bet this runs deep into Happy Valley and there are not enough fingers pointing blame.

To state this in simple terms, the football program has been sanctioned enough. But if they want to really clean house, get ALL the INDIVIDUALS that were probably telling Sandusky jokes 5 or 10 years ago. I guarantee more people knew than just the inner circle of the Athletic Department. Get them all and drag them before a judge. This will do more to right a wrong then punishing the fans and players (current) that had nothing to do with this.

Have I missed something? What sanctions have the football program received?

 

I've been laughing at you and another guy trying to drag the NCAA into this all along, while it is clearly a criminal/civil matter. Piling on a little? What NCAA rules were violated and what NCAA sanctions would be worse than jail sentences, your legendary coach being put to sleep, and your program being the laughing stock of the entire country?

A jail sentence is not an NCAA sanction, in case you don't know that. Let's see, the footballcoach knew about child rape and did not report it, some of the child rapes occurred in the footballcomplex, the guy doing the child rapes was a current and former footballcoach, the Athletic Directorand university President covered up for the sake of the footballcoach and program. Gosh, I just don't see how football is involved in any way. And they definitely had institutional control over the footballprogram, didn't they? Yeah, we should be more humane to the child rapist and those who covered for him and not pile on, right? By the way, you still have not told me what NCAA sanctions they had suffered. You brought up the subject, not me.



 

I may have misspoke by using the term sanction (and you know this, MD) but the rest of the paragraph clears it up.  My point, --the one made by my ENTIRE post clearly indicates I feel the need to punish those responsible and those with knowledge of the crimes that didn't come forward should be paramount, and punishing the ones that didn't have anything to do with it should be secondary. Don't try to slide me into the child rapist coddling crowd. I've made 40 posts (or so) on the subject and not one indicates anything short of crucifying anyone that would harm a child. 

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