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Title: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: hscoach on November 28, 2011, 07:56:17 PM What do you think the voters should take into consideration? Also, what if a voter leaves one of the top players off his ballot, should it be thrown out? Should they have to justify their vote?
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 28, 2011, 08:18:34 PM Without going to the Heisman site and digging out their definition, I think the player that contributes the most to his teams success should be a candidate. But first you must have TEAM success. His conduct and character on and OFF the field should be a large factor.
Leaving TR off a AL ballot in order to make a voter's ballot count more is wrong. We are talking about 15-20 years of hard work with these kids, not some voter's disappointment that the Pac12 or Big10 isn't in the running for a NC again. The vote are made public but they should be made MORE public than they are. As it is, you must do some digging to see how people voted. Bama gives some extra attention to the Heisman and with HTWMI and MFBATR they gave some extra PR. But nothing like I've seen other schools do for their candidates. I've seen campaigns, sometimes going back to last years bowls, hyping their player. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: 2Stater on November 28, 2011, 08:21:42 PM What do you think the voters should take into consideration? Also, what if a voter leaves one of the top players off his ballot, should it be thrown out? Should they have to justify their vote? I think they should go by the poll we've been voting on every day. :D Actually, I think the major consideration should be what the player has done for his team. I think Luck is a very talented QB and may well be a #1 pick in the draft. But Heisman-wise, he plays in the conference with the worst defensive teams. Same situation with RGIII, poor defensive teams in the big 12. I actually would put Montee Ball ahead of those two because the Big 10 plays better "D" than those 2 conferences. Then there's Trent, taking Bama to the BCSNCG and is an incredible talent playing against the best defensive conference in the country. Also, as much as I don't like the guy personnally, I would have given Tyrann Mathieu a great deal of consideration for what he's done for LSU had it not been for his drug suspension. As for someone being left off of a voter's ballot, I would say keep it if he is an authentic voter for the Heisman. JMHO. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: Jamos on November 28, 2011, 08:41:15 PM The first think I look at is how good is the competition that this player is playing against. It's a big difference in a players results when that player is looking at a top ranked defense everyweek.
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: hscoach on November 28, 2011, 08:56:10 PM Should they change who gets to vote?
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: 2Stater on November 28, 2011, 09:01:06 PM Should they change who gets to vote? I think if a voter shows obvious constant bias, that voter should be replaced, as long as the rules committee makes it policy. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: TheVarsity on November 28, 2011, 09:08:16 PM I think all of you have hit the nail on the head.
Performance, Character, Opponents (Defensive Strength), and Contribution to the team. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: SUPERCOACH on November 28, 2011, 09:18:32 PM The only thing I would add is that I think professional athletes, icons, and entertainers should be disqualified.
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 28, 2011, 09:23:38 PM The only thing I would add is that I think professional athletes, icons, and entertainers should be disqualified. I always thought giving former winners (HTWMI) a vote was a nice touch. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 28, 2011, 09:28:36 PM We (Bama Alumni Assc) had a roast for Mel Allen in the Downtown Athletic Club. IDK if winning the Heisman includes a lifelong membership, sorta like the green jacket, but it would be a real nice bonus.
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: Jamos on November 28, 2011, 09:31:07 PM Should they change who gets to vote? I think if a voter shows obvious constant bias, that voter should be replaced, as long as the rules committee makes it policy. This bias is what screws everything up. Gary Danielson touched on this very thing at the end of the Bama/Auburn game Saturday. When there is a clear choice of two players that has distanced themselves from the others say, Richardson and Luck and someone would vote Richardson first and Luck dead last, that is wrong. All of the ballots should be checked and those that do this sort of thing should never be allowed to vote again. Maybe they should vote for just one player rather than all of them. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: 2Stater on November 28, 2011, 09:34:16 PM Should they change who gets to vote? I think if a voter shows obvious constant bias, that voter should be replaced, as long as the rules committee makes it policy. This bias is what screws everything up. Gary Danielson touched on this very thing at the end of the Bama/Auburn game Saturday. When there is a clear choice of two players that has distanced themselves from the others say, Richardson and Luck and someone would vote Richardson first and Luck dead last, that is wrong. All of the ballots should be checked and those that do this sort of thing should never be allowed to vote again. Maybe they should vote for just one player rather than all of them. J, did you peek at my ballot? :D Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: XBAMA on November 28, 2011, 09:38:20 PM I'm with Jamos , we all know that there are people voting that shouldn't be .
just need to see how bad it shows and cull the non-keepers . Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: Jamos on November 28, 2011, 09:40:48 PM Should they change who gets to vote? I think if a voter shows obvious constant bias, that voter should be replaced, as long as the rules committee makes it policy. This bias is what screws everything up. Gary Danielson touched on this very thing at the end of the Bama/Auburn game Saturday. When there is a clear choice of two players that has distanced themselves from the others say, Richardson and Luck and someone would vote Richardson first and Luck dead last, that is wrong. All of the ballots should be checked and those that do this sort of thing should never be allowed to vote again. Maybe they should vote for just one player rather than all of them. J, did you peek at my ballot? :D Nope, should I though? :clap: :lol: Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 28, 2011, 09:56:32 PM For Heisman voting purposes, the nation is divided into six regions—each of which get 145 votes. Put another way, each region gets exactly 16.67 percent of the votes. However, each region does not constitute an even one-sixth of the population. Three regions (Far West, Midwest, and Mid-Atlantic) have larger populations than that – and three have less (Northeast, South, and Southwest). In fact, the Far West has the greatest population at 21.1% of the country and the Northeast has the least – 11.9%. (WIKIPEDIA)
One quick mention--the Heisman is an award given by the Downtown Athletic Club, a private social club. Nothing to do with the NCAA. I imagine their members can vote to change anything, at any time. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on November 28, 2011, 10:15:43 PM Quote College football needs players like Trent Richardson! Not only a huge asset to Alabama, but a larger contributor to all of college football! What's not to like about TR? With all the crap that has gone on during this past year concerning college football programs with on and off field disasters, TR has provided the sport a much needed role model athlete being a humble, wholesome, young individual. Same can be said about the others in the Heisman trophy contest! Message to Kids!. Be like Trent. Be like Trent! Be Like Trent! One thing to think about this years voting for "Heisman Trophy Winner" is how the different regions of the country breakdown when they cast their ballots. Out on the West "left" coast, voters will be split on their ballots. Matt Barkley USCw and Stanford's Andrew Luck will probably split and get equal shares of the numbers cast. In the BIG12 voters will vote heavy on RGIII because they haven't watched any defense lately. In the Mid-West, voters in B1G-TEN region of the country are all about Monte Ball! That leaves the Northeast ( huge Heisman Trophy voter population) Mid- Atlantic and Eastern Seaboard voters plus the SEC region of country to cast their votes for the best Heisman Trophy Candidate in the country. If ballot casters are honest, they have only one way to vote and that should matter to them, a vote is for TR! Also borderline fencesitters from new SEC territory states of Texas (TAM) and Missouri Tigers may come arround and realize that the SEC is best college football conference and has the best MVP in the NCAA in MFBATR!!! JMHO! (http://www.tideweeklyanalysis.com/Data/Sites/1/images/trent_ole.jpg) Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 28, 2011, 10:24:51 PM Quote College football needs players like Trent Richardson! Not only a huge asset to Alabama, but a larger contributor to all of college football! What's not to like about TR? With all the crap that has gone on during this past year concerning college football programs with on and off field disasters, TR has provided the sport a much needed role model athlete being a humble, wholesome, young individual. Same can be said about the others in the Heisman trophy contest! Message to Kids!. Be like Trent. Be like Trent! Be Like Trent! One thing to think about this years voting for "Heisman Trophy Winner" is how the different regions of the country breakdown when they cast their ballots. Out on the West "left" coast, voters will be split on their ballots. Matt Barkley USCw and Stanford's Andrew Luck will probably split and get equal shares of the numbers cast. In the BIG12 voters will vote heavy on RGIII because they haven't watched any defense lately. In the Mid-West, voters in B1G-TEN region of the country are all about Monte Ball! That leaves the Northeast ( huge Heisman Trophy voter population) Mid- Atlantic and Eastern Seaboard voters plus the SEC region of country to cast their votes for the best Heisman Trophy Candidate in the country. If ballot casters are honest, they have only one way to vote and that should matter to them, a vote is for TR! Also borderline fencesitters from new SEC territory states of Texas (TAM) and Missouri Tigers may come arround and realize that the SEC is best college football conference and has the best MVP in the NCAA in MFBATR!!! JMHO! (http://www.tideweeklyanalysis.com/Data/Sites/1/images/trent_ole.jpg) Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: ricky023 on November 28, 2011, 10:31:30 PM #+, man I give this to you all for such a discussion and breakdown. My compliments. RTR!
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on November 29, 2011, 07:46:23 AM http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/cory_mccartney/11/28/heisman-watch/index.html
SI Heisman Watch With one week to go, Richardson the player to beat for Heisman Quote [This has become one of the tightest fields in recent memory. You could make the case for more than a half dozen players not just making it to New York, but also winning the Heisman Trophy. But with one week remaining, who should be in the driver's seat? And what should it be based on? A player's value to their team? Statistics? Preseason hype? They'll all play a part. But there's another determining factor at play, and it is those three letters that we all seem to loathe: B-C-S. Whether it's a conscious decision, or simply voters following the teams that are directing the season's storylines, the BCS has become key in not just deciding the winner, but the rest of the voting order as well. In the last 12 years, the Heisman recipient has played in a BCS game 11 times and in that span BCS-bound players have claimed at least two of the top three spots in the final voting a whopping 10 times. GALLERY: Who's topping the Watchman's list after Week 13? The fact is it took a history-making season and a matchup of title game participants who had no clear contender for Tim Tebow to buck the trend and win in 2007. That's not the case this season. 1. RB Trent Richardson, Alabama, Jr. Last week: 27 rushes for 203 yards; one reception for five yards and one TD in 42-14 win over Auburn. Season (12 games): 263 rushes for 1,583 yards and 20 TDs; 27 receptions for 327 yards and three TDs; three kick returns for 66 yards. He left voters with a statement game as he vies to become the SEC's third straight winner. The junior ran roughshod on the Crimson Tide's rival, torching Auburn for a career-high 203 yards, which was the most yards by a 'Bama back since Mark Ingram in 2009, and it was also his ninth 100-yard game of the year, which ties Ingram from that year. Richardson doesn't lead the nation in rushing yards or TDs, and his yardage would be the lowest by any Heisman-winning back since Archie Griffin's 1,450 in 1975, but you can argue no one has faced a more daunting schedule. He has seen seven defenses ranked in the top 50 -- Wisconsin's Montee Ball is second on this list with five -- and he's put his team in position to play for the BCS title. Next up: Season complete Edited by SUPERCOACH: We need to be careful and not copy too much of the article or we are violating copyright laws. Thanks. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: Jamos on November 29, 2011, 08:22:38 AM Quote College football needs players like Trent Richardson! Not only a huge asset to Alabama, but a larger contributor to all of college football! What's not to like about TR? With all the crap that has gone on during this past year concerning college football programs with on and off field disasters, TR has provided the sport a much needed role model athlete being a humble, wholesome, young individual. Same can be said about the others in the Heisman trophy contest! Message to Kids!. Be like Trent. Be like Trent! Be Like Trent! One thing to think about this years voting for "Heisman Trophy Winner" is how the different regions of the country breakdown when they cast their ballots. Out on the West "left" coast, voters will be split on their ballots. Matt Barkley USCw and Stanford's Andrew Luck will probably split and get equal shares of the numbers cast. In the BIG12 voters will vote heavy on RGIII because they haven't watched any defense lately. In the Mid-West, voters in B1G-TEN region of the country are all about Monte Ball! That leaves the Northeast ( huge Heisman Trophy voter population) Mid- Atlantic and Eastern Seaboard voters plus the SEC region of country to cast their votes for the best Heisman Trophy Candidate in the country. If ballot casters are honest, they have only one way to vote and that should matter to them, a vote is for TR! Also borderline fencesitters from new SEC territory states of Texas (TAM) and Missouri Tigers may come arround and realize that the SEC is best college football conference and has the best MVP in the NCAA in MFBATR!!! JMHO! (http://www.tideweeklyanalysis.com/Data/Sites/1/images/trent_ole.jpg) Good post!! #+ Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: Coach Hank Crisp on November 29, 2011, 02:39:12 PM http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/tag?name=heisman-watch-112911
Quote SEC Heisman watch: Week 14 By Edward Aschoff The voters will be casting their ballots soon, so here's what it looks like in the SEC: UPDATE: we added Tyrann Mathieu. Last minute deliberation has Mathieu back in the race. Will he inch closer nationally after this weekend? 1. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: Richardson had one last chance to make his Heisman statement and he definitely delivered. In front of a national audience against Auburn in the Iron Bowl, Richardson rushed for a career-best 203 yards and caught a touchdown pass. He even had yet another Heisman-like run when he shook off a handful defenders before cutting from the left sideline up to the right for a 57-yard run. There were times when he slid past or ran through Auburn defenders, and then there were a few runs where he carried a group of Tigers a few extra yards just to make a point. Richardson finished the regular season leading the SEC with 1,583 rushing yards and 20 touchdowns on the ground. Against SEC opponents he averaged 136 rushing yards a game and had 10 touchdowns. Richardson enters championship week as a legit front-runner in the Heisman race. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 29, 2011, 04:05:32 PM Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe.
Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before. While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: 2Stater on November 29, 2011, 04:15:47 PM Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe. Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before. While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country. IDK, Matt Millen really knows football. Look what he did for the Detroit Li.......oh, wait, nevermind. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 29, 2011, 04:22:26 PM Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe. Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before. While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country. IDK, Matt Millen really knows football. Look what he did for the Detroit Li.......oh, wait, nevermind. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: 2Stater on November 29, 2011, 04:42:45 PM Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe. Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before. While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country. IDK, Matt Millen really knows football. Look what he did for the Detroit Li.......oh, wait, nevermind. He knows football. He just wouldn't recognize talent if it bit him in the face. :lol: Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 29, 2011, 05:34:42 PM Juggle the statistics all you want. But if you do a side by side comparison of MFBATR's highlight reel with any other player-- the "jaw dropping" phenomena of an athlete being a man against boys, should be the deciding factor. The other variables, --unquestioned character, team success, etc.-- are lagniappe. ESPN's Mike Bellotti is a former Oregon AD and Coach. He picked TR. Maybe there is a crack in the west coast armor.Andrew Luck has excellent pedigree, impressive stats, and has had great success against second tier defenses. But the "WOW" factor is not there with AL,--we've seen it all before. While typing this, ESPN's Matt Millen just picked AL. His reasoning was that Andrew Luck has had to win while surrounded by marginal teammates. He has had to do it on his own to win with Stanford. My rebuttal to that is if his team is marginal, and leading the PAC12, how "marginal" has his opposition been? Compare this to BATR's performance every week, against the very best defenses in the country. Incidently, Bellotti picked Bama to be in the BCSNCG and BATR for Heisman. He made great, well stated arguments for both. I'm a fan. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: 2Stater on November 29, 2011, 06:22:28 PM From Al.com.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/11/tides_trent_richardson_now_app.html I just wonder how some of the voters feel about a 3rd straight player from the State of Alabama winning the Heisman. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: hscoach on November 29, 2011, 06:39:39 PM AL played against less than spectatular defenses. He does not get hit like TR does. TR is hit, or hits someone almost every play he is in the game. Also, you have to give a big plus when you look at the yards after contact.
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 30, 2011, 05:28:53 AM Quote Shaw believes a phrase from the Heisman Trust's mission statement -- "the pursuit of excellence with integrity" -- defines Luck best. "I think there are a lot of voters, and some of them I know, who take that line very seriously," Shaw said. "When you become the Heisman Trophy winner, you enter an exclusive club. And these guys, they get together every year and they look at each other, and they know it's an exclusive club. They think in those terms. They want somebody who can represent college football and represent the Heisman name the right way. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16283994/stanfords-shaw-goes-all-out-to-push-luck-for-heisman Sounds racist to me. >:( Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: SUPERCOACH on November 30, 2011, 01:20:10 PM Quote Shaw believes a phrase from the Heisman Trust's mission statement -- "the pursuit of excellence with integrity" -- defines Luck best. "I think there are a lot of voters, and some of them I know, who take that line very seriously," Shaw said. "When you become the Heisman Trophy winner, you enter an exclusive club. And these guys, they get together every year and they look at each other, and they know it's an exclusive club. They think in those terms. They want somebody who can represent college football and represent the Heisman name the right way. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16283994/stanfords-shaw-goes-all-out-to-push-luck-for-heisman Sounds racist to me. >:( They weren't concerned about that last year, now were they? Besides that, Trent has just as much integrity, if not more, than all of the other candidates. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: TheVarsity on November 30, 2011, 02:21:16 PM From Al.com. http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/11/tides_trent_richardson_now_app.html I just wonder how some of the voters feel about a 3rd straight player from the State of Alabama winning the Heisman. I think this will be one of the biggest reasons why some will not vote for Trent. What a shame to let political agendas get in the way on how some vote. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: NancyLovesBama on November 30, 2011, 09:25:47 PM I read ballots have to be in by December 5, 2011. It would be hard for me to compare a QB to RB. I hope they take the next step between Luck and Trent and consider the competition they played against and if they do so, I feel Trent will win most outstanding college football player. That is my wish for Trent. :-*
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 30, 2011, 09:37:37 PM Quote Shaw believes a phrase from the Heisman Trust's mission statement -- "the pursuit of excellence with integrity" -- defines Luck best. "I think there are a lot of voters, and some of them I know, who take that line very seriously," Shaw said. "When you become the Heisman Trophy winner, you enter an exclusive club. And these guys, they get together every year and they look at each other, and they know it's an exclusive club. They think in those terms. They want somebody who can represent college football and represent the Heisman name the right way. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16283994/stanfords-shaw-goes-all-out-to-push-luck-for-heisman Sounds racist to me. >:( They weren't concerned about that last year, now were they? Besides that, Trent has just as much integrity, if not more, than all of the other candidates. >:( >:( >:( Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: 2Stater on November 30, 2011, 09:59:17 PM Quote Shaw believes a phrase from the Heisman Trust's mission statement -- "the pursuit of excellence with integrity" -- defines Luck best. "I think there are a lot of voters, and some of them I know, who take that line very seriously," Shaw said. "When you become the Heisman Trophy winner, you enter an exclusive club. And these guys, they get together every year and they look at each other, and they know it's an exclusive club. They think in those terms. They want somebody who can represent college football and represent the Heisman name the right way. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16283994/stanfords-shaw-goes-all-out-to-push-luck-for-heisman Sounds racist to me. >:( They weren't concerned about that last year, now were they? Besides that, Trent has just as much integrity, if not more, than all of the other candidates. >:( >:( >:( You're sweating this too much, WV. The voters firmly have it embedded in their brain, the ear splitting grin that Trent will display upon hearing the news of his winning the Heisman. Andrew Luck has acne. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 30, 2011, 10:07:10 PM Quote Shaw believes a phrase from the Heisman Trust's mission statement -- "the pursuit of excellence with integrity" -- defines Luck best. "I think there are a lot of voters, and some of them I know, who take that line very seriously," Shaw said. "When you become the Heisman Trophy winner, you enter an exclusive club. And these guys, they get together every year and they look at each other, and they know it's an exclusive club. They think in those terms. They want somebody who can represent college football and represent the Heisman name the right way. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16283994/stanfords-shaw-goes-all-out-to-push-luck-for-heisman Sounds racist to me. >:( They weren't concerned about that last year, now were they? Besides that, Trent has just as much integrity, if not more, than all of the other candidates. Quote My point-- Stanford University has now gone public saying they feel Quote Is no one else "on the warpath" enraged by this? Where is bamalum67 when we need him?Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: XBAMA on November 30, 2011, 10:09:44 PM they have a radio spot on the sports station here , a commercial of sorts ...
it says something to the effect of ... " three months ago who had ever heard of David Shaw , nobody , that's who" if they let scam in last year ? then Trent should be president of their little exclusive crap pile ! Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 30, 2011, 10:21:50 PM Quote Shaw believes a phrase from the Heisman Trust's mission statement -- "the pursuit of excellence with integrity" -- defines Luck best. "I think there are a lot of voters, and some of them I know, who take that line very seriously," Shaw said. "When you become the Heisman Trophy winner, you enter an exclusive club. And these guys, they get together every year and they look at each other, and they know it's an exclusive club. They think in those terms. They want somebody who can represent college football and represent the Heisman name the right way. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16283994/stanfords-shaw-goes-all-out-to-push-luck-for-heisman Sounds racist to me. >:( They weren't concerned about that last year, now were they? Besides that, Trent has just as much integrity, if not more, than all of the other candidates. Quote My point-- Stanford University has now gone public saying they feel Quote Is no one else "on the warpath" enraged by this? Where is bamalum67 when we need him?Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: NancyLovesBama on November 30, 2011, 10:48:03 PM For some reason I have never received a ballot. I remember last year someone stating the ballot only had most outstanding player. I do not even know if the person was being truefull, but I think they were trying to argue the case for Cam. If the pursuit of excellence with integrity is on ballot, it fits our Trent. I do not give a flying hoot what Shaw had to say.
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: SUPERCOACH on November 30, 2011, 11:00:45 PM Who is Shaw? Exactly.
Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 30, 2011, 11:09:41 PM For some reason I have never received a ballot. I remember last year someone stating the ballot only had most outstanding player. I do not even know if the person was being truefull, but I think they were trying to argue the case for Cam. If the pursuit of excellence with integrity is on ballot, it fits our Trent. I do not give a flying hoot what Shaw had to say. This is why you should care what Shaw has to say. This is an active national campaign by Stanford University to besmirch the reputation of fellow Crimson Tider. Their argument is unwinnable or less arguable if made by just the performances on the field. So they have decided the best way to gain separation is to put the white, rich kid side by side with the deep south black kid from the projects, and claim moral superiority on that alone. BTW, the voting by the general public is inconsequential in the equation. >:( >:( >:( Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: BAMAWV on November 30, 2011, 11:19:42 PM Who is Shaw? Exactly. David Shaw, Head Coach, Stanford UniversityImagine CNS going national with a "white kids can't play football" campaign. That only poor, black kids deserve recognition because upper class white kids have enough already. That AL should be ruled out because Archie Griffin and Earl Campbell don't want to hang around preppie white kids. This is not something OUR university would even consider. Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: NancyLovesBama on December 01, 2011, 09:08:09 AM For some reason I have never received a ballot. I remember last year someone stating the ballot only had most outstanding player. I do not even know if the person was being truefull, but I think they were trying to argue the case for Cam. If the pursuit of excellence with integrity is on ballot, it fits our Trent. I do not give a flying hoot what Shaw had to say. This is why you should care what Shaw has to say. This is an active national campaign by Stanford University to besmirch the reputation of fellow Crimson Tider. Their argument is unwinnable or less arguable if made by just the performances on the field. So they have decided the best way to gain separation is to put the white, rich kid side by side with the deep south black kid from the projects, and claim moral superiority on that alone. BTW, the voting by the general public is inconsequential in the equation. >:( >:( >:( Title: Re: What are all the factors in determining who wins the Heisman too you.. Post by: SUPERCOACH on December 01, 2011, 10:03:48 AM Who is Shaw? Exactly. David Shaw, Head Coach, Stanford UniversityImagine CNS going national with a "white kids can't play football" campaign. That only poor, black kids deserve recognition because upper class white kids have enough already. That AL should be ruled out because Archie Griffin and Earl Campbell don't want to hang around preppie white kids. This is not something OUR university would even consider. Isn't David Shaw a black man? |