Ex-President of Penn State Makes Pathetic Attempt to Save His Butt

[Marshal Dillon]

These PSU folks are despicable. I guess he thinks we will feel sorry for him and prevent him from being indicted.

Ousted Penn State University president Graham Spanier insisted that he wouldn’t have ignored child sexual-abuse complaints as the school’s top administrator because he was beaten repeatedly as a child by his father, his lawyer told The Associated Press on Monday.

Spanier received regular “disciplinary beatings” by his father as a teen, and had to have his nose straightened several times, lawyer Peter Vaira said. The abuse was never sexual, Vaira said.

 


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[ALTideUp]

That's a risky maneuver. If hard evidence emerges that he did know, he will be in a position of explaining why, given his personal history of abuse, did he knowing fail those young boys.

[Marshal Dillon]

That's a risky maneuver. If hard evidence emerges that he did know, he will be in a position of explaining why, given his personal history of abuse, did he knowing fail those young boys.

Excellent point, but right now he's desperate and will say anything.

[ALTideUp]

PS.

   MD, you should have done a steak bet with me about how this thing would end. My prediction of self-imposed program suspension was wide of the mark, especially the self-imposed part.

[Marshal Dillon]

PS.

   MD, you should have done a steak bet with me about how this thing would end. My prediction of self-imposed program suspension was wide of the mark, especially the self-imposed part.

I knew they wouldn't do that because they struggled to make a decision to remove the Paterno statue. PSU was still trying to live on the edge and have it both ways. Making a lot of talk but making very few actions. They really thought they would skate on serious sanctions. I think they thought the Big Ten would save their bacon.

 

[BAMAWV]

They still have enough directly involved/guilty parties (McQueery) running free to fill a PTA meeting while you fine folks focus on the NCAA lining their pockets.

 

[Marshal Dillon]

BAMAWV: You made this statement on a thread yesterday:

BTW, remember BAMAWV jumping up and down this time last year (and any time the PSU subject came up) because CJP and PSU were a bunch of worthless cheaters and rust belt trash. Dig up all the posts, of our posters saying what a classy, great man he was and how much everyone respected their program and student body. But let's be clear that I was ahead on the learning curve.

I remember you making a similar statement some time ago. Have you lived iin that area of Pennsylvania? What are you basing your statement on? Just wondering Thanks.

 

[Catch Prothro]

These PSU folks are despicable. I guess he thinks we will feel sorry for him and prevent him from being indicted.

Ousted Penn State University president Graham Spanier insisted that he wouldn’t have ignored child sexual-abuse complaints as the school’s top administrator because he was beaten repeatedly as a child by his father, his lawyer told The Associated Press on Monday.

Spanier received regular “disciplinary beatings” by his father as a teen, and had to have his nose straightened several times, lawyer Peter Vaira said. The abuse was never sexual, Vaira said.

 


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He has to know that he's next -- they've already indicted those working under him on this matter.  And yes, he's desperate.

[BAMAWV]

BAMAWV: You made this statement on a thread yesterday:

BTW, remember BAMAWV jumping up and down this time last year (and any time the PSU subject came up) because CJP and PSU were a bunch of worthless cheaters and rust belt trash. Dig up all the posts, of our posters saying what a classy, great man he was and how much everyone respected their program and student body. But let's be clear that I was ahead on the learning curve.

I remember you making a similar statement some time ago. Have you lived iin that area of Pennsylvania? What are you basing your statement on? Just wondering Thanks.

 

No PA personal experiences, except for going to BAMA games there. I've also been to a 76ers game-- but you are close. WVU has a long history of getting ripped off on calls by referees wearing a CJP locket on their neck (lol). Every since I waas a kid stories have floated about PSU and the referees, PSU recruiting fiascos, etc. So when an official, somehow related to Paterno or someone else on the team, called a BAMA TD out of the endzone when it was clearly the winning TD I was not surprised.

BTW, if you have noticed me changing gears and switching to a "enough is enough" policy on PSU there is a reason. I  have a close friend that happens to be a PSU grad. I have posted before on how he and I have a contest going between us, for the best seats/tickets in sports. This has led to a dozen or more luxury skybox seats (Yankees or Mets), 3rd base line or "feet on the dugout" tickets, etc. But Mark is in my opinion a great guy. He has always shown plenty of interest in the TIDE   and never said anything bad, other than the usual kidding around stuff that guys do. Mark has never raped anyone. Without having to ask, I'm sure he stands firmly against rape. I am also certain his disgust with rape goes "doubly" or "tripley" when it comes to young boys being the victims.

So I have struggled to try and play this out in my mind, as BAMA being accused in lieu of PSU. How would I feel should something similar occur in T-Town. You hear or see people say, "I can only imagine how I would feel if Bama..." but they really don't. Just the hatred (imagined) you would feel toward all the forum members. If it were Bama and not PSU, I think I would be thinking, "What gives you the right to even comment on a big-time program such as..." I thought the other day, again imagining Bama as the guilty school, of how pissed I would have been for CNS (CJP in the imagination exercise) to even comment on my ticket prices. But that is how I arrived at defending PSU. Because when you break it down, only 2 men have actually been punished, while scores of others had the knowledge of and opportunity to intervene. I am not interested in punishing my friend Mark. To the contrary, I want ALL the people that have put my friend Mark (not to mention the victims and their families), in this position, when all he is guilty of is loving his college and their football team.

I haven't called him since this story broke last fall.  He didn't call to congratulate our team on the NC, so he is obviously deeply affected. IDK what to say to him, so I'm playing a little defense (he likes defense too) on his behalf.

[Side note: This goes back to the fall when this story broke. I commented at the time, drawing attention to the time frame/number of years that this had been allowed to continue. The story here was on the Sandusky/McQueery incident but I had pointed to an article that I had posted on TS that had to do with an actual criminal charge that was later dismissed against Sandusky. So if some backwoods gumper from WV had prior knowledge of Sandusky's forays into the pants of little boys, then I gaurantee others in the athletic dept. and local media knew these heinous crimes were taking place.]

[Jamos]

WV, I agree totally that ALL parties knowingly involved with this should be tried as an accessary to the crime. I was one of those that had no idea that any of this was happening and due to the nature of the crime, felt it was hard to believe that any of it could have actually happened.

I also agree with you concerning the hurt of some of their fans, but not those who still want to sweep it under the rug and move on. At one point in time I felt Bama's program was very near where PSU is today with all of the rogues in the background doing the wrong things at will and no one was willing to stop them. Fortunately for Bama the rogues were eliminated and things got better for Bama but I agree with what you said yesterday, had PSU tried to clean this mess up long ago, things might be a lot different today.

I hate all of this happened for you and your friend, hopefully things will heal for the two of you.

[BAMAWV]

WV, I agree totally that ALL parties knowingly involved with this should be tried as an accessary to the crime. I was one of those that had no idea that any of this was happening and due to the nature of the crime, felt it was hard to believe that any of it could have actually happened.

I also agree with you concerning the hurt of some of their fans, but not those who still want to sweep it under the rug and move on. At one point in time I felt Bama's program was very near where PSU is today with all of the rogues in the background doing the wrong things at will and no one was willing to stop them. Fortunately for Bama the rogues were eliminated and things got better for Bama but I agree with what you said yesterday, had PSU tried to clean this mess up long ago, things might be a lot different today.

I hate all of this happened for you and your friend, hopefully things will heal for the two of you.

Thanks, Jamos. Let me add another thought. I realize that cramming PSU into a box is more important to most than doing anything to help heal the ones that actually experienced sexual predation. Since the NCAA sanctions completely ignore the victims and no one seems to care about punishing the majority of those involved this leaves these victims in a bad spot. The punishments levied by the NCAA against the football program will just make their friends and neighbors HATE these tortured souls. But at least the NCAA got their greedy hands on a years worth of PSU revenue.

[BAMAWV]

Additionally, the businesses of University Park have done nothing to deserve the economic downturn they are about to experience. These are the people that support the teams year round in many ways. I am not sure why they are being punished by the disassembling of the football team, but I am sure the NCAA can tell us.

[Marshal Dillon]

Additionally, the businesses of University Park have done nothing to deserve the economic downturn they are about to experience. These are the people that support the teams year round in many ways. I am not sure why they are being punished by the disassembling of the football team, but I am sure the NCAA can tell us.

That's the cost others must pay for the acts of others. When a man goes to prison, his wife and kids are left without his financial support, maybe even his parents and others. Does that mean we don't send him to prison, since his family will suffer? Of course not, the responsibility is on the convicted for doing his acts. You keep looking for a perfect solution or answer, there is none. Penn State had to be hammered to send a loud, clear message to all coaches and universities, especially university presidents. Reality is a cruel thing sometimes and there are no easy answers.

[ALTideUp]

That so many lives will be adversely affected by the NCAA sanctions is not an effect of the sanctions, it's a cause for them, the reason they are needed. That is to say, it's precisely because the football team has become so damned important to everyone that people chose to protect it instead of the children. The effect of the NCAA sanctions has to be making football less important, and that means people who fed off that cow are going to have to diversify, make some changes, attract academic conferences, sponsor art festivals, etc. to replace some of the lost business.

[XBAMA]

and that means people who fed off that cow are going to have to diversify, make some changes, attract academic conferences, sponsor art festivals, etc. to replace some of the lost business.

great idea ! also in conjunction , 
maybe start a clinic on the proper ways of recognizing  and reporting
child abuse of all kinds

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