How many championships should we claim??

[Chechem]

... if for no other reason , just to pizz off all the haters   

I'm agreeing with X.  Let's just keep claiming 16 for spite!!

 

[Catch Prothro]

The AP Poll Championships Lists the most Championships like this:

Alabama 10
Notre Dame 8
Oklahoma 7
Miami 5
Ohio State 5
USC 5
Nebraska 4
Minnesota 4

4/8 of the Notre Dame "championships" happened during the 40s. 

[pmull]

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I think the "selectors" were just a variety of magazines back in that time.  I personally have no problem with NOT counting the 41 championship.  Bama didn't win their conference that year, Mississippi State did and Bama finished in 3rd place.  Also, Minnesota had the best overall record as far as I could tell but didn't play in a bowl game. I think at this point I would be fine with just counting 15.  I do feel that Bama got beat out of the '66 championship but I wouldn't claim it even so...

Good point about 1966.  Alabama was the only undefeated, untied team in America.
Notre Dame played for a 10-10 tie (ran out the clock while tied) with Michigan State, and the polls picked ND.  Neither ND or MSU went to a bowl game.  That sucked.  Anyone too young to remember should read about it.  Alabama had a dominant defense that year (6 shutouts), and Kenny Stabler was the QB.  We deserved that one!!

In 1966 we were the only undefeated, untied team we were also the two time defending Champion having won tiles in 64 and 65. We beat a good Nebraska team 34-7 in the Sugar Bowl. Bama fatigue was going on in the 60's, 70's and early 80's just like it is today. The pollsters were not going to let a southern team win it 3 years in a row which had never been done before and still has not been done today.

[XBAMA]

 

and tell em' we even win Championships in Spanish  Click here for link

[XBAMA]

tell em' "don't tug on Superman's cape"   

[Marshal Dillon]

The AP Poll Championships Lists the most Championships like this:

Alabama 10
Notre Dame 8
Oklahoma 7
Miami 5
Ohio State 5
USC 5
Nebraska 4
Minnesota 4

4/8 of the Notre Dame "championships" happened during the 40s.  

Well, Mr Smarty Pants, Notre Dame played a ferocious schedule in 1943, playing football powers Iowa Pre-Flight (beat them 14-13), Great Lakes Navy (lost 19-14), plus beat Army, Navy, Georgia Tech, & other titans of college football.

In 1946 ND was 8-0-1 beating mighty Navy (1-9), Pitt (3-5-1), Purdue (2-6-1), Northwestern (4-4-1), Tulane (3-7), Iowa (5-4), USC (6-4), Illinois (8-2), & tying Army (9-0-1). The combined record of their opponents was 41-40-4. No doubt the toughest schedule in the country.

In 1947, ND played a truly ferocious schedule going 8-0-1 while playing teams with a combined record of   29-47-6 for the year.

In 1949, ND was 10-0 & played a schedule which might have been the toughest ever on college football history, with a combined record of 45-46-4, just awesome.

Now, do you have any doubt about these National Championships after being properly informed of the greatness of Notre Dame?




 

[Catch Prothro]

The AP Poll Championships Lists the most Championships like this:

Alabama 10
Notre Dame 8
Oklahoma 7
Miami 5
Ohio State 5
USC 5
Nebraska 4
Minnesota 4

4/8 of the Notre Dame "championships" happened during the 40s.  

Well, Mr Smarty Pants, Notre Dame played a ferocious schedule in 1943, playing football powers Iowa Pre-Flight (beat them 14-13), Great Lakes Navy (lost 19-14), plus beat Army, Navy, Georgia Tech, & other titans of college football.

In 1946 ND was 8-0-1 beating mighty Navy (1-9), Pitt (3-5-1), Purdue (2-6-1), Northwestern (4-4-1), Tulane (3-7), Iowa (5-4), USC (6-4), Illinois (8-2), & tying Army (9-0-1). The combined record of their opponents was 41-40-4. No doubt the toughest schedule in the country.

In 1947, ND played a truly ferocious schedule going 8-0-1 while playing teams with a combined record of   29-47-6 for the year.

In 1949, ND was 10-0 & played a schedule which might have been the toughest ever on college football history, with a combined record of 45-46-4, just awesome.

Now, do you have any doubt about these National Championships after being properly informed of the greatness of Notre Dame?

It appears ND's formula for success in the 40s, play a weak schedule with no bowl game and be the press darling, isn't going to work in the playoff era. 

I suppose they might have a chance if another world war breaks out and depletes rosters.   

[Chechem]

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It appears ND's formula for success in the 40s, play a weak schedule with no bowl game and be the press darling, isn't going to work in the playoff era. 

I suppose they might have a chance if another world war breaks out and depletes rosters.   

No, it appears they've spent their energy on getting into the playoffs by playing a weak schedule and not winning a conference championship.

 

[carl childers]

I think the only Bama championship that has to be discounted is 1941. The pre-poll ones to me are legitimate. 1925 was ground-breaking - a Southern team who nobody believed should be on the same field as Washington beat them. In regards to 1973, UPI voted on the NC before the bowls - one of the two legitimate polls everyone recognized, so I definitely count it.

[Marshal Dillon]

I think the only Bama championship that has to be discounted is 1941. The pre-poll ones to me are legitimate. 1925 was ground-breaking - a Southern team who nobody believed should be on the same field as Washington beat them. In regards to 1973, UPI voted on the NC before the bowls - one of the two legitimate polls everyone recognized, so I definitely count it.

Are Princeton's 17 National Championships legitimate, picked by the same organization that voted for Alabama in the 1920's & 30's?



 

[SUPERCOACH]

I think the only Bama championship that has to be discounted is 1941. The pre-poll ones to me are legitimate. 1925 was ground-breaking - a Southern team who nobody believed should be on the same field as Washington beat them. In regards to 1973, UPI voted on the NC before the bowls - one of the two legitimate polls everyone recognized, so I definitely count it.

Are Princeton's 17 National Championships legitimate, picked by the same organization that voted for Alabama in the 1920's & 30's?



 

I don't know anything about Princeton, but I do know this:  football was played a long time before they started having polls.  So, are we supposed to just ignore the first 50 years or so of the sport because the AP didn't take a poll?  They played, and somebody had the best team.

I don't have any issue with the Rose Bowl victories.  I have researched this before and at one time had several newspaper clippings proclaiming Alabama as national champions after those games.  It seemed to be a consensus at the time.

I would not claim '41 if it were up to me.  73 and 66 seem to even each other out, so I guess I would claim 15, since 73 was official.

[2Stater]

I think the only Bama championship that has to be discounted is 1941. The pre-poll ones to me are legitimate. 1925 was ground-breaking - a Southern team who nobody believed should be on the same field as Washington beat them. In regards to 1973, UPI voted on the NC before the bowls - one of the two legitimate polls everyone recognized, so I definitely count it.

^^^This, completely. Everyone in the country knew that Bama was the best team in the nation in 1966. That was a complete conspiracy by the poll voters that year. IMO, that should replace the 1941 NC. And what about the 1977 team. We beat the socks off of Ohio St, but the media darlings leapfrogged ND over us when they beat #1 Texas.

I'm good with 16 until next year.

[Marshal Dillon]

I think the only Bama championship that has to be discounted is 1941. The pre-poll ones to me are legitimate. 1925 was ground-breaking - a Southern team who nobody believed should be on the same field as Washington beat them. In regards to 1973, UPI voted on the NC before the bowls - one of the two legitimate polls everyone recognized, so I definitely count it.

Are Princeton's 17 National Championships legitimate, picked by the same organization that voted for Alabama in the 1920's & 30's?



 

I don't know anything about Princeton, but I do know this:  football was played a long time before they started having polls.  So, are we supposed to just ignore the first 50 years or so of the sport because the AP didn't take a poll?  They played, and somebody had the best team.

I don't have any issue with the Rose Bowl victories.  I have researched this before and at one time had several newspaper clippings proclaiming Alabama as national champions after those games.  It seemed to be a consensus at the time.

I would not claim '41 if it were up to me.  73 and 66 seem to even each other out, so I guess I would claim 15, since 73 was official.

Do we cheapen Alabama's accomplishments if we accept the 17 NC's each by Yale & Princeton, or the 4 in-a-row by Michigan? We can't have it both ways. Just wondering.


 

[Chechem]

There were numerous "selectors" who named national champions from the 1870s to the 1920s: Billingsley Report, National Championship Foundation, Parke H. Davis, Helms Athletic Foundation, Houlgate System, Jeff Sagarin, Boand System, College Football Researchers Association, Dickinson System, and others.  Many times they disagreed on the champion.  Click here for link

The fact that they didn't agree on the champion each year doesn't mean there shouldn't have been a champion.  Each had its own system of determining the 'best'.  The fact that they disagreed doesn't mean we shouldn't have a champion, nor does it mean a team voted as champion shouldn't accept it.  Should we only recognize championships of the early years when the "selectors" were unanimous? 

Further, having a champion named when only 20-30 teams fielded teams isn't the same as giving everyone a trophy.  Those early teams had representatives deemed 'best', despite being best of 20-30 (instead of today's 128).  Judge those teams by their records and opponents of the time, not by their records and opponents of today.

[2Stater]

Whatever is claimed as a number only matters to us. Alabama is the gold standard of college football, recognized by all. 

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